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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNancy Pelosi is a Democrat. She's also a powerful leader
of the Democratic Caucus in the House. Attacking her at this time is maybe one of the worst things any Democrat could do. It makes absolutely no sense at all. We don't need to try to get rid of Democrats. We need to elect more of them. That should be our goal, and our focus from now on.
Representative Pelosi is from a congressional district in California. She represents that district. She has been elected to leadership positions in the House by other Democrats. But she is a local representative from San Francisco. If you don't live in that district, you have literally nothing to say about her election or reelection. If you are not a member of the House and a Democrat, you have nothing to say about her being in the House leadership.
Look to your own state, instead. Look to your own district. Elect more Democrats where you live. If you don't vote in Pelosi's district in California, you're wasting your energy. Instead, put that energy to work to register voters and get them to the polls in 2018, so we can regain majority control of the House. Work so hard that Democratic voters overwhelm Republicans in that election.
In Georgia's 6th Congressional District, a Democrat almost flipped that district in a special election. Almost. But, here's the deal: Almost 40% of registered Democratic voters in that district DID NOT VOTE. Imagine what would have happened had they voted. Ossoff would have won in a landslide. That's the work people need to be doing in their own districts. Get people out to vote. Get people registered. Do that and we win. Fail to do that, and we lose. It is that simple!
Leave Nancy Pelosi alone unless she's your Representative. She gets elected again and again because the voters in her district vote for her. If you don't live there, please turn your attention to the congressional districts in your state. Do what really makes a difference, please and forget about what doesn't.
Thanks for reading this.
stonecutter357
(12,693 posts)MineralMan
(146,254 posts)Sometimes, the divisiveness and disorganization gets to me. We need to focus on what can be done that will help, not on things that won't.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)MineralMan
(146,254 posts)she decides to retire. And the Democratic Caucus will keep electing her as a leader, as long as she is successful as a leader. I'm more concerned with flipping two Republican districts here in Minnesota. I'll let San Francisco choose its own representation and the House choose its own leadership.
There's plenty of work to do near me.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)I thought that supporters of the *Democratic* Party would get that.
emulatorloo
(44,058 posts)She holds the Dem caucus together and keeps them in line, as a United body resisting Trump's agenda.
You may or not value the difficult work she does, and that's fine.
I ask that you not bash your fellow DU'ers by taking a single word out of context and being overly literal about it. There is not a single person here who does what you accused your fellow DU'er of.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)which are sexist in my view...no I didn't say you were...I said 'some'. And putting the Democratic Party in asterisks is not an indication that you support the Democratic Party...we all support the Democratic Party here...very odd.
Yeah, youre right... poster should have put the word "Democratic" in italics, or maybe bolded to highlight that word in their sentence... this crap is so dumb.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)Why else would you do it?
KTM
(1,823 posts)So, you know bold and italic and underline are currently disabled on this site by the admins, right ?
So, if you want to emphasize a word in a sentence, and you cant use those, what do you do ?
"Oh wait, I have a damned asterisk key! I can highlight a word in my sentence now !!"
So, one can emphasize the word *Democratic* in a sentence, to draw attention to that word and illustrate a point; then the reader might imagine the inflection, and infer the irony that members of the *Democratic* party would not recognize things that are dangerous to a *democracy*.
Ugh. This petty "Holier Democrat than Thou" shit has got to stop.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)The idea of writing something is to convey meaning. This does not do the job . I reviewed the post and don't seen how underlining Democratic Party changes it...what other meaning is there...that some how the Democratic Party is suspect...or whatever...fill in the blank. It meant to me that even a Democratic supporter should understand this yada yada.
This is why we cant have nice things. You *intend* to argue, you see enemies everwhere, and as a result are *intentionally* choosing to be obstinate. Even in a simple little issue over *typesetting*, you must be right and everyone else wrong.
Quotes, in the way you describe, similar to "air quotes" made with ones fingers, might be used to denigrate by implying that a word is being used sarcastically; for example, something or someone might be described as "genius" when actually quite dense. But the poster didnt do that. Nor did they put their punctuation around the entirety of the words "Democratic Party" as you suggest. To do so might have legitimately caused a misinterpretation.
But no, in this case a *different* choice of puncutation was used to highlight a specific word. Its simple and clear English, you just want to make hay of it. There is no "whatever," and no blanks to be filled in - to do so is to concoct an argument where there was none - but perhaps you knew that too.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)the word Democrat...I am not trying to be argumentative...I really am curious what it could mean.
KTM
(1,823 posts)The post you replied to says in full:
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"No politician "deserves" support. That's as very dangerous attitude in a democracy. I thought that supporters of the *Democratic* Party would get that."
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It is VERY clear.
We cherish government by and for the people. We are a representative form of government. No politician DESERVES any vote, regardless of their party affiliation or last name or who they know or how long they have had their position... It is our job as informed and educated citizens, aided in theory by a free press, to evaluate the candidates for any position ourselves and determine whether we believe they are worthy of OUR individual vote and support.
To shed that responsibility, to forego our individual duty and instead allow our choice to be dictated by someone else (i.e., "you must support The Party," or "If you want to keep your job you will vote for Candidate x," or "Dont criticize a candidate/politician because we are at war and that is more important" weakens the most fundamental portion of Representative Democracy - the right and duty of each individual voter to assess the candidates and make their own informed choices.
The post said, quite simply, that no candidate is automatically entitled to a vote or to endless support. You may think Pelosi has earned your support, but you dont get to make that decision for anyone else - thats how Democracy works.
The poster simply says that the uncritical attitude that says "he/she is one of us, thereby DESERVES our support" is anathema to the the principles of democracy, and finds it ironic that members of the *Democratic* party (i.e., the party that is named for this very idea, this specific form or representative government) are so willing to insist that ANY candidate/politician is automatically DESERVING of our vote/support.
I take no position on the underlying argument with regard specifically to Pelosi. I am digusted by the fact that this board devolves into these petty "Im a better Dem than you" arguments that are so often (as in the case here) inflamed by either honest misunderstanding or willful ignorance. Most of it feels like intentional goading to argument, i.e., trolling, by people who just want to argue and fight because "winning a fight on a message board" is the new drug of choice.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)Democratic always. I just don't agree...I think there was snark there but who cares? I weary of those who are waiting for everyone to inspire them or earn their votes...vote Democratic or the GOP gets in, and it gets way worse. I think personally Nancy has done a great job. Thanks for taking the time to write that lengthy post...took some effort and it gave me another perspective.
Wounded Bear
(58,596 posts)This whole "fight for the soul of the party" line is rather distressing. Like you said so eloquently...if you really want to "change the party" do it at the local level. Get active and get someone elected that you like. If anybody is truly interested in rebuilding the party from the ground up, they won't start by decapitating the party at the top.
All politics is local.
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)This is a common frustration I hear from Dem workers for campaigns is that in many supposedly red or purple areas of the country our people seem to believe that defeat is a foregone conclusion so why bother voting. No point even trying. Got better stuff to do apparently.
I thought for sure Trump and the current group of sociopaths occupying the GOP would be motivation enough.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)vote away.. I proudly voted for Hillary, and was crushed when she lost...
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)Voting is easy, really, but a lot of people don't believe that their vote matters. Those people vote sometimes, but not always. They're registered to vote, but may or may not bother to do so. Each such potential voter has his or her own reasons for voting or not voting.
Campaigning by candidates can sometimes get the reluctant voters out, if it speaks to them adequately. Negative campaigns tend to get negative results, at least on the Democratic side. Well-designed and executed GOTV campaigns can pull in additional voters, but only if local canvassers and GOTV workers are heavily involved. Local, because every election is a local election. Only local people know local issues intimately.
That is our problem, and it's what we have to solve. We have to solve it in every district, and we have to have enough people willing to participate if our efforts are to work. Frankly, that's our most difficult challenge. If we can solve that problem, district district, county by county, city by city and precinct by precinct, we will win. If we don't, we will lose in places we should win.
Democratic voters tend to want to vote FOR something, not AGAINST something. Republican voters tend to vote AGAINST things. Republicans use fear, prejudice and other tactics to get out the vote AGAINST. That won't work for Democratic voters. We have to give them something to vote FOR to get them to the polls. And that something has to be relevant to them.
It's a local thing, and only local activists can get the job done. We need volunteers in every area to deliver the votes. That's the only thing that will work.
Stargazer99
(2,575 posts)The electorical vote can be bought off just like our representatives
Caliman73
(11,724 posts)Voting against something or someone is not as motivating as voting for something or someone. I did not vote against Trump, I voted for Hillary Clinton because I know that she would be a great President. The problem is that I knew that despite all of the crap that the media was putting out there on her "negatives". The job of the GOP and Trump campaign was to keep things negative because that suppresses participation. Trump's people knew that he did not have the numbers, but that he had a motivated group of followers who would turn out. Democrats always do better when more people vote because our message is usually more positive. I think that Hillary's campaign staff made a mistake in leading with the whole "Trump is unfit..." message. We certainly know that he is, but the strong focus should be about what we are going to do together to help every American get what they need to live and also have some comfort and hope for the future.
The Democratic message can be a little harder to sell than the Republican message because we are looking at how government can be involved in helping people, where the Republicans are only looking to scare enough Democratic voters away from the polls to make sure they squeak by.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I think this need to fall head over heels in love with a candidate in order to feel that you are not soiling yourself by voting, on the part of many on the left, is what will be our demise.
My personal view is that any Democrat is better than any Republican or most Independents, because a Democrat will at least feel somewhat of an obligation to vote with our platform.
BadgerMom
(2,770 posts)MineralMan
(146,254 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)mcar
(42,278 posts)Attacking our strong Democratic leader, at this time, makes no sense if you want to see Democrats win.
Longshot but consider: Dems take the House back in '18. Trump and Pence go down in flames of corruption.
Nancy Pelosi is the 46th President of the United States.
A girl can dream, right?
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)exercise, really. I don't like to see it happening, especially from people who aren't even in that Democrat's constituency. When people from other places attack elected officials, it does no good, but can do much harm. I wish people would work on getting more Democrats elected near where they live. That would help a lot.
mcar
(42,278 posts)I'm delighted to see so many Democrats running for office for the first time. They won't all be successful, but we need to be challenging Republicans, not beating each other up or demanding purity.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)they already voted for Pelosi earlier this year. She destroyed her mediocre opponent whateverhisnameis and this matter is really over.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)This site is user-moderated, by design. It's not Skinner's job to control the conversation, and he doesn't want that job, I think. It's us. We really are the ones that run this forum, or can be. DU is set up to let us do that. We should do that, I think.
Which is why I'm trying to counter the anti-Pelosi nonsense by starting this thread. Thanks for participating in it!
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)I'm not saying he's wrong for it but he does control what can and can't be discussed. For example we can't refight the 2016 primary.
melman
(7,681 posts)Supposedly. It actually happens constantly.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Hekate
(90,542 posts)lapucelle
(18,187 posts)So are men, but it generally only counts against women.
My Democratic congresswoman is actually part of the anti-Pelosi faction. I live in a very red area of a very blue state, so we're lucky to have a Democrat in that particular seat.
The next time I run into her (and I do occasionally run into her), I'm going to let her know what I think.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)DK504
(3,847 posts)I voted for her when she ran for Congress and voted for her 4 more times. When I wrote her, it was about a serious problem that involved ALL Americans, since she was at the time the Speaker of the House, the leader of the House of Representatives. I got a response that basically mirrors this: "If you don't live in that district, you have literally nothing to say about her election or reelection. If you are not a member of the House and a Democrat, you have nothing to say about her being in the House leadership. "
I absolutely refuse to believe that and it is not true. She was the Speaker of the House, she had to handle legislation for ALL Americans, yes, she had to vote for the best interests for her districts, however, as Speaker and now Leader her obligation is to all Americans.
It has been her job to get legislation through the House that affects ALL Americans, not just her district, but those in Mississippi, in California (even those in Orange County) or in Indiana. Legislation like The ACA, THAT is something that isn't just a district issue, it is a national issue and she had better understand it is her job to wrangle the Democrats into voting on legislation that is for the good of ALL Americans. If not, why the hell do we have a Congress? So they can levy taxes on us and they don't pay any themselves? Or so they can commit insider trading with impunity while I couldn't get away with refusing to pay for a parking ticket. If that is the case we need to disband the UNITED States and turn into 50 tiny countries. There is no point in having a centralized government working for the good of the people if they aren't working for the good of ALL the people.
If we should just stick to our own districts than there should be NO need to send money across state lines to get Democrats elected in districts that can be turned Democratic, that has to stop if that is the case that everyone is on their own.
I refuse to believe that we should just let members of Congress get away with not taking all Americans into account. If she is to vote on legislation that had far reaching ramifications for North Dakota shouldn't North Dakota citizens let her know what her vote will do to their state.
I write Adam Schiff, he represents Pasadena, Ca. he still casts votes on legislation that affects me, you, my family, friends and neighbors. Do I agree with everything he says? No. Do I agree with everything "Leader" Pelosi says? No, that doesn't mean I don't have the right to tell her I disagree. I thought this was still America and we could speak to who ever we wanted.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)Whether they hold a leadership position or are just a voting member, they answer to their own constituents. Yes, they do affect national policy, but when it comes to being elected, it's their own district that matters.
So, they do tend to listen to and answer their own constituents over those from other areas. Is that the right thing to do? Perhaps not, but when you consider the amount of mail, emails, etc. they get, they deal with it as best they can.
We have far from a perfect system of representation, but it is what it is. So, I recommend electing Democrats in your own and neighboring district, so you'll have someone to write to who will pay attention to you. It's worth the hard work that's involved in getting them elected, I think.
Frankly, none of us has any real influence on elections outside of our own states. So, we should focus on those.
peggysue2
(10,819 posts)said it herself: "'I'm worth the trouble."
Whatever 'trouble' people have with her, it's trouble for the Republicans, not Dems. Because she's fierce and unrelenting and proved her leadership skills again and again.
Get a clue!
I find it curious that whenever the flame is turned up on Trump et al or the GOP in general, we hear a Pelosi screech or another lame 'whataboutism' cry.
Deny Republicans the narrative, damn it.
The problem is Kansas (or any other red state) is GOP lies, obfuscation and endless distractions from their own corrupt and crumbling philosophy. Trickle down economics? Pretending their healthcare program is a 'choice,' a road to FREEDOM? Yeah, the freedom of death and misery. Climate change is a hoax, even though the US military is fixated on the fallout? Even this reticence about DT and his family acting like a mafia clan is a clear indication that the Party of Lincoln is in ruin, members only concerned about their own political skins. The Nation's viability has become secondary to greed, deception and winning, at all costs.
This is the story. Nothing else comes close. Dragging down our own members is not only stupid but insane.
Mineral Man is absolutely correct. We need to concentrate on electing more Dems, not bashing our own people or spreading Republican misinformation.
The race for 2018 is underway. We cannot allow the GOP to write the future. Because there's too much at risk.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)I suspect some of the attention that she is getting here on DU is from trolls..
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)start my own OP, rather than to fight it out in those threads. We also have a lot of frustrated DUers who live in districts with Republicans who keep getting elected to House seats. I understand the frustration, of course, but attacking Democrats from other states and districts accomplished nothing for those frustrated DUers. I'm sorry they're in that situation, but I don't like to see people from, say, Texas, attacking Democrats who hold seats from California districts. Texas has seats that can be flipped. That's where their efforts should be going, in my opinion.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Caliman73
(11,724 posts)I don't like to use words like "troll" because I think that sometimes it is used to stifle legitimate criticism or discussion, but I think that a good number of the complaints regarding the Democratic Party and Nancy Pelosi are trolling and doing so deliberately to inspire division. Perhaps Mr. Ryan had a difference of opinion in the way that the House minority was operating, and it was certainly his right to challenge for leadership, but he lost, that was it... now people need to work with their leader to make things better, not whine about whether she should be leader or not.
NYResister
(164 posts)"Attacking her at this time is maybe one of the worst things any Democrat could do. It makes absolutely no sense at all. "
^^^
exactly. Thank you for the post.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Regardless, she's one of the national faces of a political party that is in dire straits at the moment, and has been for years now really.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)leadership positions. That makes perfect sense. Yes, Nancy Pelosi gets elected again and again in her district. The voters there seem to like her as their representative. Who am I to suggest they choose someone else?
She's a very capable majority leader in the House, and has been a very capable Speaker in the past. That's why she keeps getting elected as a leader by her peers in the House. She gets stuff done within the Democratic Caucus. Right now, Democrats are in the minority. I'm hopeful people will help correct that by electing more Democrats from their own states and districts. Then, she may return to being Speaker. Or not. It's up to the elected Democrats to make that choice. That's not up to me, you, or anyone else, really. What I will do is make sure my district is represented by a Democrat and try to flip two districts to Democrats in 2018, right here in Minnesota, where I live.
Is your House Rep. a Democrat? If so, that's very good. If not, what can you do to make that happen? How about the neighboring districts? Are any of those currently in Republican hands? If so, then you have your work cut out for you, I think.
Caliman73
(11,724 posts)We keep focusing on the "National Face" or "Brand" when the reality is that we lost power when the Republicans sacrificed national power for a bit to focus primarily on local and state races. David Daley in his book "Ratfucked" describes how Republicans focused on local elections after 2008 and poured resources into flipping vulnerable districts and gaining control of State houses to redraw the maps for local and House elections. Democrats have the numbers and the message, but we focus too much on who the next superstar is and who is "establishment v. outsider", and we fail to focus on electing Democrats to local office and building a solid slate of new effective leaders for the future.
nini
(16,672 posts)You don't have to like everything she does but if you are helping the republicans unseat her because they know she gets stuff done - you are the problem on the left. Not Nancy.
And before anyone gets their underwear in an uproar that does not mean you cannot criticize her - just don't cut your nose off to spite your face.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)This forum sometimes...smh
nini
(16,672 posts)You miss the obvious.. but carry on.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)This is NOT the time for democrats to eat their own. No reason to back up the Republicans, as they far too often end up doing.
riversedge
(70,065 posts)ancianita
(35,929 posts)I'm an IL Dem who's canvassed in states on either side of me -- MI and IA.
We need statehouse wins badly for the 2020 census redistricting for House reps, and for fending off voter roll shenanigans.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)That's the real answer that is needed. I hope people follow your example.
ancianita
(35,929 posts)niyad
(113,048 posts)now, to go put on my hazmat gear to deal with the almost unassailable asshole in this district. barf bags, anyone?
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)They think we should do weird things. Why they do that is always a puzzle.
niyad
(113,048 posts)alcohol in the WORLD to make me that stupid!)
Scruffy1
(3,252 posts)Though I disagree with her on some issues, it is up to the members of Congress to select their own leaders. They are much more knowledgable about who can lead than we are. Nancy is old school and knows how to twist arms for votes.
tblue37
(65,216 posts)Hekate
(90,542 posts)sagesnow
(2,824 posts)Always look forward to reading your posts. You are an insightful, articulate voice of reason on this forum, of which I would love to see more.
aikoaiko
(34,162 posts)They can speak, write, attend rallies, attend protests, donate money. Non-district folks can have a lot of say in her reelection.
Having said that I'm not on the anti-Pelosi bandwagon at this time even though she sometimes disappoints me as House Minority Leader.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)If Pelosi runs in her district, she will win handily. It is her district, after all. Look at her history of being elected and re-elected. She has consistently won with an 80%+ majority. I believe you are incorrect, and seriously so.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)or not.
So long as they say she is, I will defer to their judgement. Only they can see the majority of the work she does.