Stop using the word 'meddle', dammit. Russia committed cyberWARFARE against the US.

[blm]

Every single Dem on camera has been using the word meddle just as the GOP narrative spinners knew they would.

FVCK THE STUPIDITY of every damn Dem lawmaker, lazy minded 'reporter', and media mouthpiece who calls what Russia did 'meddling'.

Seriously….fvck you.

Attacking our nation and its right to a free election is an act of WAR.

If you don't know the difference between 'an act of war' and 'meddling' then you don't belong in any position to speak for this nation in any capacity.

[lastlib]

1. AGREED!!

Russians ATTACKED us!! WHY isn't our "Dear Leader" DEFENDING us??!?

. . . . .

Would anybody say that the 9/11 hijackers "meddled" with the World Trade Center? Or Japan "meddled" with Pearl Harbor?

[Hortensis]

2. +1000.

[lapucelle]

3. THANK YOU!

I've been wondering for over a week about why the media is framing the narrative by describing the attack on our elections with a word that trivializes it.

Nosy neighbors meddle.
In laws meddle.
Busybodies meddle.

"Tamper with", "sabotage", or even the neutral "interfere" would be more accurate.

[blm]

6. Like it's a gawddam sitcom, ferchrissakes.

Putin is NOT Mr Roper.

[lapucelle]

7. Or Gladys Kravitz.

(Your Mr. Roper reference is priceless.)

[blm]

23. 'Gladys' heheh

"Frank, I have a sick headache."

[SHRED]

4. Damn straight!!

[pirateshipdude]

5. Correct. Thank-you. Eom

[NRaleighLiberal]

8. thank you. so fucking sick of hearing that distortion

[blm]

24. Couldn't take another second of it - on EVERY network.

.

[DefenseLawyer]

9. Meddling kids

[Pmc1962]

10. I contacted NPR about it

I said meddling is what Ricky warned Lucy about, not an attempt to interfere and undermine an election.

They sent me the dictionary definition, as if the subtleties of the language didn't exist.

To their credit, the ombudsman said they would forward my concerns to the head of the news division. But nothing changed.

[Takket]

11. great point

they undermined our entire electoral process. Meddle makes it sound like they slipped sleeping bills to our hockey team at the olympics.

[SHRED]

12. If this was meddling

Then 9/11 was merely meddling with structure integrity.

[leftstreet]

13. +1

Thank you!

That irritates the piss outta me!

[ancianita]

14. "Meddle" Russian lingo. This was a high crime, domestic and international in scope.

Glad you cleared that up.

I'd like to add that we also need to know the difference between intelligence and evidence.

Journalists report, second hand, intelligence that knows of, is in possession of, but does not actually produce evidence for public consumption.

And so U.S. reporters don't handle evidence.

They handle reports about the evidence which will be revealed at the time and place of the FBI's choosing.

[Greybnk48]

15. Agree! Send this to Andrea Mitchell! n/t

[iluvtennis]

16. M$M trying to belittle the Russians helping Trump to steel the election from Hillary

[L. Coyote]

18. I prefer "overthrowing democracy"

[dem in texas]

19. It's WAR

Cyber-war is war on the cheap. Hire 1,000 hackers and a couple million dollars in servers and you can go to war. Don't have to spend billions of dollars for soldiers, guns, aircraft, battleships, tanks, bombs and all the things required to fight a full-blown war.

In the meantime the USA is sitting by doing nothing. We have had a power plant hacked into and recently a nuclear facility was hacked. These are trial runs for the big attack which will be coming soon.

Russia can cause billions of dollars in damage to our economy. Wake up America!

[Initech]

20. It was absolutely an act of war.

And those who aided in Trump's election committed treason.

[yodermon]

21. Yes. "meddling" and "collusion" try to soften the impact.

It's "act of war" and "conspiracy with a hostile foreign power".

[blm]

25. GOP wordsmiths put that word out there and corpmedia ran with it to point that many

Dems now use it instead of cyber attack or cyber warfare.

No doubt it was an act of war against our democracy.

[dalton99a]

22. Absolutely. It was an extremely hostile act.

[roscoeroscoe]

26. +++++++

Well said

[procon]

27. When Russia goes after our communications networks, the electric grid,

nuclear power plants, the national air traffic control system, those outdated nuclear missile silos, or the money/banking sector... is that still just insignificant "meddling" that doesn't rise the bar on threats to our national security in Trump's WH ?

Its the 21st century and the new generation of warfighters are nerds sitting at computers and hacking their way into vital systems to cripple their opponents ability to even function on a minimal level. Russia doesn't need, bombs, armies or naval fleets to wage war against the US and accomplish their objective when a string of well aimed code will do it quicker, and apparently with little risk to them repeating the effect.

[Hoyt]

28. Sorry, I'm not for declaring war on Ruskies for doing the same thing we've been doing for decades.

It was wrong and it's up to our cyber-security folks to make sure we are protected and authorities and party officials need to monitor elections and registrations closely.

Also, it is up to everyone to make sure they check sources of news reports. A lot of the fake-news that so many people on both sides accepted as fact, were obviously BS.

[emulatorloo]

29. Nobody's "declaring war" on Russia. And Putin doesn't get a free pass for helping install Trump

simply because you have the misguided view that the US "deserves" it. US voters don't "deserve" Putin's malfeasance.

[Hoyt]

31. I didn't say "deserve it," but we've been screwing with world elections and even bullying other

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countries for quite awhile. We have cyber-security people and they better do their jobs. And people need to quit accepting obviously fake news.

[emulatorloo]

32. US voters have not been screwing with elections. Bottom line: Putin doesn't get a free pass

There are no excuses for what he did to American voters.


A fair number of DU'ers pushed back against fake news.

Other DU'ers just could not post enough fake news: dubious sources like Washington Times, Breitbart, Fox News, Russia Today were hot sources at DU.

Not everyone fell for fake news.

[Hoyt]

33. So, what do you think we should do to Putin?

[emulatorloo]

34. Tough Sanctions, expel spys, cyberattacks. Harden up our own systems as you suggested.

Give technical aid to other countries to help them fight Putin's intrusions into their elections.

Resist Trump. As you know Obama shut down two spy compounds in the US. Trump's working very hard to give them back.

I'm sure you have ideas as well.

Somewhat relevant thread on the resist Trump angle:

WH racing to stop Congress from sending Russia sanctions bill to Trump's desk that may tie his hands
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029306075

[Hoyt]

35. Hacking him, for hacking us because we hacked him. . . . repeat, repeat

This has been going on for years. I don't think more hacking will help. Not do I think sanctions that hurt innocents is the answer. I think prevention is the best defense.

[blm]

36. If we were hacking Russia it would have been revealed long ago. Putin is hacking EVERY DEMOCRACY

and has been for over a decade.

The sanctions Obama put in place are not aimed at innocents. They were specifically targeted at those Putin cronies pillaging Russia's treasury in order to invest in overseas deals that will increase their personal wealth.

[Hoyt]

37. You really ought to do a little research before typing. Here's just a few examples.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-hackers-ready-hit-back-if-russia-disrupts-election-n677936

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-meddling-in-1996-russian-elections-in-support-of-boris-yeltsin/5568288

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/05/americans-spot-election-meddling-doing-years-vladimir-putin-donald-trump

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-us-has-been-meddling-in-other-countries-elections-for-a-century-it-doesnt-feel-good_us_57983b85e4b02d5d5ed382bd

[blm]

38. I know every point made and have for years. You really shouldn't accept opinion articles

for data - What part of US hackers 'ready' to hit back 'if' Russia disrupts election indicates to you that US hackers have been hacking Russia elections and media and Russia is just retaliating? How many dead US journalists and opposition leaders did you see Obama racking up while he was in office? Post your data.

Your determination to defend what Putin has been doing is pretty creepy and quite a reach - there is no equivalency and you couldn't prove it with your 'crack' research of opinions.

[Hoyt]

40. You obviously did not read the articles. We have spies too you know.

[spanone]

30. i agree, it sounds like something your aunt would do in the kitchen

waaaay too kind

[blm]

39. Famous meddlers: Mr. Roper, Gladys Kravitz, Lucy Ricardo, Barney Fyfe, Mrs Drysdale.

yeah….that's exactly the benign behavior that Putin was going for.