Anybody else wonder why no Mueller subpoena

[Gabi Hayes]

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Of the tax returns?

Kerry and he got into it over Muellers BCCI
Coverup, which NObody will touch, including Kerry >>>EDIT: anymore

What's the holdup?

Has he already done it?

Watergate mantra=Follow the money

Not much talk here, either

SAD!

EDiT: thx for all the love!

[jberryhill]

1. How would you know what Mueller has or has not subpoenaed?

[Gabi Hayes]

4. Try reading thread, mmmk?

[Orrex]

13. Ok, I've read the thread, mmmk?

How would you know what Mueller has or has not subpoenaed?

[jberryhill]

15. mmmmmk, I have also read the thread

This thread primarily consists of people asking you why you think you would know what Mueller has or has not subpoenaed, and the absence of a coherent English language response of any sort from you.

[Gabi Hayes]

34. In the op I mentioned specifically that he

may have already done so

Did you miss that?

Also, am typing on a tiny tiny screen, hence the trumplike tortured language.

Sorry to offend your tender sensibilities, but your response here ignores the fact that I allowed for the possibility that you
reamed me for omitting

Which I did not, eliciting my in-kind answer


McKay?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

16. I'm trying. nt

[Gabi Hayes]

35. See #34

Have nice life

[shraby]

2. Mueller runs a tight ship. Leaks are not in his M.O.

[SHRED]

3. Would we even hear about it?

If Mueller has examined them.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. How do you know it hasn't already happened?

These investigations are held very closely, and Mueller is known to be leak-proof. For all we know they have subpoenaed and have received the returns, but they sure as hell aren't going to talk about them at this point.

[Gabi Hayes]

8. Understood, but there's already talk of leaks

If that's happening, this would be mother of all leaks

Why mess around?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. What leaks? "Talk of leaks" aren't leaks.

Who's messing around?

[Gabi Hayes]

14. As per bobbleheads the last few days

Some key leaks came from doj, suggested possibly from Meuller's office

Heard it several times.....not pulling it OOA, if that's what you're thinking

Don't care anyway if they leak like Titanic

Turnabout is fair play

Think THOTP

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

18. There should be no leaks from the Mueller investigation

(and his name is spelled "Mueller," not "Meuller&quot and I don't believe there have been any. It would not be at all helpful if there were.

[Gabi Hayes]

20. Ken Starr might disagree

Did they hurt his inquiz?

Did the outrage over the foul leaking WRT the myriad Hillary
panels do her public image any good?

Leaks happen

If they grease the wheels of justice, mores the better

Why no praise for spelling Mueller right in OP? Picky much?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

21. It's spelled wrong in the OP title.

[Gabi Hayes]

29. Goody. Why so picky?

It's correct in the body

I'm typing on a 4 inch Screen

I hate these monsters more than words can
Express

Very worried about Fitzmas recurrence

Should've put that in OP

OK?

[karynnj]

23. Are you seriously suggesting Ken Starr as a role model for Mueller?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

25. I don't think Ken Starr is a very good example

of how to conduct an investigation.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

26. Yes, Ken Starr should be the gold standard of how an IC investigation should be run.

For sure.

[Gabi Hayes]

31. Jesus....no kid my point is

That THEY get away with everything

WE are allowed zero leeway

Leaks, or the absence thereof, will have exactly what effect on the outcome of his
Investo?

No Repub cultist mind will change, if RM goes leaky free, nor will the "independent" voter be swayed by media fauxtrage over leakage. Let the crooks and liars cry all the way to the outhouse

Their goose is cooked, lacking some sort of mass pre-pardongasm.

The longer it takes for justice to be served,
The harder to fix the havoc already wreaked

[Tommy_Carcetti]

32. In the end, Ken Starr failed. Thankfully.

The entire Clinton impeachment deal has been written off in history as basically a joke where Congress got overly political over a salacious private matter. Clinton left office with approval ratings in the 60 percent rage. Ken Starr's legacy was basically one where he grew too over-zealous and obsessed for his own good, and it impeded his independent judgment.

So there's no way--objectively or subjectively--Ken Starr should be looked at as a comparator.

[bettyellen]

36. Who exactly suggested Mueller is leaking? Every credible report I've seen says the opposite.

In fact they take pains to say it's everyone but Mueller.
Who said this recently?

[Lee-Lee]

12. What do you mean "why mess around"?

You realize Muellers job is to look for and go after any instances of illegal behavior, not to go look for things you want to see and leak them illegally, right?

You don't want him leaking. That would be "messing around" and might compromise the legitimacy of his work.

[Gabi Hayes]

24. Messing around, as in hoping he has tax

Returns, biz recs, in pursuit of RICO

[marylandblue]

17. The leaks seems to be cing fe the White House

Not Mueller's team. So whoever is leaking is serving thwir own private agenda, which may include staying out jail.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

6. These things take time to get them right. Watergate took two years.

Settle down and enjoy the ride!

[Gabi Hayes]

10. I am!!! Oozing with antice

Scadenfreude strikes deep.....into my heart it......key buff spring song

Stayiing up all night frequently

Taping CNN/MSNBC

Watching for shills like miller lord Georgia jack teal competing for nobel prize for most creative rationalizations!

It's the BEST!!!!

[FarPoint]

7. I feel your fatigue...

This day in day out hate attacks from the right, tRumps abuse to everyone and neglect of duty all are compounding the stress...

I'm almost sick.

[Lee-Lee]

11. Several things- mostly that they won't have much of anything relevant

First, you have no idea if it has happened or not.

Second, related to the Russia thing his tax returns probably won't be very relevant to the investigation.

Business records, yes. Much more so.

The business records will show any ties with Russia. The tax returns much less, if anything, relevant. He could have massive sales from one of his companies to a Russian company and his tax returns will just show income from sales, it won't list who they were to.

I'm not sure wht level of detail people expect in tax returns, but they would probably be disappointed. If they are going to subpoena records they will go after the ones that will have the real details, not tax returns that will have very little relevant.

[Gabi Hayes]

19. Tax returns lead to biz records lead to RICO

As whitewater led to blue dress

Very simple

No problem, tho, with protracted agonizing investo, as it should stall the fascist destruction of our systems of gov/economy

See "Democracy in Chains". Amy Goodman had author on.....sort of an expanded version of "Dark Money"

Link follows....

[karynnj]

22. Smearing Mueller over BCCI is unfair - unless you mention that EVERY powerful person

in BOTH parties - even including Ted and Jackie Kennedy and Jimmy Carter begged Kerry to stop. BCCI had managed to coopt powers on both sides of the aisle. In addition, they had coopted international authorities including those in Britain. By the end no one in office in DC - other than Kerry were willing to fight the powers that be on this. Kerry continued until they took his subcommittee away --- and then he and his lead investigator, Jack Blum, took the information to NYC to Morgenthau. http://articles.latimes.com/1991-08-04/opinion/op-458_1_robert-morgenthau

Reading much about BCCI, it is very scary that very very few people were willing to stand up against a Middle eastern bank, that was involved in money laundering and was OBL's bank, was able to actually get a foothold in the US. John Kerry and Bob Morgenthau deserve praise for their integrity, courage and persistence. Singling out Mueller when EVERYONE else was trying to stop them is rather unfair.

One interesting note is that Kerry used that work as the basis for writing legislation that provided tools to follow the money and make money laundering more difficult. Strong opposition from both Republicans and Democrats, including most of the bank committee prevented it from going anywhere until after 911. It was included in the Patriot Act, which Kerry refused to cosponsor because of provisions he disagreed with.

[Gabi Hayes]

27. Why did he fry the little fish and stop there?

Did he not stop?

Kerry accosted him on Nightline, if you care to check more than one source. Why not check that out?

I admire his tenacity re BCCI

The fact remains that it was MUELLER that quit the chase. Kerry was heroic; Mueller,
Not so much

Best regards

[karynnj]

30. I agree that Kerry (and Morgenthau) were incredibly heroic and fearless.

My point was that Mueller was one of many who did less than they should. In Kerry's case, fighting this was done because he thought it was right -- even though it absolutely would work against any Presidential ambitions. It is one of several things that make me respect Kerry more than any other politician/statesman of the last 50 years. (As to accomplishment, without him there would have been no Paris Accord -- and the robustness of that deal has been proven by the fact that even the US pulling out has not killed it or changed the fact that it really has triggered a move to a lower carbon footprint.)

[Bleacher Creature]

28. I think there's a reason we haven't heard much about the Mueller probe.

I get the sense that he's avoiding things that could sensationalize the probe by drawing attention to it. Up until yesterday, all we've heard so far is staffing news. That means that he's waiting to issue subpoenas until the time is right, or that he's managed to do so without a leak.

Either way, I'm pretty confident that he and his team will do what is necessary at each stage of the investigation. And his aversion to conducting an overly public investigation - which could be swayed by undue influence and public sentiment - is all the more comforting to me.

[Gabi Hayes]

33. Yep....hope yer right

Just worried about Fitzmas

Still can't believe that tangerine flake Fhead got as far as he has.
Thx, MSM

Thx for Reagan
Thx for October surprise
Thx for bush one
Thx for Iran contra
Thx for whitewater
Thx for bush two
Thx for the Patriot Act
Thx for Valerie plame
Thx for curveball
Thx for shock and awe
Thx for ISIS (as a result of the previous 4)
Thx for the acceptance/normalization of hate culture.

What else?

The Hugh Hewitt show!

[MedusaX]

37. Possibly because NYAG Schniedermann legally acquired them as part of NY State income tax

Investigation
and then was able to legally agree to work with Mueller
As documentation related to state/federal income tax reporting violations
and the documentation related to the
RICO money laundering/ foreign income/foreign investment aspects of Mueller's investigation
Would naturally need to be compared to see if info supported each other
& if so all documentation could then be cross-referenced in any forthcoming legal proceedings at both the state & federal levels.