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JHan

(10,173 posts)
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 11:32 AM Jul 2017

Koch Brothers Launch Attack to Kill Electric Cars

"When Fueling U.S. Forward launched last August, the organization's president Charles Drevna described the campaign as an effort to rebrand fossil fuels by focusing on the "positive" aspects of coal, oil and gas. This newly released video seems to further confirm investigative journalist Peter Stone's reporting from last spring that the Kochs were "plotting a multimillion dollar assault on electric vehicles."

How do we know that Fueling U.S. Forward is this Koch-funded campaign? First, Charles Drevna, who is leading the effort, developed the concept while serving as a distinguished senior fellow at the Institute for Energy Research, a pro-fossil fuel think tank that was partially founded by Charles Koch and that is run by a longtime lobbyist for Koch Industries. Second, and more concretely, Drevna told DeSmog's Sharon Kelly that he was working with Koch Industries' board member (and longtime Koch brothers' confidant) James Mahoney on the campaign and that it was funded by "one of the brothers."

Echoes of America Rising Squared

Fueling U.S. Forward and America Rising Squared (or AR2) have no public affiliation. Yet within a few weeks in June, both groups launched attacks on electric vehicles using the same misleading arguments and nearly identical language. While the former group is a known Koch-funded campaign to promote fossil fuels, the latter has close ties to the GOP establishment, and has invested heavily in promoting alleged hypocrisy among climate action advocates, even paying "trackers" to follow around the likes of Tom Steyer and Bill McKibben.

In June, as DeSmog reported, AR2 published a white paper that purports to reveal the "human and environmental costs of 'clean energy,'" taking electric vehicles and solar panels to task for their reliance on rare Earth metals. As we wrote at the time:

-Here's what the white paper doesn't mention: many of the very same rare Earth minerals that the AR2 report bashes are critical components of cell phones, computers, cameras, military and defense equipment, and even traditional gas-powered vehicles. What's more, the petroleum refining process is critically dependent on some of the same rare Earths that AR2 lambasts in this white paper.-

The new video from Fueling U.S. Forward echoes the AR2 talking points, almost to the word. "...

https://www.ecowatch.com/koch-brothers-electric-cars-2456866524.html

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Koch Brothers Launch Attack to Kill Electric Cars (Original Post) JHan Jul 2017 OP
Hope they are both electrocuted! Chasstev365 Jul 2017 #1
The Koch's vs Elon Musk padfun Jul 2017 #2
if they were smart they would have invested in renewable tech ages ago... JHan Jul 2017 #13
+1,000!!! Even if they were late to tha party, they should have AgadorSparticus Jul 2017 #26
i work for a auto manufacturer and it is true. the investment in both Takket Jul 2017 #23
Wealthy Luddites Skidmore Jul 2017 #3
They will murder this planet and everyone on it for a dollar profit workinclasszero Jul 2017 #16
No, not Luddites, just greedy old fucks trying to claw their way back to the 19th century... hunter Jul 2017 #17
FUCK THESE FUCKING FUCKERS! Maven Jul 2017 #4
They can try but as they say..... Boxerfan Jul 2017 #5
The sooner they die of old age + stop influencing policy the more lives will be saved in the future Quixote1818 Jul 2017 #6
Agreed! They are both a waste of good oxygen. Raster Jul 2017 #9
Two of the worst human beings alive right now! Initech Jul 2017 #11
Nah, their offspring, accustomed to their lifestyles and comforts, will pick up the dirty torch. n/t dogknob Jul 2017 #19
These wingers are such hypocrites. Even the names of their front organizations are opposite to... brush Jul 2017 #7
The Cock Bros. just need to die. I am tired of their bircher bullshit. Raster Jul 2017 #8
Hell, I hope the Cock Bros. go broke--overnight, if possible! meow2u3 Jul 2017 #25
That ship has sailed. Automakers are going full-on electric. kysrsoze Jul 2017 #10
Yep, and they've enjoyed the advantages of being a behemoth in fossil fuel extraction for so long.. JHan Jul 2017 #14
Yup, those dipshits are fighting a losing battle. Initech Jul 2017 #20
+++ Exactly, and almost zero innovation to be found in extraction atm. JHan Jul 2017 #21
But, but... cleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan coaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal!!!!!! Initech Jul 2017 #22
Swimming against the global markets Yavin4 Jul 2017 #12
+++ JHan Jul 2017 #15
If we can't make the here, they will be made elsewhere. And there goes our trade deficit. nikibatts Jul 2017 #18
"This is not your dad's gas" Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #24
Good. They will meet their match. sharedvalues Jul 2017 #27
Rare Earth Metals Best_man23 Jul 2017 #28
Even the auto makers can see the writing on the wall... Locut0s Jul 2017 #29

padfun

(1,786 posts)
2. The Koch's vs Elon Musk
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 11:35 AM
Jul 2017

This should be interesting. A friend in the car industry told me that most of the automotive research is now going toward electric and battery improvements.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
13. if they were smart they would have invested in renewable tech ages ago...
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 01:02 PM
Jul 2017

now they're bitterly fighting a losing fight... all they're doing is obstructing the inevitable. disgusting.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
26. +1,000!!! Even if they were late to tha party, they should have
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 08:08 PM
Jul 2017

Joined in on the fun. They will still make a shit ton of money....late or not. But that is hard to see when you have your head stuck you your ass.

Takket

(21,552 posts)
23. i work for a auto manufacturer and it is true. the investment in both
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 07:22 PM
Jul 2017

electric and self driving vehicles is huge right now.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
16. They will murder this planet and everyone on it for a dollar profit
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 01:36 PM
Jul 2017

Capitalism's end game is here folks.

Good luck.

hunter

(38,309 posts)
17. No, not Luddites, just greedy old fucks trying to claw their way back to the 19th century...
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 01:48 PM
Jul 2017

... when giant smokestacks spewing poison were celebrated as PROGRESS and generated wealth for a privileged few.


Boxerfan

(2,533 posts)
5. They can try but as they say.....
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 12:05 PM
Jul 2017

That horse already left the barn....

Further cementing their reputation.


Or they could be right because you know they never did come up with an alternative to a horse drawn wagon.


Quixote1818

(28,927 posts)
6. The sooner they die of old age + stop influencing policy the more lives will be saved in the future
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 12:08 PM
Jul 2017

I don't know why they they care so much at their age? They are all in or close to their 80's.

dogknob

(2,431 posts)
19. Nah, their offspring, accustomed to their lifestyles and comforts, will pick up the dirty torch. n/t
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 01:58 PM
Jul 2017

brush

(53,764 posts)
7. These wingers are such hypocrites. Even the names of their front organizations are opposite to...
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 12:12 PM
Jul 2017

what their intentions are: Fueling U.S. Forward, America Rising Squared (or AR2), Americans for Prosperity, The Clear Skies Initiative, The Clean Water Act and on and on and on.

They create these positive sounding names for organizations that work for the exact opposite of what the meaning of their names imply so as to fool the public.

The pure evilness of it just gets to me. I worked on the two Obama campaigns and Hillary's campaign and found myself many times working against Americans for Prosperity in registering voters.

I was a volunteer but the Americans for Prosperity workers were paid for each registrant they got and they were primarily after repug voters. They were so phony in their friendliness and their "all for cause" enthusiasm. It didn't fool me though as we weren't told about them in our org. meetings, so after the first contact with them I googled Americans for Prosperity and found out they were a Koch Brothers-funded group and from then on it was on like Donkey Kong against them.

These people and groups are not to be trusted.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
8. The Cock Bros. just need to die. I am tired of their bircher bullshit.
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 12:15 PM
Jul 2017

Attention Agent Mike: Not advocating violence or murder or ANYTHING illegal. Just making a simple observation.

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
25. Hell, I hope the Cock Bros. go broke--overnight, if possible!
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 07:29 PM
Jul 2017

I'd like to see them either sued out of their ill-gotten fortunes or lose every penny via civil forfeiture for the crimes against the planet.

kysrsoze

(6,019 posts)
10. That ship has sailed. Automakers are going full-on electric.
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 12:28 PM
Jul 2017

Volvo is headed that way, starting with hybrids elec only in 2018. VW has five full EV'a in the pipeline. Chevy has the bolt. Tesla Model 3 is in production. Every euro maker has an electric onslaught coming, and China is heading that way too. There are numerous serious electric car startups and multiple countries looking to ban the gas automobile. It's a done deal, no matter what those fucksticks want.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
14. Yep, and they've enjoyed the advantages of being a behemoth in fossil fuel extraction for so long..
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 01:08 PM
Jul 2017

they wouldn't know how to compete effectively in renewable-tech industry.

Initech

(100,060 posts)
20. Yup, those dipshits are fighting a losing battle.
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 03:32 PM
Jul 2017

They get rich off gas and fossil fuels. But the fossil fuel industry is a dying industry, Renewable energy and clean energy are the wave of the future and if these fossils can't change with the times, then I won't feel sorry for them when they go bankrupt.

Yavin4

(35,432 posts)
12. Swimming against the global markets
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 12:34 PM
Jul 2017

There are billions of people in India and China. You tell me what kind of cars are they going to buy? One that runs on expensive fossil fuels or one that runs on cheap electricity generated by the sun.

The Kochs can buy off all the US politicians that they want. In the end, they're killing the American auto industry and jobs by putting it further behind their foreign competitors.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
27. Good. They will meet their match.
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 09:40 PM
Jul 2017

Unlike most people the Koches fight, Google and Tesla have a ton of cash to fight back.

Finally a fair playing field in which the Koches are fighting other corporations with billions to spend. Here their false arguments will meet their match and be destroyed by the truth.

Too bad the 99.9% can't organize themselves enough to spend hundreds of millions fighting the Koch lies about tax cuts on the wealthy.

Best_man23

(4,897 posts)
28. Rare Earth Metals
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 10:31 PM
Jul 2017

Let's put some detail to this...

Catalytic converters (required for fossil fuel cars) use platinum and palladium, both increasingly rare elements. BTW, one of the biggest sources of palladium is located in....wait for it....RUSSIA. 100% electric cars do not use catalytic converters.

Computers, both electric cars and fossil fuel cars have computers, so the rare Earth metals used in those is a wash. Same for copper used in vehicle wiring. I would be willing to wager an electric car may use less copper by weight than a large car like a Dodge Challenger or Cadillac. I know the wiring in a newer Cadillac comes in close to 400 lbs.

AR2 letter is BS...bunch of Koch suckers.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
29. Even the auto makers can see the writing on the wall...
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 10:34 PM
Jul 2017

As other above said. All the big auto makers are hedging their bets heavily in favour of electric taking off big and replacing the ICE. I'm seeing charging stations pop up all over the place in malls, apartment buildings and government facilities. Even the oil industry itself has been investing in renewables.

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