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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBREAKING: Trumps Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
spinbaby
(15,088 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)My sister...who is a Republlican and they hardly ever watch the news.😢 At least my B-in-L is a
Democrat. They don't discuss politics often so I'll miss a lot of good politics.
MelissaB
(16,420 posts)and that usually doesn't happen.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)Republican President Trump accepted Putin's denials and did not get anything substantive from him on the issue. Quite the opposite. He agreed to setting up a cyber security channel with the Russians.
They met Friday. That gives Saturday for the source(s) of this article to give the go-ahead or fill the last points needed by NYT to satisfy their journalistic criteria. Articles are often in development for a few days or weeks before they are published.
That would explain the timing of this information.
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)that sounds like collusion to me.
kentuck
(111,072 posts)They covered it up for a long time.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)EVEN THAT TIME ON LIVE FUCKIN' TV WHEN HE ASKED THE RUSSIANS TO HELP HIM WITH HILLARY.
All I can do is laugh at the absurdity of this world now.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)same old playbook
MelissaB
(16,420 posts)Turbineguy
(37,312 posts)"in a private capacity" canard.
Demtexan
(1,588 posts)No one made him go.
Sad.
The heat is on.
Julian Englis
(2,309 posts)"Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason." John Harington
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)dsc
(52,155 posts)but Kushner lied both to the Senate and to the rest of the government while getting his security clearance. Both of those are illegal.
dalton99a
(81,426 posts)onlyadream
(2,165 posts)flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)So unless the three of those men where there to adopt Russian babies themselves, they were TALKING ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY.
Assuming one buys this "adoption" crap.
Which is it, liar? Or would you like to try a third answer?
canetoad
(17,148 posts)About Russian/American adoptions?
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)So even the cover story is the candidate meddling in foreign policy. On the face of it, Republican Trump gang was undoubtedly asking for a quid pro quo: lift sanctions after Putin lifts adoption ban. So the cover story is a crime on par with Nixon-Kissinger meddling in Paris Vietnam peace talks October 1968 and Reagan dealing arms to Iran for hostages Oct 1980.
But of course the subtext, as we are knowing more and more, was that Republican President Trump would collude with the Russians to receive support & dirt from their hackers & bots. The payback would be lifting sanctions. The smoke & mirrors would be Putin lifting the adoption ban so that it would seem as if lifting sanctions was only tied to the adoption ban.
excerpts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Peace_Accords#Claimed_sabotage_of_negotiations_by_Nixon_campaign
Bryce Harlow, a former White House staff member in the Eisenhower administration, claimed to have "a double agent working in the White House....I kept Nixon informed." Harlow and Henry Kissinger (who was friendly with both campaigns and guaranteed a job in either a Humphrey or Nixon administration in the upcoming election) separately predicted Johnson's "bombing halt". Democratic senator George Smathers informed President Johnson that "the word is out that we are making an effort to throw the election to Humphrey. Nixon has been told of it".[3]
According to presidential historian Robert Dallek, Kissinger's advice "rested not on special knowledge of decision making at the White House but on an astute analyst's insight into what was happening." CIA intelligence analyst William Bundy stated that Kissinger obtained "no useful inside information" from his trip to Paris, and "almost any experienced Hanoi watcher might have come to the same conclusion". While Kissinger may have "hinted that his advice was based on contacts with the Paris delegation," this sort of "self-promotion...is at worst a minor and not uncommon practice, quite different from getting and reporting real secrets."[3]
Nixon asked the prominent Asian-American politician Anna Chennault to be his "channel to Mr. Thieu"; Chennault agreed and periodically reported to John Mitchell that Thieu had no intention of attending a peace conference. On November 2, Chennault informed the South Vietnamese ambassador: "I have just heard from my boss in Albuquerque who says his boss [Nixon] is going to win. And you tell your boss [Thieu] to hold on a while longer."[4] In response, President Johnson ordered the wire-tapping of members of the Nixon campaign.[5][6] Dallek wrote that Nixon's efforts "probably made no difference" because Thieu was unwilling to attend the talks and there was little chance of an agreement being reached before the election; however, his use of information provided by Harlow and Kissinger was morally questionable, and vice president Hubert Humphrey's decision not to make Nixon's actions public was "an uncommon act of political decency."[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Surprise_conspiracy_theory
The allegations that the Reagan team subverted the U.S. government's attempt to resolve the hostage crisis were generally regarded as an unsupported conspiracy theory until the Iran-Contra affair was exposed in 1986, which showed that the U.S. government had made a secret deal with the Iranian government in 1985 to covertly supply Iran with arms, with the funds being used to support the Nicaraguan Contras. Investigations of the Iran-Contra affair, in which the Central Intelligence Agency played a central role, made the 1980 October Surprise allegations, in which Iran and the CIA also figured, seem less implausible, leading to more serious investigation of the claims.
Skittles
(153,138 posts)they don't even care about kids in AMERICA
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)SweetieD
(1,660 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,442 posts)Concerned DUers can't jump in and say this is fake news.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,013 posts)malaise
(268,847 posts)This is madness
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Make him rat Daddy out.
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)mucifer
(23,522 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)to send out to those 1200 radio stations
winstars
(4,219 posts)They are a crime family. But a really bad one.
Think about the whole tRump "family" thing.
They have all watched The Godfather, Goodfellas, Raging Bull and other great works of art like many of us here.
But they seemed to learn all the WRONG things from these films, despite trying to act and dress the part; to some they are all fake tough guys and girls.
Lets see them all learn how to cook while in Federal prison!!!
I have seen it before and these current clowns are more "The Gang That Could't Shoot Straight"
Unless they manage to get everybody killed first...
Kingofalldems
(38,442 posts)MiddleClass
(888 posts)Going to be a very good week. By the looks of it
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,442 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,727 posts)was a bit bigger than the blown-up egg one!
Johnny2X2X
(19,015 posts)There is no doubt.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,015 posts)The level of collusion is all that needs to be proven now.
The Trump campaign almost assuredly shared their voter profile info with the Russians so they could target individuals for fake stories. I have no doubt this will be proven.
All of that is obvious. How they tried to hack voter machines with the Russians will be next up. And I think they probably succeeded in stealing votes from these hacks.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)None of them disclosed it, as required. Poor Jared took all those calls from EVERYBODY IMAGINABLE so how could the lad be expected to remember a meeting with a known Russian operative, who, BTW, just happened to claim to have "damaging information" on Hillary Clinton DURING THE CAMPAIGN? And Junior now claims that only after "pleasantries were exchanged" Ms. Veselnitskaya casually said she had that damaging information, which, according to Junior, made "no sense."
How stupid does he think we all are?
Oh, and from the same NYT article, there's this little gem re the Magnitsky Act that Veselnitskaya was trying to fight:
(beg quote)"An infuriated Mr. Putin has called the law an outrageous act, and, in addition to banning American adoptions, he compiled what became known as an anti-Magnitsky blacklist of United States citizens.
Among those blacklisted was Preet Bharara, then the United States attorney in Manhattan, who led notable convictions of Russian arms and drug dealers. Mr. Bharara was abruptly fired in March, after previously being asked to stay on by President Trump." end quote)
So THAT mystery is now solved. Putin wanted Bharara gone. Donnie said "no problem, Vlad." Most likely the abrupt firing of all the U.S. attorneys was a cover for Mr. Bhara's firing.
struggle4progress
(118,270 posts)anything interesting, so I left after an hour or two. Besides, as my father has already said, she wasn't that attractive."
janx
(24,128 posts)In his statement, Donald Trump Jr. said: It was a short introductory meeting. I asked Jared and Paul to stop by. We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at the time and there was no follow up.
He added: I was asked to attend the meeting by an acquaintance, but was not told the name of the person I would be meeting with beforehand.
Trump Jr. statement Sunday (to New York Times):
In a statement on Sunday, Donald Trump Jr. said he had met with the Russian lawyer at the request of an acquaintance. After pleasantries were exchanged, he said, the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.
WHAT CHANGED? Why did he change his statement? Lawyer?
There is a lot more coming, too, I am sure.
SweetieD
(1,660 posts)Mr. Evil
(2,833 posts)Please hurry up and arrest these treasonous, traitorous motherfuckers already! What in the ever-loving-fuck are you waiting for?! There's already probably a mountain of fucking evidence against all of them going back 30 years categorizing dozens of illegal activities. Probably hundreds! Arrest them now!!!
.99center
(1,237 posts)Skittles
(153,138 posts)mgardener
(1,814 posts)Look good in orange?
Theses people are despicable. And the Republicans that support this family are no better.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Lock them up