Health Bill Would Crush Senate Republicans

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https://politicalwire.com/2017/07/10/new-poll-finds-health-bill-crush-senate-republicans/

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A new Global Strategy Group/Garin Hart Yang poll finds that Senate Republican candidates take an approximately 30-point hit when voters learn they’re supporting their party’s bill to repeal and replace Obamacare.

“The poll found that, in a vacuum, voters in 10 battleground states are split almost evenly about Republican senate candidates — with 21% of voters viewing them favorably and 20% viewing them unfavorably. But when told their Republican senate candidates supported the GOP’s health care bill, voters turned sharply against their representatives. In that case, the candidates’ unfavorability rating jumps from 21% to 52%.”

Key finding: “After hearing criticisms of the Republican plan, voters in these Senate battlegrounds went from leaning toward voting the Democrat in 2018 by a healthy 48 to 38 margin, to leaning toward the Democrat by an even more robust 56 to 35 margin — an 11-point jump.”


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[riversedge]

1. Kaiser Confirms Trump's Own HHS. Finds NO Evidence #ACA Collapsing. On Track For Its Best Yea

Kaiser Confirms Trump's Own HHS. Finds NO Evidence #ACA Collapsing. On Track For Its Best Year https://demu.gr/10141817404

[Squinch]

2. This is why I think we should let them pass it. We would experience terrible hardship, but only

for 2 years. Otherwise, we leave Obamacare there for them to destroy and they say, "See, it can't work." And then healthcare is a political football for another generation. And the terrible hardship has no end.

[mythology]

3. Unless you think we're getting a veto proof majority

We'd be stuck with whatever abomination the Republicans pass until 2021.

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4. Yea.. I'm sure all those that will die in that timeframe love that idea

[Squinch]

5. Yeah. I get that. But right now our only choice is between those who will die in the

two years their program is in effect if they pass one, and those who will die in the next generation in which there is no viable healthcare plan if they don't pass one and kill Obamacare through strangling the money out of it.

After Hillary's healthcare was shot down it was decades before healthcare was attempted again.

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10. Easy to say if it's not your kid or loved one dependent on obamacare now

Why should anyone have to die unnecessarily?

If this is the best we can do then we are more fucked that we realize.

[Squinch]

11. It IS my loved ones. And it IS the best we can do and I am fully and painfully aware

of exactly how fucked we are.

[Chasstev365]

6. I am in agreement with you

Only when healthcare is cut to give Billionaires more tax cuts and $10 minimum wages are dropped to $7.25 will people being to realize that the GOP has been out to screw them since 1980.

Perhaps they will stop voting against their own interests year after year.

[Squinch]

7. It's the hardest and most offensive position to me that I have ever held. I know people will

die. And I KNOW some of them. But it's the two years of non-coverage or the generation of non-coverage. There are no other evident choices.

[Caliman73]

8. We cannot afford to be nihilistic like that.

That is not the Democratic way. We fix, we prevent, we accept and promote that government is a tool of and for the people. If we allow this bill to pass without fighting it every step of the way, then what we are saying is that we capitulate that government is a failure and at the whim of whoever has a simple majority.

What we need to do is propose specific fixes for the ACA including a public option. We need to really study healthcare plans like single payer and hybrids like they have in Europe and other countries, and we need to present the information in a way that people understand what they will be getting.

Republicans like to say that European people pay SO MUCH IN TAXES, but what they (for obvious reason) and Democrats (for unknown reason) fail to say is that European people often have more discretionary income to spend, and much less stress about money, even though a larger percentage of their income goes to taxes. Europeans with similar industrialization and economics to the US, have more free time, more vacation, they do not have to worry about "What if I get sick? I won't be able to pay my bills, mortgage, etc..." They do not typically worry about coming out of college with 40-100 thousand dollar debt or from graduate school with 250k or more in debt. Not to say that there aren't problems in those countries, but here in the United States, we are gamblers, we put things off, we don't by insurance, and then when we get sick we are scrambling around to find help.

We should in no way, shape, or form allow this cruel bill to pass.

[Squinch]

9. We have really studied healthcare. We know the specific fixes that would work for the

ACA. We do not have a hope of getting those things passed until we retake the congress.

In the meantime you have two choices: Obamacare stays and the Republicans in power strangle it, in which case the ignorant electorate will believe Republicans when they say that Obamacare was doomed from the start, or their plan passes and people are outraged and vote for the Democrats in the next election.