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Binders Keepers

(369 posts)
Fri Jul 7, 2017, 05:02 PM Jul 2017

Two different accounts of the manner in which Trump raised the issue of election interference

One from Tillerson; one from Lavrov.

Both of these accounts could be true on face value; they do not necessarily contradict each other. However, the Russian version goes into a lot more detail than the bare-bones statement by Tillerson. Probably both are shading things a little in their own favor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/07/world/europe/g20-hamburg-trump-putin-protests.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

In a major shift, Mr. Trump pressed Mr. Putin on his country’s meddling in the 2016 election, Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson told reporters after a long meeting between the two leaders on Friday.

But his Russian counterpart spun the exchange differently — claiming that the president “accepts” Mr. Putin’s oft-repeated denials that he had anything to do with attempting to swing the 2016 election to Mr. Trump.

“He began by raising the concern of the American people of Russian interference in the 2016 election,” Mr. Tillerson, who was present at the meeting, said of Mr. Trump. “He pressed him more than once.”

Speaking separately to Russian reporters in Hamburg, the Russian foreign minister, Sergei V. Lavrov, cast Mr. Trump in a more forgiving light.

“President Trump said that this campaign has already taken on a rather strange character, because over the many months that these accusations have been made, not a single fact has been presented,” Mr. Lavrov said. “President Trump said that he had heard the clear statements from President Putin about this being untrue, that the Russian leadership did not interfere in the election, and that he accepts these statements.”

Mr. Lavrov, a veteran diplomatic infighter, added one more detail: Mr. Trump, he said, had conceded “that certain circles in the U.S. are still exaggerating, although they cannot prove this, the topic of Russia’s interference with the U.S. election.”

An email to a spokesman for Mr. Trump wasn’t immediately returned.

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Two different accounts of the manner in which Trump raised the issue of election interference (Original Post) Binders Keepers Jul 2017 OP
I don't believe either one of them n/t leftstreet Jul 2017 #1
I am with you. riversedge Jul 2017 #9
Neither of them seem to be very sincere. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2017 #2
One had an on camera press briefing, and one didn't oberliner Jul 2017 #3
He's a fucking traitor. Squinch Jul 2017 #4
why in the hell do we think nobody was allowed in the room? OF COURSE Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #8
'Diplo-speak' elleng Jul 2017 #5
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Chemisse Jul 2017 #6
Needed Comey there for contemporaneous note-taking. Binders Keepers Jul 2017 #7
And that's EXACTLY why they didn't have note takers... Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #10

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,157 posts)
2. Neither of them seem to be very sincere.
Fri Jul 7, 2017, 05:07 PM
Jul 2017

So I have no reason to believe either of these shitheads when they claim they didn't screw with our elections.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
10. And that's EXACTLY why they didn't have note takers...
Fri Jul 7, 2017, 05:30 PM
Jul 2017

Four different people, four different perspectives, and four different angles to what went on so the media story gets completely muddled and nobody knows what is or isn't the truth...

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