Psssssssst More RW Fake News -Source of allegation vs. Sanders' wife says info was hearsay

[malaise]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/source-of-allegation-vs-sanders-wife-says-info-was-hearsay/ar-BBDGO9w?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartanntp
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A Republican lawyer who reported independent U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders and his wife to federal officials was passing on information he heard from a GOP lawmaker who said he didn't have direct knowledge of the allegations.

The lawyer, Brady Toensing, sent letters to the U.S. attorney for Vermont and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. alleging that Sen. Sanders pressured a bank to approve a loan to a now-closed college run by Sanders' wife.

The source of that information was Republican State Rep. Don Turner, the minority leader of the Vermont House.

Turner told WCAX-TV that friends at the bank described pressure from Sanders' office, but he says those friends didn't have direct knowledge of the negotiations. Turner says he told Toensing about it in May 2016, adding that he would not have brought it to the attention of federal investigators.
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Many DUers went along with this BS - but I mustn't fat shame scumbags.

[Chasstev365]

1. Yes because they still hate Bernie for Hillary not being president!

There is no doubt that the election was stolen and Hillary should rightfully be the 45th president. But, stop blaming it on Bernie Sanders!

[Cary]

28. It would be nice if we did t have circular firing squads.

Vote Democratic!

[mercuryblues]

62. this shit came out during

the primaries. It was just a little preview from republicans on what was in store if Sanders won. They were going to treat them the same as they have the Clinton's for decades. Trumped up charges with paid under the table witnesses.

Kudos to Clinton for not taking the bait.

[DonViejo]

2. This guy could easily be kicking sand on his story...

Let the investigation lead wherever and then we can deal with it.

[Wellstone ruled]

3. When this story broke,

absolutely void of back ground. Hunch was,was this some type of dirty trick sponsored by the Trump White House to take Bernie off the Stage in 2020? Seemed rather strange since Trump University Scandal Crap where a simple Bankruptcy put a end to Trump's failed business.

Sure seemed to be a different standard on reporting.

[mnmoderatedem]

4. the lawyer

Brady Toensing. Son of slimeballs Victoria Toensing and Joe DiGenova. Tells you what you need to know.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

29. It's hilarious to watch DUers flogging those slimebags' pet project.

Seriously, these people are patient zero in Clinton hate going back to the 90s all the way up to and including Benghazi.

Meh, who am I kidding. Some of the people flogging this story here are the same people who thought well known 1990s anti-Clinton ratfucker David Brock is a good guy to have on your campaign slinging mud. And some of these same same people said some of the worst thing about HRC in 2008 that has ever been said about HRC.

[demmiblue]

38. Mahalo, Hassin Bin Sober!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

40. Lol.

[hrmjustin]

50. Of course you this post funny.

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Oh you have courage when I can't respond you.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

55. What seems to be your problem with my post?

Who are you supposed to be again?

[SMC22307]

42. LOL

"I got past it!"

[QC]

45. LOL!

[demmiblue]

51. Except that it is the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Linking to the posts would get me a hide. You are free to use the search function.

[demmiblue]

53. It is not mocking, it is acknowledging the truth of said past statements.

Again, the truth hurts sometimes.

I am sorry that you are hurting. And, no, I am not being passive-aggressive.

[m-lekktor]

82. lol

[Vermijelli]

60. I couldn't believe what I was reading

When I was directed to some of the posts that were made here in 2008. Hillary Clinton's character was dragged through the mud in ways that would make some republicons blush. Saying 1/10th of that stuff now would get someone FFR'd instantly - and rightly so. Then there was the purposeful misspelling of and refusal to capitalize her name. That speaks to a special kind of loathing.

[R B Garr]

61. Gotta love all this newfound Clinton devotion

now that a few slings and arrows found a fresh target for a change.

[Agschmid]

5. Jane Sanders made a horrible financial decision.

That decision led to the schools closure, no doubt about it. But I don't think she did anything illegal... just stupid.

And yes this is probably just a right wing witch hunt.

[Trial_By_Fire]

8. Got proof?

[Agschmid]

11. Tons of it.

She as a president made a really bad land deal.

[emulatorloo]

12. That the school declared bankruptcy because of the debt they were burdened with.

Like poster above I believe Jane made an ambitious mistake by deciding to purchase that property, thereby exposing the school to more debt than they could handle. Hindsight is always 20/20.

Like poster above said, I sincerely beleive it was a mistake/serious error in judgement and that the FBI will clear her of any wrong doing.

[Agschmid]

17. Yup.

[NCTraveler]

6. Jane Sanders left them in ruins.

Bernie seems to have also been involved. There are known facts. Let see where it goes. The only thing we truly know is that Janes handling of the situation was incompetent at best.

Were talking about a pretty big deal. Her decision ended in the closing of a school and she is the tax preparer and council to a career politician.

I'm surprised people want to bring up and discus the incompetence she displayed.

And you are free to fat shame scumbags. That's your decision.

[Me.]

7. Lest We Forget

The kids who took out loans to attend that college and are now on the hook with nothing to show for it.

[karynnj]

13. Not true, when it closed there was an agreement with several local colleges

to take the kids who had not finished and - at the same tuition, let them complete their degree on time.

The college worked out a deal to get students accepted at other schools -- any of the state colleges, Champlain College, Green Mountain College or Marlboro College. Their credits will transfer and the tuition they currently pay honored, and they can graduate on time.

http://www.wcax.com/story/31984105/burlington-college-to-close-down

[NCTraveler]

14. As worded, they are actually correct.

If a student didn't want to transfer among a small group of schools, they were stuck with their loan. Still, when left in financial ruins, choices become limited.

[karynnj]

21. I don't know much about all the other choices, but the one I know anything about

is far better regarded and harder to get accepted to than Burlington College. Not to mention, the loans paid for the education they did receive. If they want they can obviously try to transfer to any college they want -- and that college will determine which credits to accept.

[NCTraveler]

23. Correct.

Though I'm not personally aware that the other colleges were more difficult to get into or what that has to do with a stundents possible inability to transfer. Some people can't simply pack up and go.

[karynnj]

32. I know that Champlain college was harder to get into than BC

I live in Burlington and have heard that from parents of kids. Champlain College was better rated when Burlington College was in business. Both Burlington College and Champlain College are in Burlington, which is physically a small city. they are not more than a few miles from each other at most.

Obviously, the kids at the college chose that college because it was the school they liked best that accepted them. My point was that the schools that have agreed to take their credits - keeping them on track to graduate at the same time are not inferior schools to BC.

[NCTraveler]

34. I don't recall referencing them as inferior. Nt

[emulatorloo]

15. That's great that Burlington College did right by them. Thanks for the link.

[Me.]

16. Thank Goodness For That

[Fluke a Snooker]

26. Hmmmm...I wonder what other presidential candidate had a college and screwed students?

Only this was not only provable, but as far as I know, still ongoing.

I only have two words to say to the scallywag... "TRUMP YOU!!"

[Me.]

33. Neither Is Right

And responsibility for what was done is due to all who lost out due to the ambition or greed of others

[Trial_By_Fire]

9. Got proof?

[NCTraveler]

10. Of what?

That she is the tax preparer and council to a career politician?

That the school was forced to shut due to her incompetence?

What part are you questioning?

[Me.]

19. Tax Preparer Who Has Yet To Release The Returns

Or did I miss it?

[karynnj]

18. More complicated than that

The college obtained accreditation under Sanders and was a very small college, with no room to grow or any housing for students. Long term, that was likely not sustainable. When the Catholic orphanage property became available, the plan was to buy the property, sell part of the land to developers and to grow the student body. Had BOTH of these things happened, this would have been the deal that helped the college make a huge jump that was needed to survive.

Sanders was pushed out within a year. He successors failed to make the real estate deal or appreciably grow the college. There is no way to know if Jane Sanders could have enabled the college to do either or both of these things. I agree that it was a gamble, but it may well be that a gamble was needed. She left in 2011 -- and the school failed in May 2016. Many decisions made in those 5 years would likely have been different.

Here was what the chair of the board said:

"I think it was ambitious, and a plan that would have had everything come together would have been fantastic. You know, kind of like Champlain was many years ago. Unfortunately, it didn't work because the drop in enrollment in small liberal arts institution in Vermont and around the country hurt us," said Bradley.

http://www.wcax.com/story/31984105/burlington-college-to-close-down

[NCTraveler]

20. It's actually very basic.

Not complicated in any way. That is highlighted in your link above.

[karynnj]

22. She left 5 years before it failed. Are you saying that had she stayed and made different decisions

that the outcome would be the same? Do you personally take responsibility for everything that happens 5 years after you handed a job over to someone else?

Why do I get the feeling that if something HRC started failed 5 years after she left office, you would not blame her?

[NCTraveler]

24. I have no clue what this has to do with HRC.

And yes, this is completely on Jane. Very few deny that. Not sure why cover should be given to such incompetence.

[emulatorloo]

43. She didn't "leave," she was let go by Burlington College

Kinda surprised you're engaged in such word-parsing and spin.

And "what-about-Hillaryism" as well?

Seems rather out of character for someone I've read and admired since 2004.

I guess I'll just assume someone's hijacked yr acct.

[Cha]

59. I know, right

[Me.]

25. More Bits

“In 2006, Sanders announced a $6 million plan to expand the campus. That plan never materialized. At the same time, faculty and students began to bridle at Sanders’ leadership style. In the four years since she had taken over, two dozen faculty and staff had left the tiny college. The Student Government Association in late 2008 described a “toxic and disruptive environment on campus.” Nearly half of the students and faculty members signed a petition demanding a meeting about the “crisis in leadership.” Even so, Sanders’ salary rose to $150,000 in 2009, according to college records, as tuition increased by $5,000, to $22,407 in 2011, and enrollment dropped to 156 students……..

“The state’s Educational and Health Buildings Finance Agency voted to issue $6.5 million in tax exempt bonds. People’s United Bank loaned Burlington College $6.5 million to buy the bonds. The Catholic church loaned the school $3.65 million in a second mortgage. To secure the loans, Sanders assured the bank and the church that the college had $5 million in likely pledges and $2.4 million in confirmed pledges, which she would be able to use to pay off the debt. And finally, the college received a $500,000 bridge loan from Anthony Pomerleau, a wealthy Burlington developer close with Bernie and Jane Sanders.”

“Burlington College ran into trouble almost immediately after the loan repayments were due. For the first fiscal year after the deal was signed, Jane Sanders signed documents that confirmed pledges of $1.2 million. But according to Burlington College financial records obtained by VTDigger, the college received only $279,000. Sanders and the trustees hoped that they could expand the student body and increase alumni donations. Instead, enrollment remained steady and the school didn’t come close to meeting fundraising goals.”

“To stave off bankruptcy, the college sold off pieces of its prime lake shore land to a local developer. Proceeds from the sales allowed the school to pay down some of the debt Jane Sanders had brought on in 2010. Yves Bradley, chairman of the board at the time, called the debt load “crushing.” (For her part, Sanders told Vermont Public Radio in August 2015 that the school “had a development plan in place when I left—it was in excellent financial condition.”)

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/22/bernie-sanders-jane-sanders-lawyer-bank-fraud-investigation-burlington-college-215297

[NCTraveler]

37. I can't see how it's complicated to understand.

Unless one is attempting to purposefully muddy the waters. This is so clear that any claims to the contrary seem to be personally motivated.

[Me.]

41. THese Quotes Stood Out To Me

"Even so, Sanders’ salary rose to $150,000 in 2009, according to college records, as tuition increased by $5,000, to $22,407 in 2011, and enrollment dropped to 156 students…….."

&quot For her part, Sanders told Vermont Public Radio in August 2015 that the school “had a development plan in place when I left—it was in excellent financial condition.”)"

[JI7]

57. maybe her salary rose because it was in excellent financial condition

[Fluke a Snooker]

27. "Trump University, Anyone?"

The Sanders' situation is a big nothing-hotdog compared to the King of all University Frauds... Trump U.

[Cary]

30. You mean Sanders is being smeared by right wing conspiracy theorists?

And you don't think Democrats should sow discord and discontent with right wing smears and lies?

Gee where have I heard that before?

[mythology]

31. Given the complete lack of relationship between the college and that body shaming is wrong

this mostly just seems like whining. It's really sad how many people here want to cling to the "right" to use childish insults.

[Expecting Rain]

35. That the Republican who filed the complaint heard the charges second-hand is irrelevant

Nor does it matter if they are Trumpists.

If there was nothing to go on but hearsay, and investigation would be OVER.

It's not over. Published reports show Jane Sanders filed false financial information to secure a loan. That's called bank fraud, and it is a Federal felony crime.

She is not off the hook, despite how some here hope to spin this.

She is in deep trouble.

[Trial_By_Fire]

39. Can you prove your statements?

"Published reports show Jane Sanders filed false financial information to secure a loan." - let's see the proof...

[Expecting Rain]

46. There are a myriad of articles.

Here is one:

https://vtdigger.org/2017/05/04/burlington-college-donor-says-never-signed-pledge/

[Trial_By_Fire]

47. That's not proof...

[hrmjustin]

48. Jane Sanders ran Burlington College into the ground.

The complaint may have come from a Trumper but how many investigations against gopers are started by Dem or Dem leaning organizations?

The point is we have enough sources that say she's under investigation and it is because of her own actions.

[Barack_America]

65. Did you also support the investigation into Hillary's emails?

Or are you selective in which right wing witch hunts you do and do not support?

Do you or do you not support the opening of investigations on Dem/Dem-friendly politicians based on GOP-pushed hearsay?

Seems to be a 'yes'?

[COLGATE4]

54. What's the relation between Brady Toensing

and infamous Republican hack Victoria Toensing - brother?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

56. Spawn.

Toensing is a partner in a law firm “which is headed by his mother Victoria Toensing and his stepfather Joseph DiGenova,” reported The VPO.org. Notes Politico: “His mother, Victoria Toensing, is one of the most committed conservative lawyers in Washington.”

[COLGATE4]

58. I figured they were related. This idiot is doubly damaged

being the spawn of Victoria and DiGenoa. The shit doesn't fall far from the bat.

[oberliner]

63. What's the connection between this story and your desire to make fun of fat people?

Why did you write:

"Many DUers went along with this BS - but I mustn't fat shame scumbags."

The relationship between those things is not clear from this post.

[seaglass]

64. That headline is misleading. The hearsay is the allegation against Bernie not against Jane.

The allegations against Jane have been documented. 3 donors have come forward stating that she overstated/misstated their contributions. Whether it was incompetence or fraud, who knows.

[PufPuf23]

66. If Sanders had been VP candidate rather than Kaine, HRC would have been POTUS now. nt

[NurseJackie]

67. LOL

[PufPuf23]

68. What is so funny? It is true. nt

[NurseJackie]

69. LOL! Stop it! You're killing me! ROFL!

[PufPuf23]

70. Seriously. What is the matter with you?

You would rather gaslight people and lose every level from POTUS to Statehouses than win elections with progressive and antiwar candidates?

What's up with that?

[NurseJackie]

72. LOL!

[PufPuf23]

74. I don't think Trump or the various things going about in the world are something to laugh about nor

reason to mock and laugh at other Democrats.

None of us are that perfect.

[NurseJackie]

75. LOL! (Actually, that's not what I find amusing.)

[PufPuf23]

77. What do you find amusing then?

I would like to understand.

[Orsino]

71. No evidence for that.

We can't say with any certainty what such a change would have meant in the overall race. I would have liked to have seen that happen, but even I won't try to say how the election would have turned out differently.

[PufPuf23]

76. Plenty of evidence but nothing is certain when estimating "What if"

HRC almost won with a fracture in the Democratic Party.

Sanders as the VP candidate would have done much to heal that rift.

Now we would be working within the Party towards a whole and leading the country rather than the train wreck that is Trump.

[Orsino]

78. We don't know, for instance, that Sanders on the ticket would have been a net positive.

There is no evidence for that.

And we never get to find out.

[PufPuf23]

81. Agree we will never know what could have been.

The people that voted for HRC would have still voted for HRC. I think we could take this as a given.

Sanders would have brought in more independents and those too far left / socialist than the center of the 2016 Democratic Party.

Many of the voters that voted 3rd party or did not vote for the Democratic Party would likely have voted Democratic for POTUS with Sanders as the VP candidate. Sanders was much better known and liked than Kaine. There would have been much excitgement generated.

It would have been interesting to se what would have come out of a good faith joining of HRC and Sanders as candidates.

Sanders may well have been unwilling to run as VP under HRC.

It would also be interesting to see what a good faith unification of the Democratic Party schism would have looked like with HRC as POTUS and Sanders as VP. I think it would have been much more creative and positive for more people than HRC / Kaine.

[Chevy]

79. Finally an honest Sanders supporter

who deals in facts and not cult obsession.

[Demsrule86]

73. You are misleading folks. This had to do with Sen.Sanders pushing the bank to loan money to

Mrs. Sanders land purchase for the college. This has nothing to do with the charge that Mrs. Sanders provided false information concerning donations on mortgage documents. That is a federal crime. The FBI is investigating and both Sanders have sought legal counsel as they should. I have misgivings from anything coming from the Republicans especially DiGenova and Toensing, but I think your condemnation of DU'ers reacting to this story is unfair...and sort of a continuation of the primary on your part.

[suffragette]

80. Reminding me of how the rightwing went after Maxine Waters

Back in the day.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8870637&mesg_id=8891462


https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8870637

Too many DUers went along with that, too, as I recall.