Trump Just Got Lost Walking To His Limo

[pirateshipdude]

In fact, were it not for Trump’s long history of cheating, lying, and race-baiting, dementia would be the most acceptable excuse for his erratic behavior, gold fish-like attention span, and apparent disinterest in his job.

Of course, Trump’s despicable behavior is far from new, and even as he appears to be suffering the affects of age combined with poor diet and no exercise, he remains a singularly unsympathetic figure.

Like him or hate him, we should all be able to agree that a man who gets lost on the way to the car — while standing at the car — should not be Commander-in-Chief.

[UTUSN]

1. K & Spread

[Stand and Fight]

2. Wow.

Sometimes stories with titles like this are little more than click bait, but in this instance the title is an EXACT description for what you see in the video. The unduly selected President of the United States frequently appears confused or lost. Worrisome to say the least.

[napi21]

81. ALL I CAN SAY IS WOW! nt

[Grins]

164. Yes. And it reminds of...

..the time Tipsy McStaggers walked off the stage in China and tried to open a locked door.

If you haven't seen it!

[hamsterjill]

3. The video doesn't lie.

I mean, the car is right in front of him WITH the Presidential seal on the door. Duh!!!!

This man has no business being President. None.

[ailsagirl]

35. When the agent pointed out the limousine's location...

he kind of went, "Oh, right-- got it" as if it were some meaningless mistake

Wow

[hamsterjill]

38. Yep, he tried to cover it up.

I'm sure he will tweet something like the Secret Service told him to go to another car, etc., but logically, he would be safer to go to the car at the foot of the plane's steps. Nothing else makes sense.

He's got mental issues and he is not fit.

[ailsagirl]

46. You're right, jill

[Hieronymus]

124. The car at the steps had the presidential seal. LOL

[Orrex]

131. That tells us that he knows he's not a real president.

[Scarsdale]

190. Next time

PLEASE let him keep on walking, right off the tarmac. He can use the exercise. WE could use a break from HIM.

[zentrum]

77. Think we need to hold our collective

.....horses.

I think there really is an alternative way to view this video.

He lingers out of camera sight for a few seconds at the limo doors, at the base of the stairs---then goes off to screen left. I think he was expecting to meet someone he had planned to (Bannon, or Sanders, or whomever) and misunderstood where they were or was actually misdirected at the bottom of the stairs, and then comes to realize or is told, person X is in the limo already or in another direction. Then he makes the gesture, " "Oh yeah--there you are", and he goes back.

I think this is a non-event. The optics fit our senile narrative but it's not a slam-dunk, IMO.

[anneboleyn]

146. Yeah, but that doesn't make sense. There is NOBODY there, within eyesight, that Trump could be

walking out to "meet." He wouldn't notice this before he started (and continued) walking in a weird, aimless way? Even if there was some plan to "meet someone," which seems very unlikely to me given the necessary security and where the presidential vehicle is situated, Trump looks confused, and he wouldn't walk aimlessly towards someone who is quite obviously not there.

[sunonmars]

104. now imagine if Hillary had done this and the reaction and coverage it would have got.

[thucythucy]

152. I remember when she had to be helped into her car.

She had a flu or something,

Round the clock coverage, the clip was shown HUNDREDS of times on the various cable stations.

Wanna bet this clip won't get nearly that much exposure?

[niyad]

155. as someone pointed out on another thread on this scene--congress would have been called

back to start the impeachment process.

[Glimmer of Hope]

4. Do your thing CNN. Please be all over this.

[LovingA2andMI]

69. CNN Should Put This Video on Loop Wednesday Morning....

So should Morning Joe.

[malaise]

106. Still waiting for coverage of this

Hmmmmmmmmmmm!

[treestar]

130. Exactly. Like when Hillary stumbled when she was sick.

[anneboleyn]

144. Exactly. The msm put that on an endless loop. This is scary -- wonder who will cover it?! Oh yeah

and so much for that stupid endless speculation about Hillary's health problems. Fuck them for going along with a stupid RW conspiracy meme.

[6000eliot]

5. A metaphor for the entire nation on this 4th of July.

[brush]

17. Karmic symbolism. It happened on the 4th of July. Obvious sign to brush off...

the 25th Amendment.

Alzheimer sufferers frequently wander off.

[ailsagirl]

37. The saddest 4th of July in my life

And maybe our last? I mean, will this holiday eventually be abolished because it's no longer relevant??

[rzemanfl]

53. I posted, yesterday I think, that relevance is no longer relevant.

Trumpist Dumbfuckistan is where we live now.

[pirateshipdude]

56. Everything unprecedented. Eom

[blogslut]

6. Twitter video

Link to tweet

[pirateshipdude]

8. Thank-you for posting the video. I cannot get a twitter video posted. Thanks. Eom

[longship]

31. Get a bowl, a spoon, and some milk.

Because this guy is cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

(Homage to Jay Novella.)

[Hieronymus]

82. Thanks for the video ..

it's horrifying.

[genxlib]

7. It is worth noting

That he has been getting in limos his whole life. I would be more forgiving of some everyday Joe who isn't used to the treatment.

[NastyRiffraff]

9. It's not just the walking away

It's the lost, confused look on his face. We are in serious trouble.

[jimlup]

10. Maybe he really does have Alzheimer's

It will be a nightmare trip for the country but eventually they would have to hospitalize him if that were true. Then I suspect the 25th Amendment would go into effect and Pence would become President.

Don't get me wrong, I despise the man but I hope he doesn't have Alzheimer's.

[pirateshipdude]

12. His father had of Alzheimer. I cannot find how the mother died. Eom

[ailsagirl]

16. Sundowning

The term "sundowning" refers to a state of confusion occurring in the late afternoon and spanning into the night. Sundowning can cause a variety of behaviors, such as confusion, anxiety, aggression or ignoring directions. Sundowning can also lead to pacing or wandering.

Sundowning isn't a disease, but a group of symptoms that occur at a specific time of the day that may affect people with dementia, such as Alzheimer's disease. The exact cause of this behavior is unknown.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/alzheimers-disease/expert-answers/sundowning/faq-20058511

[pirateshipdude]

21. Interesting. Thank-you. I love being informed. Eom

[ailsagirl]

22. You're welcome!

I wasn't familiar with the term myself

[pirateshipdude]

24. Actually, I suggested to myself I ought to google it. I was simply too lazy. Eom

[ailsagirl]

26. I get that way, too

In fact, I googled it some months back and I didn't remember the definition

[pirateshipdude]

30. Yes. That too. Hence, the desire to be aware of these issues.

For self awareness. We all are getting old, too. That is funny.

[dixiegrrrrl]

41. He did exactly the same thing meeting in Israel, remember?

Would love to know what time of day it was here, when it happened there...

wonder how often that happens in the WH or on weekends and staff cover it up.

[pirateshipdude]

45. I thought about that. We do need to figure in jet lag. Time may not have mattered.

I remember that one. I was telling my son, that is not right, normal or Ok. Something is up.

[pangaia]

57. Jet lag, from New Jersey to D. C.?

[pirateshipdude]

60. We are talking about when he did it in the Middle East. Eom.

[pangaia]

64. Oh, oh.. sorry.. now I see that...

I used to get jet lag just flying from NY to LA., even when I was in my 30s.

Now, almost never at 73.. Rochester to Seoul? No problem.. to Tokyo? Piece of cake.. Beijing?
Went to Amsterdam in March for 3 days... easy.. going to Lisbon in 2 weeks... like a drive to the grocery store. :&gt )


I have no idea why...guess I'm lucky...

[pirateshipdude]

68. Isn't that interesting. Huh. Eom

[mentalsolstice]

71. No jet lag in this case....today.

He was flying in from a golf weekend in New Jersey.

[pirateshipdude]

74. I get that. And it was in the evening. Which would be the sundown thing that started this. Eom

[dixiegrrrrl]

95. Another thought....

This is your brain on junk food.

[pirateshipdude]

97. A fellow health nut Democrat did tell me that after watching this video, as a matter of fact. Eom

[True Dough]

83. Aggression

Like typing mean tweets at 3 a.m.!

[brush]

19. The country has been through incapacitated presidents before...Wilson and Reagan

In those two cases attempts to hide it were made.

Let's K&R this to keep this thread going.

[pirateshipdude]

23. I was too young with Reagan. I listened to the hearings and all,

but I did not watch behavior, or get that. Another interesting point is. With Reagan, we learned it was hid from us. We know what to look for.

[rzemanfl]

33. I was too young for Wilson, my father was too young for Wilson. n/t

[yortsed snacilbuper]

39. I was watching raygun giving a press conference once,

and he fell asleep before he finished it.

[pirateshipdude]

42. Wow. I thought his excuse in Contra was, he was sleeping. Eom

[Hieronymus]

92. Nancy prompted him often, in public.

A well known woman who interviewed Reagan said he was clueless. I can't recall her name, but remember her reporting it.

[LovingA2andMI]

72. He LIKELY has Dementia or Alzheimer's....

Either way, we don't feel not one OUNCE of bad for him after the years of havoc he put on Barack Obama or the Obama's in general. He has no business being FAKE Cray-Cray POTUS with our Nuclear Codes and needs to be REMOVED, IMMEDIATELY.

[DFW]

11. I wonder how they will try to explain this one away?

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I see 3 possibilities.

1.) "He had another limo waiting just off camera."

2.) "He was testing his security team to see if they were paying attention."

3-) "He was going to walk to his residence, since the house at Mar-a-Lago is so near the helipad."

The fact that Air Force One is a 747, not a helicopter and that Mar-a-Lago is not on the Potomac temporarily slipped his mind."

[Mister Ed]

43. Maybe he just wanted to go and get a cup of covfefe. n/t

[DFW]

142. There's another possible scenario I thought of

Just before landing, he thought he'd show how ethnically aware he was, but instead of a caramel macchiato, ordered a caramel arrabbiato. The AF1 steward just rolled his eyes and said, "anything you say, Mr. President," and gave him what he ordered. Halfway down the steps, he started to suffer the consequences of his mistake, and was desperately looking for a portable toilet to rid himself of the predictable result.

[NYResister]

13. You don't have to be a doctor, to recognize this.

It's obvious to all of us who have witnessed dementia to recognize it in his behavior.

[pirateshipdude]

25. I have not had anyone with this, around me.

Recently I have found two older men in my life that is exhibiting signs, and another diagnosed.

[NYResister]

70. I witnessed it through both of my inlaws and it's quite

alarming.

In the case of my mother-in-law, she had mild, early stage dementia. Mostly she showed signs of forgetfulness and repetitive talk during conversations.

Nothing serious, and nothing alarming, until she was diagnosed with uterine cancer.

What I learned was that simple anesthesia in the elderly can turn a mild case of dementia into a full blown case.

She emerged from the surgery in a full blown case of dementia. She was hallucinating, she was paranoid, she was hostile and angry.

None of the above were part of her usual personality. She went into surgery, somewhat normal for her age, and wound up in a nursing home and dying within one month.

My father-in-law was showing signs of early dementia for years. He was a class act, and a super sweet guy, but suddenly was showing signs of inappropriate behavior. Completely unexpected inappropriate behavior. He was a brilliant and successful accountant for a large firm. And we watched as he looked for the "f" button on the microwave, the 3:00am phone calls of paranoia, or the attempting to calculate our phone numbers left by his bedside, and then calling us to tell us the numbers didn't add up.

[pirateshipdude]

76. That is interesting, NYResister.

I really do not know a lot about these illnesses. I am fascinated, so I appreciate you giving me this information. I hear it is a tough one. We do the best we can.

[HockeyMom]

128. Silver Alert

Four years ago my SIL drove from Queens to see a friend on LI. Gone for 12 hours. She was found wandering around in Manhattan at 2 AM. Stopped a cop and asked where Queens Blvd. Lived in NYC her entire life and did not recognize the Empire State Building. A female LEO drove her back home. She told her husband to take away her car keys, and take her to a doctor.

She could not tell day from night and became very aggressive towards family members. Family would have to lock the door or she would go wandering out in the middle of the night thinking it was daytime.

My SIL had chemo about 20 years ago for throat cancer. The family believes that might have caused/contributed to her Dementia.

[NYResister]

187. The wandering, or worse, the driving, is scary.

We took the car away. We let him keep the car keys, because they seemed very important to him.

My father-in-law started to wander, walking into people's homes, etc. We hired home health aides to be with him when we could not be, but eventually had to put in in an assisted living center.

[Gothmog]

174. The 25th Amendment people are having fun with this

[NYResister]

188. I'll bet they are.

I'm for any action to get this ass out of office.

[hibbing]

14. Absolutely terrifying n/t

[ailsagirl]

15. Isn't Washington Journal a conservative news outlet?

I was under that impression but I could be wrong

[left-of-center2012]

29. The Washington Times is n/t

[Freethinker65]

18. Dementia

[Snarkoleptic]

20. I read that he was miffed about trending 25th amendment hashtags.

Makes me wonder if he later thought that displaying from odd/erratic behavior might fast track his return to his life of leisure/low stress.

[ailsagirl]

28. As usual, we're kept in the dark

[JBoy]

27. Well, there goes the planned tour of the trap door factory. nt

[GeorgeGist]

32. Lost in space ...

like many of his followers. Sad.

[pirateshipdude]

36. I just watched Waco, Ruby, McVeigh, KKK. Lost in space, or something. Eom

[MyOwnPeace]

34. Not only "missing" the car.............

watch his face as he's walking down the steps...........................

Something's not right!!!!!

[pirateshipdude]

40. He did the "oh" with his lips as he was almost to the bottom.

He did that stand up in the Netanyahu meeting when he did the same thing. I wonder if it is a precursory, like a tick.

[anneboleyn]

147. He looks confused, and is he talking to himself? As he's walking down the steps he looks like he's

talking to himself since there is obviously nobody nearby who can hear him and then his obvious confusion and "oh" is alarming (plus the multiple guys running out to retrieve him). I've witnessed this wandering confusion in two relatives as they entered their eighties.

[left-of-center2012]

44. Can I post just the video on Facebook?

The Facebook link posts the whole article.

[pirateshipdude]

47. Ya. I do not know how to do a twitter link.

I can never get the video to post on FB or here.

[LovingA2andMI]

75. Our Radio Site has posted this video to Facebook....

Feel Free to share at this link: https://www.facebook.com/IURadioNetwork/videos/1553151244705405/

[left-of-center2012]

85. Thank you! n/t

[LovingA2andMI]

87. You're welcome...

[0rganism]

48. i'd think someone with a serious handicap would be more sensitive about taking away our health care

apparently, i would be wrong

[pirateshipdude]

51. He doesn't get a single thing about HC. To make it to 70 and so clueless. Eom

[niyad]

156. he can afford care. and he does not care about those who cannot.

[0rganism]

158. yep, probably still unaware of his own deficiency, too

i imagine he's spent much of his life denying things about his own condition so it probably hasn't registered yet
and he wouldn't give much of a shit about peons anyway

[Cha]

49. The vid won't play for me..

Thanks for this though.

[pirateshipdude]

52. Blogslut post. She posted the video. Will that one work?

You have got to see it. It is telling.

[Cha]

61. No, the twitter vid didn't work

either.. on IE or google chrome. Weird.

[pirateshipdude]

63. Hopefully you will see it somewhere. Colbert, Travis or another one.

If I see it in a show tomorrow, I will provide a link. You really gotta see it.

[Cha]

65. I was hoping youtube

will get it. Mahalo, pirate

[blogslut]

67. Here you go

Excuse the FOX station's lame excuse for BLOTUS' brain fail:

[pirateshipdude]

73. You are so good, thank-you. This one is longer. A good watch. Eom.

[Cha]

79. Isn't she?

[Cha]

78. Hey Aloha, blogslut! I just googled for youtube

to no avail.

Mahalo!

trump.. "oh yeah, there it is " fake fox.. "trump tries to ditch his limo "

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

135. Thanks for posting

I can't view Twitter videos for some reason.

[yortsed snacilbuper]

50. The school buses put pictures of mickey mouse or donald duck on the door,

so the kindergarter kids can find their ride home, maybe that would help.

[pirateshipdude]

54. They use the damn Presidential Seal. Maybe he does need Donald Duck. Eom

[milestogo]

107. Maybe it should be the Russian Presidential Seal.

[left-of-center2012]

55. What more can the Secret Service do ...

They put the car at the foot of the plane's stairs.

[pirateshipdude]

59. I know. They drove it right up, door right off the stairs. I noticed that, too. Eom.

[forgotmylogin]

91. Use the inflatable slide?

"This way Mr. President, (shove-THUMPITY zeeeeeeeeeeeee THUMPITYTHUMP doorslam)."

[justgamma]

58. Give him a break

The limo was hidden pretty good. Anyone could have missed it.

[pirateshipdude]

62. Lol. Yes, that. Eom

[3catwoman3]

66. The limo was at the foot of the freaking stairs, for...

...Gawd's sake!

When something was really nearby and I couldn't find it, my dad used to say, "If it had been a bear, it woulda bit ya."

[krispos42]

80. I just showed this to my 12-year-old son.

We've been outside all afternoon, cut off from the news media. I got home at ten.

I maximized the video screen and called him in from watching cat videos (or whatever) on his tablet, and had him watch this. Just the video. No headline, or comments or anything. I didn't tell him what it was about, although he seemed surprised that I was watching a Fanta Menace video without swearing or obvious anger.

"So, what did you see?" I asked when it was done (all paraphrasing).

"Trump didn't go in the car."

"Why do you think that is?"

"He looked lost. But the car was right in front of him."

"So what do you think that means?"

"He's sick. He has a disease affecting his mind and maybe his body as well. I mean, the car was there."

"Does he remind you of anybody?"

My son proceeds to name my great-uncle who died a year or so ago from advanced Parkinson's. The last time my son saw him alive, my great-uncle was in a nursing home where he walked around constantly while drooling and confused.

When I asked him about his great-grandmother, who was suffering from Alzheimer's until she died 2½ years ago, he did mention that it was kind of like the residents in the special secure wing of the nursing home where she was staying.

#25thAmendment

[brush]

103. Yes. Alzheimers sufferers wander off. They sometimes walk away for blocks

A family member of mine did that.

[forgotmylogin]

84. Oh, come on...

They parked it RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STAIRS. THEY KNOW HE HATES TO WALK.

It was harder to miss it than to wander fifty yards away onto the tarmac!

If he'd pulled a Gerald Ford and tripped down the stairs, HE'D HAVE LANDED IN THE LIMO ACCIDENTALLY.

Perhaps they need to start using the inflatable slides on AF1 so they can just channel him into the car without his needing to think about it.

[Buns_of_Fire]

86. Remember the movie "Telefon"?

That orb that he lovingly fondled in Saudi Arabia was actually a joint Saudi/Russia mind-control device. He's been put in a trance, and only awakens when someone calls him and says "Your KFC order is ready. The meat is lovely, dark, and deep, but you have miles to go before you eat. Miles to go before you eat, Trumpsky." He then awakens to perform the task he was programmed for -- the destruction of the United States.

Unfortunately, Charles Bronson is dead so we can't count on him for much help this time.

[pirateshipdude]

90. Lol, no, I did not watch that movie. But, good story. Thanks. Eom

[Brother Buzz]

96. Robert Frost gives your post a thumbs up

[hay rick]

88. Here's the clip without the Fox coverup...

[lastlib]

89. Can we get him to wander away from the White House?

For about three and a half years?

[Iliyah]

93. Corporate media looped HRC non-stop . .

3..2..1

Have not seen yet on tv.

[BumRushDaShow]

123. THIS

Looped her over and over and then had days of discussion about it and different angles.

[bluestarone]

94. quick

someone tell him he's a Democrat!!!!!!!!

[MFM008]

98. And I remember

How he made fun of HRC when she stumbled a bit when she had pneumonia.

[loyalsister]

99. Are people seriously this shallow and desperate?

When people are busy, preoccupied, daydreaming, or disinterested it is pretty common quite lose track of what they're doing when they aren't in their everyday environment. Trump is clealy preoccupied with himself, and doesn't appear to be interested in the job.
His supporters grasped at illness and disability by speculating that Hillary has Parkinson's based on one video. It was as ridiculous and bigoted then as it is now.

[Orrex]

119. No, you're pretty much wrong from start to finish

If a Democratic President had done this, the GOP would be in nonstop "something is wrong with the president" mode, and the media would be running analysis of the 25th Amendment morning, noon and night.

Trump is a cancer, and if there's any hope in the universe, he's a cancer that has Alzheimer's or some other progressively debilitating neurological condition. I will laugh and mock him every time he can't find an unmissable 30 foot vehicle or he forgets when he's supposed to put his hand on his heart or he babbles like a fucking idiot on internationally broadcast television. It is not ridiculous or bigoted to hold this stupid, incompetent racist fuckhead to the same standard that he applies to others.


Thanks, but I don't care to be scolded for how I criticize this stupid, incompetent racist fuckhead. If that makes me less gloriously progressive in your esteemed view, then I guess I'll just have to figure out a way to live with that.

[loyalsister]

149. "If a Democratic President had done this" doesn't make hypocrisy okay

This kind of outrage did go around GOP circles over a Hillary Clinton video. Anyone who jumps on this foolish band wagong has joined the jerks who were making assumptions about her.

[Orrex]

150. No, you're still pretty much wrong from start to finish

The difference is that Trump and the GOP were tearing down the superior candidate by falsely suggesting that her general health is failing.

Trump, in stark and undeniable contrast, is an incompetent fuckhead constantly out of his depth who increasingly demonstrates traits and actions common to someone suffering organic or functional neurological impairment. You dismiss it as an assumption, but of course it's not an assumption at all; it's *CONCLUSION* drawn after weeks and months of conspicuously unhinged behavior.


If you think that it's a foolish bandwagon, then you're welcome to stay up there on your high horse instead.

[loyalsister]

153. Everyone here is also "falsely suggesting"

There is no objective proof of the stuff people keep hoping to hang on him. It's an ableist strategy that reflect the terrible treatment of disabled people in this country. Participating this hurts people by perpetuating the narrative that sick and disabled people are of less value.

It is an assumption without evidence until you have a clinical record that proves it. You don't. Therefore, your conclusions are as invalid as those drawn about Hillary Clinton.

[Orrex]

154. No, it's not an ableist strategy

If Herr Trump is suffering from a neurological impairment consistent with the increasingly unhinged behaviors and tendencies that he increasingly demonstrates, then it is the business of every person on the fucking planet to make sure that he is unable to inflict further harm. Frankly, when we're talking about the goddamn President of the United States, a different standard necessarily applies.

Despite your fondness for scolding, it is absolutely not ableism to require that a person be *able* to perform the job that they are required to perform.

"Therefore, your conclusions are as invalid as those drawn about Hillary Clinton."
I know that you want to believe it, and I accept that you'll repeat it until someone listens to you, but you can stuff your sanctimony up your self-righteousness, thanks.

[loyalsister]

157. Ableism is exploiting the US cultural assumption of the superiority of the able body

That is exactly what is happening here, just as it is exactly what would have happened if anyone had seen FDR in a wheelchair. There would have been assumptions made about his capacity to serve as president with a miniscule amount of information - the visible image of a man using a wheelchair. Assuming disability or illness and therefore, inferiority is exactly what this desperate and hateful strategy to find a Dx is all about.

[Orrex]

159. Would you agree to have brain surgery performed by a surgeon with unchecked dementia?

No? Then you're every bit as guilty of ableism as you imagine me to be. Why else would you give preference to a surgeon who doesn't suffer from dementia? Do you perhaps subscribe to the mad notion that people must have the ability to perform the job that they're responsible to perform?

"There would have been assumptions made about his capacity to serve as president with a miniscule amount of information - the visible image of a man using a wheelchair."

Trump is in a wheelchair? That's news to me. Please, share a picture.

Of course, perhaps you were making a weak analogy by providing an irrelevant example.

I haven't diagnosed that incompetent idiot fuckhead, either; I've simply observed--correctly--that he increasingly exhibits behaviors consistent with neurological impairment. I am assessing his behavior; I am not offering a diagnosis, beyond noting--again, correctly--that he is dangerously (and perhaps catastrophically) unhinged.

You seem very keen on excusing mental lapses by a man able to start a war an errant tweet. I am less comfortable trusting in his imaginary good health and well-being. I will accept the risk of drawing an incorrect conclusion about his mental state.

But please feel free to continue scolding.

[loyalsister]

161. An assumption about what a wheelchair means is very much like the assumptions about Trump

Both a rooted in superficial assumptions based on visual observations with zero direct objective evidence.

Your comfort level in making these assumptions is the reason why the MO state government knows they can get away with policies that will lock people away in nursing homes. The public doesn't care because they've seen how much space those people take up, and they know from those observations that they do not want to share space or public resources with "those people."

Yes Trump is dangerous. Making stuff up is not going to get him removed from office or further damage his already dismal credibility to the point of rescuing the US. What you are doing is contributing to rhetoric that reinforces the existing cultural perception that disabled lives are not to be valued.

[Orrex]

162. You are making assumptions about my assumptions

If I see a person in a wheelchair one time, I assume either:

1. That person is in a wheelchair because it facilitates movement
or
2. That person is in a wheelchair for some other reason

If I see a person that a person is in a wheelchair constantly for a year or more, I will conclude:

1. That person is in a wheelchair because it facilitates movement

If I see someone fail to locate his car one time, as I did briefly at the grocery store over the weekend, I will assume:

1. That person is unable to locate their vehicle.

If I see someone fail to locate his car when his car is a huge, unique model directly in front of him at the base of the stairs to his personal gigantic aircraft and parked exactly where it is always parked and exactly where he was told it would be, AND if the person exhibits a long history of poor impulse control, cognitive impairment, stunted communication skills and ill-managed temper, I will likely conclude that:

1. Something is amiss with this person's cognitive ability


After half a dozen posts I can see that you want this to be a case of me taking one brief glance at one of Trump's behaviors, and you want to imagine that I thereby conclude that all people of different ability are incompetent to perform any job whatsoever.

That is not the case, however, and I won't apologize for concluding that Trump is a stupid incompetent fuckhead.


And you didn't answer my question: would you submit to brain surgery by a neurosurgeon suffering from unchecked dementia?

Why? Or why not?

[loyalsister]

163. Yes, I am assuming you are not a doctor who has examined Trump

Is that unfair? Your rhetoric reflects the way US culture stereotypes and treats people with disabilities. If you have ever felt pity for a person with a disability or thought of them as an inspiration, you are an avid carrier of damaging stereotypes.

How would I know that said surgeon had dementia? If I had only my uniformed assumptions to go on, I would be a fool to not have a brain tumor removed by someone who I made up a DX for.

[Orrex]

165. Please show me where I have offered a formal diagnosis

After one post, you saw fit to diagnose me as ableist. Are you an attorney? A psychologist? On what basis did you form that assumption? How dare you pigeonhole me!

I gave an assessment that was (and remains) consistent with Trump's behavior overall. If you reacha different assessment, good for you.

"If you have ever felt pity for a person with a disability or thought of them as an inspiration, you are an avid carrier of damaging stereotypes."
Well, that's horseshit. If I have ever done a thing, than I am now an avid doer of that thing?

And you still didn't answer the question--why?

The question was not "if you sort of guess that the surgeon has dementia." The question was, if the surgeon *has* unchecked dementia.

Would you submit to brain surgery by that surgeon? If not, then how can you engage in such ableist discrimination? And, if you would decline to go under the knife for that surgeon, then are you an avid carrier of damaging stereotypes?

[loyalsister]

167. What exactly is unchecked dementia?

If it's unchecked, how is it not assumed to be a possibility based on limited knowledge?

[Orrex]

172. Unchecked as in "not constrained"

Not as in "undiagnosed."

Would you go under the knife of such a surgeon?

[loyalsister]

168. Ableism is a matter of assuming bodily superiority

Whether it is a generalized assumption or speculation about a specific person evaluating their capabilities and claiming them to be inferior is the root belief that able bodied people are better. That is why FDR, and Mitch McConnell both hid their connection to the demonized demographic and it is why ordinarilly compassionate people are desperately trying to find a label that reflects incapacity to apply to Trump.
A lifetime's experience with being judged and valued based on perceptions and assumptions of my abilities has been more informative than anyone who does not live the experience can claim to know.

[Orrex]

173. Are some physical tasks more suitably performed by people physically able to perform them?

It's not a statement of value; it's an acknowledgment that people have different abilities. Do you assert that this is not the case?

[Iplayoneontv]

179. Cool story bro

Hey, I have a better idea. Go to Reddit and get on T_D so you can lecture the people who are running Project Austism to harass CNN's anchors about the damage they are causing. Have fun!

[WinkyDink]

183. Well, you're wrong from the git-go. The topic is Trump's MIND, not his body. We can SEE that he is

ambulatory.

[loyalsister]

189. The brain is part of the body

Thinking, feeling, sensing, talking, etc are all bodily functions. It's been known for a few centuries that it's all connected. See Hypocrates

[WinkyDink]

182. You seriously think a President of the United States, disembarking AF 1, should be excused for being

"busy, preoccupied, daydreaming, or disinterested"?

[Brother Buzz]

100. Come on, give the asshole a break. He just walked down those boarding stairs unassisted....

and wanted to take a victory lap.

[Hieronymus]

102. He always has a hold on the hand rail, unlike predecessors.

[Brother Buzz]

148. It has been suggested that he has bathmophobia and...

and that he has been working with Dr. Harold Bornstein on it, 'Just block out everything in front of you, just block out those scary stairs out and they become invisible". It worked, he didn't see the forbidding stairs in front of him.....and "The Beast".

[Rorey]

101. He was looking for his golf cart MT

[mfcorey1]

105. Incredible! Call the doctor immediately!

[Bengus81]

108. That's spooky shit,where did he think it was? n/t

[oberliner]

109. This is stupid

Makes us look bad to promote this kind of crap.

Like when the RW'ers ran video of HRC stumbling and claiming she was ill.

[Vinca]

112. Are you kidding? This isn't fun and games.

It's most likely he's suffering from dementia and he's in the most important position in the world. I don't think this is traveling like wildfire as a joke.

[oberliner]

114. No

Maybe he wasn't sure if he was supposed to get into the car or not. There is no real way to know from the video what was going on.

I think the best thing to do is focus on the policy stuff and not out of context video clips where we impose our own view on what is happening based on speculation.

Every day Trump should be attacked for: health care policy, tax policy, environmental policy, foreign policy, administration connections to Russia, financial corruption, and so forth.

[Vinca]

116. The POTUS's limo is at the end of the stairs a step away and he thinks his car is elsewhere?

I don't want millions of people to die needlessly in South Korea because we have an incompetent person directing the military action against North Korea. This is serious and very, very dangerous.

[oberliner]

117. Who the hell knows

People space out / have brain farts - this is not a big deal. Maybe he thought he was supposed to go shake someone's hand first. Remember, he is not especially clued in to what a president is supposed to do (even now).

The fact that he is threatening China vis-a-vis North Korea on twitter right now concerns me a lot more than this video.

Link to tweet

Now this is dangerous.

[Vinca]

120. His tweets are another issue and another sign of his dementia. They aren't normal.

I'm not trying to argue with you, but this seems to be coming to a head with North Korea's ICBMs and I'm pretty terrified for this country.

[Bengus81]

115. She was ill that day.......

From non stop campaigning,heat,pneumonia,exhaustion. Does that make Clinton suddenly a Parkinson's patient? It wasn't just Trump knuckle draggers saying crazy shit like that it was TRUMP doing it too. Honestly,if she truly did have parkinsons and knew it I would have wanted her to withdraw.

Here's another:

According to one attendee, Hillary Clinton doesn’t actually have pneumonia but possible Parkinson’s, MS or even Aids. “Probably from her husband messing around with that Magic Johnson,” one ardent Trump fan posited.

[oberliner]

118. It wasn't just that day

They posted a variety of clips of HRC suggesting she had some serious medical condition and/or was drunk, etc, etc.

This is just not something we need to get into. This video shows nothing really. Personally, I think the nonsense he does on twitter and some of the things he has said in speeches have been a lot more indicative of problems.

But I'd avoid even going there, personally. Lots of real, undeniable things to focus on with respect to what he has done / will do as POTUS.

[Bengus81]

122. True,but it wasn't just Trump supporters it was TRUMP..........

parroting the same line of crap--toned down a bit,that his followers were saying. How many times did he flatly state because of her health she was not fit for the demands of that office?? He said he was 70 but felt 35 so vote for me,not the one with health problems.

Now he can't find a limo DIRECTLY in front of him? IMO this is scary shit..........

[oberliner]

125. Understood

But I think he knew the limo was in front of him and wasn't sure if he was supposed to get in it or not.

[Orrex]

121. No, it's nothing at all like that

She was a presidential candidate attacked by a shit-stack of a human being based on nothing more than his own self-aggrandizement.

Trump's current example of incompetence is simply another on a long list of the obviously disqualifying (and seriously troubling) shortcomings of an idiot racist fuckhead who should never have been allowed within 500 miles of the Whitehouse. Every second that he occupies the office is a toxic blight on the country and the world.

Short of violence, I will advocate any and all steps to get him out of office, the more humiliating and traumatic for him, the better. Let him be mocked and ridiculed and belittled and cheapened until he literally pisses himself from embarrassment.

If there is one constant in the world of DU, it's that a handful of righteous scolds will happily wag their collective finger at us whenever we aren't using the right salad fork to criticize the GOP.

[oberliner]

126. It's pretty much exactly the same thing

Taking a video and drawing conclusions based on one's opinion of the subject.

I think he should be removed from office for a myriad of reasons (financial corruption, Russian connection, general incompetence, etc.) but this video is not one of them.

[Orrex]

129. No one in the universe has said that he should be removed because of this video

Find me one credible source who has said something to the effect of "Trump should be removed from office because he couldn't find the limo that was parked at the base of the stairs of his personal aircraft, with the door standing wide open for him, exactly where he was told it would be." Go on--I'll wait.

Instead, people are pointing to this as yet another example of behaviors and actions that reasonably call Trump's mental function into question. On its own it's comical (though the GOP would be calling for Obama's immediate resignation if he'd done it), but it's part of a larger and ongoing concern about Trump's health and capacity, especially since he hasn't been seriously evaluated.

I applaud your eagerness to scold Progressives, but I will continue to mock the stupid, incompetent racist fuckhead occupying the Whitehouse. And if he turns out to have Alzheimer's, you can bet your ass that I will mock him all the more relentlessly.


For the record, I've lost two close family members to Alzheimer's & Alzheimer's-related complications, and I have no compunctions about mocking the dangerous dumpster fire that the GOP has inflicted upon us.

[oberliner]

133. There are posts on this very thread saying that

In any case, I understand where folks are coming from in terms of wanting to mock Trump, I just don't think this is the best approach.

This is a discussion board - I'm sharing my opinion. People, obviously, are free to disagree.

We are all on the same side here (broadly speaking).

[Orrex]

134. It may not be the best approach, but neither is it the only approach

My hatred for the human shit-stack is broad and wide-ranging, and I am fully capable of attacking him on multiple fronts simultaneously. I suspect that others among us are equally capable.

I agree that several comments have called for Trump's removal in the wake of this latest episode, but I haven't seen any that have said that this incident *in itself* is sufficient justification to fire him.

[mnmoderatedem]

110. remember Hilary during the campaign?

The stumbling into the limo when she was sick. Repugs had a field day.

Dems should do the same right now.

[Bengus81]

111. Hell TRUMP had a field day with it............

Claimed she was in no way up to the physical condition it took to be President so don't dare vote for her. This guy can't find a limo that's right in front of him?

[Vinca]

113. That's one of the scariest things I've ever watched.

It looks like he passes the limo and is looking for a crowd of supporters. He seems to have thought he was going to a rally.

[Miles Archer]

127. Well, that was certainly disturbing.

Walks down steps directly to car, wanders off, and is directed to his car.

Link to tweet

[bmbmd]

132. To be fair-

It was a black limo. He was looking for a solid gold one.

[Gothmog]

136. Twitter is on this

Link to tweet

[Demsrule86]

137. Be careful this has an extension that hijacks your 'new tab'

I would look for the video elsewhere and delete the link seriously...didn't notice it ...and what a pain the ass.

[pirateshipdude]

138. Interesting. I will give that a try. Eom

[Demsrule86]

141. If you are not paying attention and click on it as I did...In Chrome go to settings

and disable it...you will see it. It won't be in extensions.

[pirateshipdude]

139. Better? Eom

[get the red out]

140. I hope he is getting medical help

This could very well be dementia.

[Hieronymus]

178. That kook of a doctor. LOL

[ffr]

143. Our functional baffoon

Where am I?

[Unrepentant Fenian]

145. What an idiot!

[WinkyDink]

151. Trump forgot where he was. He was probably looking for the Head of State he was "supposed to meet."

[sunonmars]

160. If its dementia or alzheimers, they wont be able to hide this very long as it looks to me from his

behavious that he is escalating fast, the anger, the loss of cognition, wandering and memory loss.......

You can only hide it so long........

[WyattKansas]

171. Hmm...

That would explain appointing so many of his family around him, even though they had their own careers to worry about. Even if is intermixed with Russian bribes. But so his family can steer him and he basically turns things over to Jared to put on power point presentations, because he can't. Also, the White House decided last week that they would no longer let him do interviews, unless it was FOX, and to limit any access to him or allow him to speak unless absolutely necessary.

Nobody can legitimately explain what the hell he was doing, but it was obviously NOT what anyone there expected from the President of the United States, when his car is pulled right up to the end of the stairs... Which seems kind of odd, unless they were worried.

[Thor_MN]

166. Looks like an asshole who can't remember which country he launched missles into...

[Angry Dragon]

169. Perhaps he could get a job at Trump Towers as a doorman??

[Iplayoneontv]

180. Those guys make $150,000 a year.

Greeter at Walmart!

[Angry Dragon]

184. Why do you hate Wal-Mart??

[WinkyDink]

185. Your source for that salary info?

[UCmeNdc]

170. Trump is not all there

Trump has a health problem。IMHO。

How will he handle NK and Putin？？？？？

[Gothmog]

175. Wandering Trump video spurs renewed interest in 25th Amendment

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/7/5/1678121/-Wandering-Trump-video-spurs-renewed-interest-in-25th-Amendment

[Goonch]

176. ALL TIE SMALL HANDS

[MyNameIsKhan]

177. Very strange indeed

[WinkyDink]

181. Getting maudlin is another possible symptom. His Tweet re: Charlie Gard is so weird! "We'd be

delighted...."

[xeodtech]

186. Having Worked with the Secret Service.

This is very disturbing. Not the fact that he got lost but the agents did nothing but stand there... Hmm.. Maybe they are not willing to put their lives on the line for this idiot.