Bernie Sanders Faces Feisty Democratic Challenger
Source: NBC News, by Alex Sietz-Wald
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Jon Svitavsky, a homeless advocate who has never held public office, tore into Sanders for undercutting Hillary Clinton and the Democratic party during last year's presidential primaries.
“I hold him absolutely, centrally responsible for Donald Trump being president,” Svitavsky told NBC News, expressing a view held by other Clinton loyalists. “That's my number-one issue.”
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“I believe that Bernie Sanders’ entire involvement with the Democratic party has been devastating,” he said. “I think it was a big mistake for the Democratic party to let him in in the first place.”
And Svitavsky said Vermont voters are concerned by the FBI investigation into the finances of Burlington College, a small school that Sanders’ wife ran before it shut down under the weight of a bank loan she took out.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/bernie-sanders-faces-feisty-democratic-challenger-n780861
Link to tweet
When Jon Svitavsky looks at the former MP103.3 building near the corner of Dorset Street and San Remo Drive in South Burlington in June 2016, he sees possibilities. Svitavsky, a long-time advocate for the homeless, hopes to convert the building into a shelter.
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The section about pot looks like a conservative's viewpoint. 
The section about him leaving New York sounds like Bernie's story.
I'm looking on an iPhone screen now, so I must be missing something...
truncated and some taken deliberately out of context. One says he is declaring a war on homelessness, but it's under the "religious nut" section. Bernie had some strange college papers exposed --- but he survived. I guess they really do like quirky.
And here I've been doing it the hard way by using the search function.
Glad that's cleared up.
And I also did a search for Jon Svitavsky and there's only one facebook account using that name.
So who should posters believe?
The people who can view the links or the person who keeps claiming they're fake?
The people who clicked on the links and can see these posts were made by Jon Svitavsky or the person who keeps claiming it's someone else?
Here's where he admits he "disagrees with homosexuality":
https://m.facebook.com/groups/330661510362749?view=permalink&id=883577811737780
He refers to transgender girls as 'lady boys':
https://m.facebook.com/groups/163484380439467?view=permalink&id=948275568627007
And here is just one of several posts where he refers to black people as 'oreo':
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=939064236131976&id=100000852257598
And lastly here's the one where he calls Condoleezza Rice an 'oreo' and wants to see her hanged:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=359291220813279&id=100000852257598
I don't get it, why are people claiming they don't exist? And why would anyone support him after reading those deplorable comments?
Vermont has a long history of eccentric politicians but my home state doesn't usually take kindly to hate filled bigots. Negative campaigns tend to backfire in Vermont, just ask Richard Tarrant who spent millions of his own money in 2006 trying to defeat Bernie by flooding the airwaves with ads right out of Karl Rove's playbook and then lost by a whopping 33%. It's estimated he spent $85 for each vote he received and he still failed miserably, so even if outsiders are dumb enough to send this grifter millions he doesn't stand a chance of unseating the most popular senator in the country.
It'll be fun to watch Svitavsky deal with reporters' questions about his nutty comments and bigotry since he refuses to address them on social media. Almost as much fun as watching his supporters try to defend them.
Like referring to his bigotry as "quirky". Who does that? Or accusing people who post the man's own words of "attacking" him. And pretending responding to queries is obsessing.
It's funny, you would think they'd be happy to find out none of those screenshots were actually "edited, truncated and taken deliberately out of context". They asked for proof and now they have it.
You're welcome, Svitavsky fans! Enjoy your candidate! We certainly are.
he suggested primarying a very popular President Obama. Was that a hate-filled goal?
It's also fun watching Svetivsky's detractors. 
The obsession with him and attacking his supposed "facebook" posts is something to his credit, actually.
spending two days pretending that changes the entire context of the rest of what Bernie SAID is just a fool's errand, LOL. 
So many shiny, happy people holding hands. 
Yet the desperation is forcing them to post Vermont newspaper articles that are more critical of Bernie than of his also-liberal challenger. They don't even notice that yet.
And he's not sure he wouldn't use them again?
FAKE NEWS!!! SVITAVSKY WAS FRAMED!! THOSE LINKS LOOK HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS!!1!
Oh dear, this is going to be hard to defend.
I bet they'll try to deflect by changing the subject to Bernie.
Which just shows the collective efforts to smear this person. Busy bees.
Congratulations! 
I kicked this Sunday evening, and then you switched here. Yeah, it's easy to see how the internet works....
This thead is hilarious.
First we were asked to find proof that Svitavsky used those slurs.
So we did that by posting direct links to his posts.
Then they claimed those links didn't exist, were fake, edited, truncated, taken out of context, etc.
So we cited articles which proved that not only did Svitavsky post those slurs, he actually admitted he posted them.
Now they claim Svitavsky is being doxxed and unfairly maligned because we posted the articles.
Oh and apparently continuing to post in this thread is proof of...somehing or other. I'm not sure what that's about.
Posters wanted proof that Svitavsky posted transphobic and racist slurs and now they have it.
They should be thanking us.
*crosses fingers* 
Because you know, pretending Bernie is just as bad will make Svitavsky's slurs okay or something.
whatever could be the reason?? That was up all weekend. 
"Svitavsky is seeking the Democratic Party nomination for the six-year term in the U.S. Senate seat currently held by Sanders. In interviews and social media posts, he has slammed Vermont's junior senator as a "control freak," an "arrogant egomaniac," and an inspiring speaker who has failed to pass legislation.
"I see him as a straw man in the sense there’s all rhetoric and there’s nothing behind it," Svitavsky said."
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/14/meet-man-who-wants-bernie-sanders-senate-seat/460575001/
That's going to be hard to defend. 
Googling Jon Svitavsky's name shows headlines that I'm sure would be alerted if I posted them. hint: they are his comments about Bernie Sanders.
Anyway, looks like the real world is not concerned about post removed, so enjoy your 4th day with this huge topic and the many silly pictures.
STOP DOXXING PEEPLES, ROB!
This is the definition they posted:
"dox" to search for and publish, typically with malicious intent.
Here's the ACTUAL definition of dox:
search for and publish PRIVATE OR IDENTIFYING information about (a particular individual) on the Internet, typically with malicious intent.
Funny how they left out the most relevant part.
otherwise that would have had to be left in. 
Edit: shplelling.
Someone moved from New York.... and smoked pot...
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1122AVyTRXtoz_lC7xoQqnpPh11fY2m4EI60xMk-K2gA/edit
That was supposedly Bernie's charm--no rules, don't worry about being politically correct, etc. Never been there, but these are the things they supposedly like in Bernie.
... and optimistic that a Democrat will take that senate seat. 
and I have seen THIS Facebook post on Jon Svitavsky's timeline - and this ain't it!
I look at his Facebook posts and I don't see " a homophobe, a racist and a bitter, unstable man."
I see exactly what NBC News reported. A "feisty" challenger.
This 'all in' personal destruction is very familiar.
Reminds me of how many BS'ers SWORE they would never support Hillary.
Horseshoe theorists argue that the extreme left and the extreme right are closer to each other than either is to the political center.
wiki!but so far I have seen no representation that duplicates the actual Facebook post.
And to get to that post you would go through thousands of straight-up standard Democratic positions, thoughts, arguments, links, comments and replies!
He has something nasty to say about Condoleeza Rice?
I'm sure THAT isn't tolerated at DU.
Here it is again:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=359291220813279&id=100000852257598
And while I realize some people think racial slurs are acceptable as long as they're directed at conservative politicians I'm not one of them. Others are perfectly free to use whatever slurs they like of course, I wouldn't want to stop racists from expressing themselves. It's always good when they show us who they really are right up front.
And since you want to play the 'what if this was posted on DU' game, Jon called Rice an 'oreo' and said she should be hanged, why don't you post the same thing and let me know if THAT is tolerated on DU.
THAT is not any Facebook post I have ever seen and LINKS to no Facebook post.
And - once more - I have seen the post on his timeline and I have seen no authentic replication of it referenced here!
But let me make this clear to you!
Mr. Svitavsky is a Democrat. He calls himself a Democrat. He is a credible Democrat, warts and all!
Senator Sanders (I-VT) is not.
When I join "Independent Underground" we will have so much fun!
Your standards are...well, extreme.
I wonder if Bernie has some indiscretions in HIS past - that seem to be forgivable, tolerable - and acceptable?
Actually - I'm not wondering.
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I don't take them at face value.
I don't dismiss human beings because they use "words" I don't approve.
I guess I'm fairly tolerant and not too judgmental - and since I put up the OP, you can see this wasn't so much a post about "a candidate" as it was about "an idea!"
Do you think that was a flattering picture I posted?
You don't find his use of bigoted slurs against minorities a good enough reason to drop your support of Jon and that's fine, but ignoring facts and calling others "extreme" for pointing out his bigotry isn't going to dissuade us.
I don't tolerate homophobia and racism - that's not extremism - that's liberalism. And I won't apologize for having higher standards than others.
What I find disturbing is the lack of tolerance and understanding of what we say and do over our long histories.
And yes - search Condoleeza Rice right here at DU and you'll see the same thing. People saying vile, nasty things offensive to race and feminism - and people saying how offensive they find it.
I'm stuck being a 'progressive.'
I don't know if I will ever qualify for the 'Perfection Party.'
but those are his posts and no amount of denial is going to make them go away.
Let's review the posts of the Democrat you want me to support unconditionally because he has D behind his name:
Here's where Jon admits he "disagrees with homosexuality":
https://m.facebook.com/groups/330661510362749?view=permalink&id=883577811737780
He refers to transgender girls as 'lady boys', a homophobic slur:
https://m.facebook.com/groups/163484380439467?view=permalink&id=948275568627007
And here is just one of several posts where he refers to black people as 'oreo' which is a racial slur:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=939064236131976&id=100000852257598
And lastly here's the one where he calls Condoleezza Rice an 'oreo' and wants to see her hanged:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=359291220813279&id=100000852257598
Oh and this one is really eye opening, he posted a meme from a tea party website (he seems to like right wing websites and often reposts their articles) that was anti-Democratic and anti-abortion, accusing Dems of being "Brave enough to kill our unborn children but not brave enough to kill our enemies":
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=760857933952608&id=100000852257598
Are you really going to pretend those links aren't from Svitavsky's Facebook account? That's an interesting tactic but not very effective when anyone can do a simple search and see for themselves they came from his personal account. The man is a bigot and his views about transgender people and black conservatives are quite clear.
If you don't find Svitavsky's use of bigoted slurs against minorities a good enough reason to oppose him that's fine, its a big tent, but ignoring facts and calling others bigoted simply for pointing out his faults isn't going to dissuade us from posting about them. His posts on social media are fair game and his supporters need to realize they're going to get reposted here and elsewhere. It's not unfair to repeat the man's own words, in fact it's our duty as informed voters to vet our candidates.
I don't tolerate homophobia and racism and I won't apologize for having higher standards than others. I expect more from candidates but I also realize not everyone thinks racism and homophobia are deal breakers.
Enjoy your feisty challenger! Let the vetting begin!
Some amount of literacy might help the comprehension though, remove blinders and see where the actual bigotry is, denying it won't erase it.
If we are going to review his posts, then, by all means source them. Linking to an "I hate anyone that dares to challenge Bernie" group doesn't quite cut it.
You seem to be repeating things and trying very, very hard to create something that simply isn't there. To odd lengths, actually.
I look forward to links to where bigoted slurs that you assert are proffered, from credible sources that are not functioning at the level of grade school clubs. I am thinking that if actual slurs existed and that an actual argument could be made against him that was not all ad hominems, that something coherent might have been presented here.
I pointed out the facts that were ignored here, the bigotry and spittle flecked misogyny of the club kids, who seem deeply unsettled by someone merely pointing out the faults of his Senator. Yes reflexively calling people bigots for pointing out actual bigotry will not dissuade any of us from pointing out where bigotry is coming from, no matter how desperate the defection, or how one insists language must be distorted.
I don't tolerate homophobia or racism either, nor do I tolerate those who cry wolf to deliberately smear someone to advance a political agenda. These people harm the fight against actual racism and homophobia, which are real things and cause real harm.
I won't apologize for having actual standards, nor will I allow those seeking to undermine the fight we progressives have on our hands to shame those of us who can actually read and don't fall for these online scams over and over again. One would think that after all that we've learned about FB pages purporting to support Sen. Sanders and really seeking so division, some would know better.
I guess not everyone really cares much about actual racism or homophobia, since they use them so cavalierly to play political games. Those who really care and have high standards need to call out this BS.
Enjoy the games if that is what amuses, but excuse us from them, we have a whole lot of work in front of us and no time for this silliness, we've got actual work against real racism, real homophobia, and the misogyny that we've seen oozing out.
Have fun, do consider joining us when playtime is over.
Have fun with Jon, I'm going to enjoy watching him "challenge" the most popular senator in the country. If you think posting links to Svitavsky's Facebook page is "attacking" him just wait until the press gets wind of his history on social media. Of course they aren't paying much attention to him yet because no one is taking him seriously. But those racial and homophobic slurs aren't hard to find. Once you wade through all of the Cookie Jam scores.
links, i.e., fake news.
Let's look at those "bogus links" again...
yup - still there.
https://m.facebook.com/groups/330661510362749?view=permalink&id=883577811737780
https://m.facebook.com/groups/163484380439467?view=permalink&id=948275568627007
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=939064236131976&id=100000852257598
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=359291220813279&id=100000852257598
IT'S NOT TRUE, THOSE POSTS DON'T EXIST!!! FAKE NEWS! BOGUS LINKS!
Seriously, you can't expect people to ignore the man's presence on social media. Claiming it's fake news isn't going to work when everyone can see his posts. It's not "cherry picking" to repost his bigotry. The fact that he hasn't removed them and apologized is also disturbing. He doesn't seem to think there's anything wrong using bigoted slurs.
Anywho, enjoy the campaign. Bon chance!
isolating words or phrases which distort the overall original context. Sources and all.....
Even in this thread, one word was isolated ("tried" , and two days have been spent trying to discredit the poster and pass off his/her comment as "myth". I've seen this all before and wouldn't trust those links.
legitimate or credible. Obviously a person or persons have taken it upon themselves to start a smear campaign about him. Anyone can start a social media account.
Great find!
Online polls are fun for game players who enjoy not reading, aren't they?
Vermont is not the country, and this deliberate disinformation about this online poll has been discussed ad nauseum, but yeah, "Tl;dr" amirite?
If you think you posted links to his facebook page, I'd suggest that you take the time to actually read your links, because boy are you in for a surprise when you realize you posted links from "people who don't like Svitavsky because he dared challenge Bernie"!
Oh I think the press might be tad busy with the history of other writings by the candidates, some of them are quite salacious! Just wait til you hear about THOSE, naturally they might be too long to bother reading, but I'm sure you'll hear all about the past writings, especially when some of them have a byline and the author admits to writing them!
But of course, "they" are too busy trying desperately digging up anything, using all the latest technology and the very latest online slang, to not bother reading things, and just pasting links from propaganda sites on Facebook!
But those who actually took the time to read and understand English, will find it rather hard to find these slurs, but the misogyny on his page from the people who don't seem to have an actual argument to make is rather easy, it includes all the ever so serious attention payed to cookie jam, which apparently was not too long for some to read.
Weird how years of FB posts are not so long to read, but short posts addressed to one are.
Had one waded through the link to see the source, one might have learned why this level of desperation and attacks on the Democrat might be a clue as to why popularity even in Vermont might not be what it's cracked up to be in real life, as opposed to online Facebook groups.
Remember those Albania based "Burlington residents" and their online campaign? Looks like their back again for more good times! Guess they were just having way too much fun and didn't realize they got caught! See what ya miss when ya don't read?
Anyhoo, back to those online games you seem to be enjoying so much you can't tear yourself away long enough to read posts that you reply to anyway.
Toodles!
No one likes to admit they were wrong but this is hilarious.
IT LOOKS FUNNY TO ME SO IT'S FAKE NEWS! SOMEONE USED ALL CAPS, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY IN ON THE CONSPIRACY !!1!
Logical fallacies, logical fallacies everywhere...
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Anyone reading this thread can see what they're trying to do.
Edit: The really hilarious part is that they're saying it isn't Facebook just because they don't seem to recognize the difference between the desktop browser version and the mobile version even though the underlying functionality is the same and it's STILL FACEBOOK no matter how desperate they are to believe otherwise. It cracks me up! "zOMG, computering is soooo hard!
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...means it doesn't work for anyone. 
From that twitter link, you can see others who are attacking Svitavsky. They are also suggesting tracking down any donors and outing them.
Follow the links and you can see it came from a Joe Prince, who is spamming all kinds of doxed material to news outlets to damage this person. That's why you see Joe Prince's name in articles; he's shopping this material, as if that's some big indication that this is some huge story, lol. That's already been discussed in this thread. Nice url's there.
It's not like this has been done before.
And why ignore the Raw Story piece?
It's not as if the author is careful to use the disclaimer "appears" in the headline.
It's not as if the story has Joe Prince's twitter feed as its sole source.
It's not as if the comments read like spam.
Why should anyone get all "déjà vu" over this?
words in the Raw Story "article" that it was shopped material, and Joe Prince just got lucky enough that someone obliged him on something that "appears".
I agree with everything you said. What's funny is that it isn't a big mystery that anything remotely Bernie-ish is posted on the JPR website and they lead you to exactly what they are up to. Some of the "screen shots" are loaded to an odd URL.
And then there's the Google docs. What a sloppy mess. The first one I pulled up wasn't sourced, just a doc about moving from New York and smoking a lot of pot.
And then there was a Readme doc embedded that gave instructions on how to smear this person regarding his addict son and campaign contributions.
"The post was first unearthed by Twitter user Joe Price (sic) and can be viewed below."
Oh dear.
Even the alt right websites that cited Mr. Price (sic) by name this week (for the first time) as an exemplar of the typical "leftist", manged to spell his name correctly. (The story involved an effort to smear President Macron from both the right and the left)
Poor Mr. Price. Oh sorry. I meant Prince.
back to the link on JPR and check it again. Poor Joe P-whatever.
And the "Republican" file actually contains some unsourced picture like a "screen shot" which criticizes Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. Maybe someone misfiled that? Because criticizing the DNC is a prime activity for certain folks.
Yeah, I saw that connection with "Prince" and Macron -- stirring the pot with keeping divisiveness going. Almost like it's planned, hmmm.
it's all irrelevant. Because there are direct links to his FB posts. Right in this thread.
Also that's still not what 'doxxed' means. 
They keep going to other sites to discredit anyone who posted links to those slurs when Raw Story settled the debate once and for all.
Do they think ad homs will change the fact that Svitavsky posted some very bigoted things on social media?
Here's an excerpt from Raw Story's article in case they haven't seen it:
Bernie Sanders’ primary challenger appears to slur transgender people as ‘lady boys’ in unearthed Facebook post
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/bernie-sanders-primary-challenger-appears-to-slur-transgender-people-as-lady-boys-in-unearthed-facebook-post/
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) has a primary challenger in Vermont — and it looks like his past statements have already landed him in hot water.
Jon Svitavsky, a homeless shelter executive director, self-described “Christian liberal” and first-time political candidate, appeared to make transphobic comments on a post he made in a political Facebook group over a year ago.
“So if a lady boy in high school, wants to shower with the girls, we’ll just take his word for it??” Svitavksy wrote in the “Chicago Style Politics” Facebook group on May 13, 2016. The post was accompanied by a link to an article about President Barack Obama’s administration’s move to allow transgender students to use the bathrooms that align with their gender identities in public schools.
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Raw Story reached out to both Svitavsky and the Vermont Democratic Party for comment, but neither has yet to reply.
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Those links are available for everyone to see for themselves, no amount of denial is going to change that fact. They're easily found by anyone capable of doing a simple search on facebook so it's not even necessary to look at screenshots to verify that those posts were made by Svitavsky. I understand why his supporters are trying to deny their existence but it's ridiculous at this point to keep up the pretense after so many people have seen them.
Svitavsky has been exposed in the media as a homophobe and a racist. It's not a question of whether or not he posted those slurs any longer, it's a question of whether or not that's a good enough reason to drop their support of him. It really doesn't matter who discovered the slurs first and exposed him, it's all on record now.
The good thing is that no one is taking him seriously, no one credible anyway. Now that the vetting process has begun it looks like his supporters are in for more disappointment.
If nothing else it hould be fun watching the circus.
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I guess if I tried hard enough I might be able to not see something that everyone else can see. Reminds me of people who have holy visions, the mind is a tricky thing.
I see the posts, you see the posts, others here see the posts, Raw Story saw the posts, many other people are viewing and posting screenshots of the posts and yet some are still saying 'what posts? I don't see any posts.' Or "they look HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS." Or 'poor Jon, he must have been framed by the USUAL SUSPECTS. IT'S CONSPIRACY!' (cue suspenseful music here...dun dun DUN!)
So one side has evidence that the posts exist - links, screenshots, an article in Raw Story, etc while the other side is only able to keep insisting that the posts don't exist or if they do they claim time traveling hackers posted them on Svitavsky’s page as part of some nefarious agenda.
Who are people to believe...
I find it refreshing and admirable when someone admits to having a possible blind spot resulting in a reluctance to accept what's obvious to us and everyone else but it looks like that's not going to happen.
As Spock would say: fascinating
So the USUAL SUSPECTS (ooooo, I love the sound of that, so deliciously EVIL... BWAHAHA!) could easily have taken the Tardis for a spin without anyone being the wiser.
You know how the USUAL SUSPECTS can be, can't leave anything unattended.
...since he's known to have had experiences involving time machines.
...and this guy (stole one, in this case):
and also this guy (stole the same one):
Yeah, baby, yeah!
Wait, do they look worried to you?
Nicely done.
It's been nice working with you again.
Look at 'em. They're all criminals, I just know it!
They are openly readable on Twitter;
First they said it wasn't on his timeline so I posted a link, then they said it looked "fake" and now they claim they can't see it at all.
Yet when we click on the link it clearly shows Jon Svitavsky's post. You can see it, Jim Lane can see it, the op and others admitted to seeing it and yet some are insisting it's not there.
Maybe it's a case of cognitive bias?
But quite fascinating to watch.
You're welcome!
Which is fine for a citizen but watching a potential senatorial candidate refer to voters as "stupid fuckers" and "Berniebots" when they ask questions doesn't do a lot to inspire confidence.
His unhinged exchanges and bigotry are why no one is taking him seriously, I think he only has a few hundred followers and it's not likely many will donate to the guy even if he decides to run since he openly uses his shelter GoFundMe account to pay personal expenses. I don't think anyone credible would want to be associated with Svitavsky in any way.
Svitavsky is amusing at best, at worst he's a lighting rod for the press who will use his posts on social media to tar Democrats.
Anyway, it's nice conversing with someone who's not buying into the ridiculous conspiracy that reposting Svitavsky's own words and USING ALL CAPS is part of some nefarious plot to discredit him.
Maybe. Except for broken/empty links and foreign language headers -- then maybe it's not true.
Read the Thomas Covenant series if you want to know where the name came from.
Low blow!
"Our job is to make sure our party is a good one. Otherwise there's no goddamn point to getting them elected."
Interesting.....
for Democrats. You echo them frequently. But thanks for the invitation.... I'll let your purists ideals speak for themselves. You talk about Democrats in general having to pass the purist musters, not just this candidate. I don't think Democrats need to meet some abstract ideals.
What interests me more in your post is this comment:
"One thing I happen to believe is that people are within their rights to vote as they please, and that there is something rather unseemly about lambasting someone for not voting as you demand."
That's REALLY funny as a post on DU. Were you, by chance, here during the primaries? Did you happen to notice an occasional (insert 
smilie) post that lambasted people for how they voted? In my subject line, the word "cultists" is in quotation marks because that smear was actually thrown at people who supported Bernie. There were, of course, plenty of other such attacks on us, and, yes, there was lambasting of Clinton voters, too.
The fact is that this is a discussion board. People express preferences. If I say "I support ___ in the Democratic primary," that does not constitute a "demand" that people vote that way. In the same vein, I can say that Bernie is a better Senator than Svitavsky would be, and that doesn't mean that I want to remake the Democratic Party to promote one man's career.
Party identity is important to me. I'd like to see a candidate who actually supports the Democratic party in positive ways. Any candidate who's not ashamed to call himself/herself a Democrat is already light-years ahead in my mind. I hope he wins. It would please me very much! We need more Democrats (D) in the senate.
GO DEMOCRATS! 
That's why I'm supporting a Democrat over anyone who could reduce our turnout and negatively impact our Democratic candidates!
That's why I post in a Democratic 'online community'!
And refrain from bashing Democrats! 
Why assume the worst about people who are loyal to the Democratic party?
it happens in Kansas and many places. You cannot make rules that people cannot change their parties. It is one of the reasons it is difficult to win with Democrats in many places. This person will have a nice big, blue D after her name and if she wins the party will tilt right some more. Something to be proud of I guess
Great points.
What I said was that attacking Democrats is wrong. That is what this challenger Svitavsky is saying, and I agree with him. I don't care who Vermont votes for. We've been told at length here that Vermont likes and/or tolerates quirkiness in their candidates, so I'll assume that applies to Svitavsk,, as well. Not to mention, the methods used to discredit him here are debunked within this thread by another poster, so until the mainstream media reports on it, I'll just assume it's another ploy to discredit him.
I also said that this is about a larger message, not win or lose. I also said that Bernie, himself, had a similar method to get his message out when he suggested that a popular President Obama be primaried. All I see Svitavsky doing is starting a dialogue.
But this all points to rather onerous methods, tactics, and trends developing to discredit Democrats in general. I'm over here in California and I see that a very good, progressive Democrat has gotten death threats from the self-described and so-called Bernie progressives because of his position on the single payer bill they submitted. Redon said their bill was more of a values statement and was incomplete, and they completely misrepresented what this Assemblyman's reasons were for withholding that legislation from a vote. Attacking good progressive Democrats is wrong. This progressive said he would put his record up against Bernie's any day.
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article158738529.html
Lastly, the first glances I took of this Svitavsky oppo research link someone posted here had the following curiosities:
--Concern that the candidate Svitavsky moved from New York (yet Bernie moved from New York):
--Concern that the candidate Svitavsky smoked pot (isn't legalizing pot on Bernie's platform?)
Just a quick look at those two items made me think that it was oppo research from a conservative. Why would self-described "progressives" care if Svitavsky smoked pot?
These kinds of dishonest attacks on Democrats are not credible or sustainable.
glosses over the facts that others have exposed here about those phony links. Looks like there is mischief afoot with smearing Svitavsky.
You also gloss over and totally neglect to mention the DEATH THREATS against the California Assemblyman in the link I provided. A pattern emerges in smearing people...
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article158738529.html
And the comments on Svitavsky's real page that George II posted (#309) reflect comments I've read from lots of other sources, and those are what is out there to read when comments aren't censored. Reality. Remember who won by millions of votes...., so obviously there are large numbers of people who have a solid understanding of what happened and why.
No sense going back and forth and trying to convince me that phony links are credible.
I've given more than enough polite attention to saying how and why I don't trust the phony Facebook links posted (did you look at George II's post #309). ANYONE can open a Facebook account. Anyone -- especially those with a motivation to smear a politician's opponents. Enough said. Move on.
What are you even talking about now?? "Wretched hive of scum"???? WTF. Seriously. 
What I said is that where posts are not censored, you will see honest and forthright comments from people -- they voted with the MAJORITY. REALITY.
edit: and you've shown you are not serious if you cannot condemn DEATH THREATS. Death threats against a good, progressive California Democrat. Uninformed snark about single payer shows that forcing talking points is the main goal here.
a Facebook page. But now you insist that an opponent of Bernie's Facebook page is for sure real -- yet it looks like there is more than one page -- so, --of course, the one that you can be critical of is the real, real one. LOL.
I saw you are still more concerned with believer talking points since you again glossed over the DEATH THREATS that a good progressive California DEMOCRAT received.
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article158738529.html
Why would or should Svitavsky comment on what every internet foolio does to harass him. There was an obvious slop folder of oppo research on him that's been distributed shortly after this OP article, so someone or a group are obviously into this type of maliciousness.
Who cares the votes Svitavsky gets -- Bernie, himself, suggested primarying a popular President Obama so that he could get a dialogue going that motivated "progressives". Obviously that wasn't about the votes...
"us"??
And the speaker blocked an INCOMPLETE bill. He is a progressive Democrat. Don't misrepresent.
article. What do you think of the death threats against a good CALIFORNIA DEMOCRAT?? He's a progressive Democrat.
Feel free to actually read the thread.
They traveled back in time, created a fake account that looks EXACTLY like the REAL Jon Svitavsky's and then posted hundreds of times to make him look like bad.
It's the only explanation.
Now we're done!
*this is a Harry Potter reference, no one is calling anyone else a snitch
Bernie supporters attacking Democrats and their supporters - that's old!
Well, I guess that's one way to describe it.
show, too. (this is about the 2012 election).
progressive base. Did he walk that back, too? It's obvious what the poster meant because he was talking about Bernie's own intentions.
And you are the one making it about winning or losing. There is a larger messsge,
So obvious in fact no one has been able to prove it, they just keep repeating it over and over and OVER again. Because if you say something enough times it becomes the truth. Silly Hassin, you know that's how it works.
like what Bernie himself actually SAID, lol. What he said has been posted throughout this thread.
It's just another myth that's been repeated so many times many accept it as fact.
Well done, always fun to watch you work.
And you're accused of parsing words?
If I was still foolish enough to invest in irony meters there would be shrapnel all over the place by now.
You should get screenshots of his bigoted Facebook posts as well, that way you can be accused of editing them and "disparaging" a Democrat too. I hear there's a "cottage industry" springing up to discredit this guy from leftist extremists.
And the irony of your post is absolutely delicious!
(caps mine since we can't bold on DU for now)
"I think one of the reasons the president has been able to move so far to the right is that there is no primary opposition to him and I think it would do this country a good deal of service if people started thinking about candidates out there to begin contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what Obama is doing.… So I would say to Ryan (sic) discouragement is not an option. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IF PRESIDENT OBAMA FACES SOME PRIMARY OPPOSITION"
https://thinkprogress.org/bernie-sanders-says-it-would-be-a-good-idea-to-primary-president-obama-313b4f05f3c1
People can, and will, interpret (or to use the popular term here, "parse" this several different ways, but anyone who has been around politicians in the real world and have been following politics for years, to them and to me that was a call for Obama to be primaried.
He said it, explicitly, twice in the excerpt above.
He flat out said it. Period.
I knew some would come up with their own interpretation/"parsing".
They have a way of ruining false narratives.
Well done.
But that's irrelevant to the original question which was why did you laugh at that poster and say "Oh jeese, this poll again"?
It still doesn't make any sense.
What am i missing?
Your metric doesn't apply.
Many people are viewed favorably or unfavorably.
When a comparison is done within a limited set rather than across the entire group, the best one can say is that a particular person is viewed more or less favorably than others in that group.
Many are briefly among the most admired.
The rare few are most admired.
The most admired the most times is unique.
I hate the hello-kitty-green dragon thing.
I think I'm going to ignore it for a while. Across the board.
Great post again!
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Direct links to Facebook posts and they claim it's 'fake news', it's a smear campaign, the posts aren't even there...
Unreal.
This thread is better than reality television.
...with a D behind their name just to settle old scores...
Good to see you advocating a new brand of politics, rather than the same old 'politics as usual' which was so thoroughly rejected in 2016....
How weird that he makes an effort to present himself more carefully in mainstream interviews.
Why would a person ever do such a thing? I mean it's practically unheard of.
and you don't have to delete!
Rational, unbiased comments are always welcome!
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