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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:22 AM Jul 2017

Cop feels threatened by unarmed black guy lying face-down on the ground, shoots him in the back.

TL;DR
Unconfirmed whether cop was in uniform or in a police-car. Unconfirmed why he was even there in the first place.
Cop demands ID, people say No.
Cop orders them to lie on the ground.
People lie on the ground.
Cop panics and shoots helpless guy in the back, killing him.
Cop has nervous breakdown and doesn't call for ambulance or police back-up.
Girlfriend of dead guy gets charged with trying to kill the cop.



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http://www.theroot.com/dejuan-guillory-was-unarmed-lying-on-the-ground-when-a-1796731246

There are several questions as to why LaFleur was parked in the middle of nowhere at 4 a.m. in the morning. The police department says he was answering a burglary call. It is unclear whether LaFleur was on duty, in police uniform or even in a marked car, but both Guillory and his girlfriend recognized LaFleur as an officer.

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In the recording, Long affirms that Guillory was on the ground with his hands behind his back, begging for his life, pleading “please don’t shoot me, I have three kids,” when Paul Lafleur first shot Guillory. Long states:

“They were both on the ground. Guillory was on the ground, on his belly, his hands behind his back, and the officer had a gun trained at Guillory’s back, maybe a foot or two from Guillory’s body. They were still arguing back and forth but Guillory was on the ground as directed. His hands were behind his back. He was not resisting. All of a sudden, a shot rang out.”

According to Long, DeQuince Brown then jumped on the officer’s back to prevent him from killing her boyfriend and bit LaFleur (hence the reported injuries to the officer). LaFluer then fired three more shots at Guillory.

Long also states that two ambulances came to the scene, but “One ambulance loaded the deputy in and took him to the hospital. The other one left empty. When she left in a police car, Guillory’s body was still on the gravel road.” When asked if anyone treated Guillory, the attorney added, “As far as she knows, she never witnessed anybody attempt CPR for Guillory. It may have happened, but she didn’t see it.”

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But of course, LaFleur did as he was trained and immediately called for backup and medical care, right?

Nope.

Doran told The Root that the deputy went back to his car and stayed there for an extended period of time. However, during their altercation, LaFleur happened to drop his police radio, and it was Brown who called for help, using LaFleur’s radio.

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It started immediately. LaFleur said he was attacked, so DeQuince Brown was arrested on attempted first-degree attempted murder of a police officer. Then the police announced that LaFleur (who was parked on a dirt road at 4:10 a.m. with his lights off) was in the area answering a burglary call (even though no one in the area knew of such a burglary).

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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
1. I hear the MSM kissing Trump's ass over his "western values" speech
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:24 AM
Jul 2017

But shit like this goes on. I don't buy the myth they're selling.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
2. Third world police state on blacks. I'm sure it always was,
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:42 AM
Jul 2017

but now it's out there, on cell recodings, videos. We are seeing it , even though we claim to be a society that doesn't tolerate it.

cpamomfromtexas

(1,245 posts)
5. Only thing that will stop this are "accountability" laws
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 07:55 AM
Jul 2017

And representatives that will create those laws.

Need to apply to all police, judges,and prosecutors.

For example: if false evidence is used or evidence was hidden , then they get 10 times the punishment.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
6. Body cams and car cams make prosecution a lot simpler
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 08:34 AM
Jul 2017

At some point, cams will be cheap enough and small enough that everyone will have one on at all times.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
9. It's not necessarily new laws that will stop it, with the exception of creating Special Prosecutors
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:23 AM
Jul 2017

for police shootings. It is enforcement of the laws that is lacking and a judiciary willing to follow the law. The local DA's work with their police departments day-to-day and then are supposed to investigate, indict, and prosecute police the same as other suspects. They do not as Ferguson has demonstrated.

It is also in the make up of Grand Jurys. In some jurisdictions DA's get to pick people from the overall jury pool to be on their panel. This allows them to stack the deck with law enforcement and their relatives. This is a recent change from the past procedure but it is spreading to other jurisdictions.

There are a lot of changes happening, none of them good in our legal system. Tort reform has made it harder to hold big companies, doctors and hospitals, insurance companies, and of course the police, liable for the harm that they cause. Most people do not understand what a tort is and blindly vote for tort reform when it comes up on their ballot.

Recently, Democrats in Washington in a statement that they would work with Republicans, mentioned tort reform as an area they could work together with a bi-partisan fashion. They passed 5 new tort reform laws making it harder to sue in a Class Action among other things. Class Actions are the primary tool to hold big companies liable when they harm large groups of people. They have already given immunity from suit to generic drug manufacturers.

Getting back to this issue, until we can reliably depend upon prosecutors investigating and prosecuting cops who violate the civil rights of blacks and everyone else we will not get justice not deter cops from conduct such as this!

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
11. I think some of the old laws may be a problem
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 09:55 AM
Jul 2017

The whole "reasonable fear" is all that is necessary for police to shoot someone done. It seems like they would get in more trouble if they beat someone than they would if they shot somebody.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
12. Perhaps the definition of "reasonable fear" could be tweaked, but it is still the lack of will to
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 10:04 AM
Jul 2017

prosecute that is the problem. The prosecutor is the one to argue that the officer's fear was not reasonable under the circumstances and they just don't want to. That is the difference, they take a situation like this and will make excuses why the cop had to do it and that his actions were in reasonable fear for his life. It is not the standard used but the lack of will and effort to prove it wasn't reasonable.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
8. I think I know what he was doing there..
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 08:52 AM
Jul 2017

he was on the hunt.. That's sure what it sounds like. He was hunting and it's open season on American citizens, especially black ones.

aikoaiko

(34,162 posts)
14. After The Walter Scott murder by police I will not give the police the benefits of the doubt
Sun Jul 9, 2017, 12:43 PM
Jul 2017


Unless there is definitive evidence showing it was self-defense, it's just as likely to be murder in my mind.
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