Breaking - CNN now reporting that there were 8 people in the June meeting

[NewJeffCT]

Link to tweet

Link to the CNN article as well:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/14/politics/donald-trump-jr-meeting/index.html

[tblue37]

1. K&R for visibility. nt

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

2. Interesting case of

group amnesia.

[NewJeffCT]

6. pretty soon, it will be the whole of Team Trump

at the meeting

[Baitball Blogger]

21. Where is the info coming from? What is the source and why is it coming in

through drip, drip, drip?

Did someone wait for Trump to implicate himself further?

[flotsam]

73. Consider this...

With every drip one of the actors have to amend paperwork or change their story...and if someone wants to push the point each change on the paperwork indicates another federal crime with a maximum 5 year jail sentence. For instance Jared with his contacts going from zero to over a hundred could technically face a 500 year sentence. A club like that can garner a lot of cooperation...

[BBG]

182. Sic'em Jeb

Didn't the AG say it was time to throw max charges on every crime? 100 counts could be charged, right?

[BadgerMom]

75. Plus Putin!

I'm sob/laughing.

[VOX]

166. The entire swing-shift of Boeing Aircraft will be in that room...

By the time the actual crowd size is officially tabulated.

Trump & Co. couldn't lie straight in bed.

[MelissaB]

3. K&R

8

[marylandblue]

4. Did Jr. fail 1st grade arithmetic?

[Hortensis]

10. Maybe he forget he could count fingers on BOTH hands.

But we know he's a very slow learner, notably about ethical issues. I suspect he still just can't get his head around the new reality that he and his family no longer can lie, delay, lie, bribe and, worse case, just settle their way out of trouble. No more Rump SOP. Try to throw money at Mueller, and it'll just become another charge.

[LisaM]

45. Exactly. They are just used to doing whatever they want, with no accounting for it.

Well, guess what Trumpies, being in government makes you public servants. I think that is the most difficult thing for them to intellectually comprehend.

[Hortensis]

81. I sincerely don't think it's in them.

Emotionally or (like anything else) intellectually. I used to have hope for Ivanka, but it's unlikely her husband wouldn't be in anything like the trouble he is if her understanding was better.

[marylandblue]

83. Ivanka stole her shoe designs

She's the same crap in a more charming package.

[Hortensis]

90. Yes, but she has her children to worry about. Women

do, generally speaking, tend to react and assign priorities somewhat differently than men, and I suspect if she had understood what any of us would have when Rump started showing viability she would fought to keep her husband from becoming so deeply involved. I wondered back then if the inevitably intense scrutiny would lead to the destruction and intense disgrace of the family. Perhaps it was way too late by then, though.

[LisaM]

129. Why? Did she fight his company evicting a lot of people from their apartments

over crooked late payment schemes, and taking them to court? Because that's the kind of guy he is.

[Hortensis]

136. His "kind," but extremely different situations. Come on.

I know you don't really imagine that those evicted tenants in any way have the kind of power the Kushners have set themselves against by crossing the government of the United States, represented by Mueller's Justice Department investigation at this point.

The one opens the corporation that protects them from liability to civil suits, IF their victims can afford to bring them. Big deal. Worst case, they pay a monetary settlement, and what are the chances of that?

The other: Sentencing to a federal penitentiary for violating multiple big federal laws, related to sedition, is very possible.

[LisaM]

140. True, I just meant that she shouldn't have expected much of him.

His family doesn't play very nice. Though yes, they're swimming in different, more dangerous waters now.

[Hortensis]

145. Yes. She may not have been able to do anything.

Plus, she has a long history, by her own admission, of trying to develop and maintain a close relationship with a father who might at any time cut her out of his life. I've always held the door open to the possibility that some of her actions are trying to keep that from happening by doing what he expects of her and constantly demonstrating intense "loyalty." No, I'm not condoning that entirely, but it would be a basic requirement for retaining any influence with him at all. America desperately needs a rational and responsible influence in that circle.

The shoe thing? Sure, strong indication of trumpian "morality" and incompetence, including that which stems from undervaluing the very practical long-term benefits of behaving ethically. Bottom line, though, her husband's behaviors are destroying any hope I had (for our sake) that she, and he, might be fairly sensible influences on a rotten bunch. They could both end up in prison for real crimes.

[onit2day]

110. Soon Putin will brag on how he brought down a US President

[erronis]

134. With the usual tools - sex, pee, money, blackmail

But it required a very fertile batch of agar to plant those germs. The drumpfs are addicted to power and will incubate any germ.

Slime molds.

[jberryhill]

142. Urine is sterile

Absent a venereal disease, it generally contains no germs.

[erronis]

146. Good point! The rest of them are actually pretty normal

Except when done to demean, subvert, control, etc.

Air and water are harmless. Except when there's too much or too little.

Great graphic!

[calimary]

149. Absitively Posolutely.

They're used to owning it - whatever "it" is. And not being accountable to anybody. And doing whatever they want because there's no stockholders to report to. There's no board of directors to explain themselves to (cuz THEY'RE IT).

Servants? Perish the thought! Servants are those poor saps we hire and then don't pay well. And then when we make a mistake, we blame them.


Criminy! At least EIGHT? And that's what we know, at this particular hour. At the rate this is going, that may wind up being revised upward, too.

[bigtree]

5. it's a shitshow

[Rustyeye77]

104. Never knew so many people cared about ADOPTION.

[WinkyDink]

151. "I vish adopt US President, da?" "I'm your guy, President Putin!"

[chimpymustgo]

160. DU-zie! n/t

[Achilleaze]

7. My invitation must have gotten lost in The mail

But then again, it was a cozy private get together for Republican Traitors and their handlers. I just wouldn't fit in with that crowd.

[dem4decades]

8. Is this real?

[NewJeffCT]

14. Abramson is a pretty reliable source

and he is stating what CNN is reporting

[NewJeffCT]

17. here is the CNN article

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/14/politics/donald-trump-jr-meeting/index.html

[MelissaB]

23. I'd suggest using the cnn link only

so that it doesn't distract from the discussion on this thread.

[NewJeffCT]

43. i added the link to the OP

thanks

[grantcart]

9. BREAKING Eighth person was an AMWAY distributor

[crazylikafox]

27. Is that a joke? 'Cause I think Betsy DeVos's family got their money thru Amway.

Just can't tell satire vs truth anymore.

[Bleacher Creature]

33. We posted the same thing at the same time.

[WinkyDink]

152. DeVos family IS AMWAY. As in, FOUNDERS:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_DeVos

[Bleacher Creature]

30. Doesn't Betsy DeVos come from Amway family money?

I know that's completely random.

[grantcart]

32. Yes

[Liberty Belle]

186. Yes and her brother is Eric Prince, Blackwater founder.

[MineralMan]

31. Followed by a Hare Krsna woman handing out flowers and a

state fair pitchman. The crowd's a'growin'

[grantcart]

36. It is a fuckin crime that SNL isn't on this weekend.

It would have been the skit to end all skits


We would have had to dug up Chris Farley to play Goldstone.

[Mme. Defarge]

64. I think the situation

speaks for itself.

[klook]

117. Oh man, for real

Meeting must've been held in a VW bug.

[dem4decades]

128. They may have to add more cast members by the time

This is done.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

48. Well, that made me lol, but I guess I can see how some might not be sure

it's a joke or not. We are so far down the rabbit hole, we can't tell which way is up.

I knew Trump was a total asshole, buffoon, and a crook, but I'm still kinda shocked at just how much of an asshole, buffoon, and a crook he really is!

[sprinkleeninow]

50. Oh, they threw a party, like a tupperware or sarah coventry jewelry party?

So nothing nefarious there. Scoot along, everbody!

[WinkyDink]

153. Except for sale were Republican politicians.

[sprinkleeninow]

159. Amway Home Party as a cover.

Wouldn't put it past them to use a hideously phoney reason for the meeting. It's THEIR bizarro world.

[WinkyDink]

162. They're so greedy they would actually sell Amway crap, too!

[sprinkleeninow]

180. Sure 'cause they think it's 'high quality' like pops said about his spawn.

Maladjusted misfits them all.
(And that's being kind.)
Please be resolved soon. Oh my nerves.

[BadgerMom]

79. Makes the communication involving the Spectrum Health server in

Trump Tower even more interesting. That company is owned by the De Vos/Prince family.

[Ccarmona]

11. Imagine the Right-Wing Outrage if this Happened to HRC

I know we've all said, thought, & wrote the above line thousands of times, but it still remains a true statement, that consistently proves their hypocrisy. I'M JUST SICK OF IT.

[ginnyinWI]

135. it would be pitchforks and torches.

And a screaming mob in front of the White House.

GOPers in Congress are for the most part cowards marching in lock step.

[VOX]

161. RWers would have gone absolutely apeshit.

Their dedicated "news" channel and hate radio/websites (Rush, Breitbart, et al) would have been pushing out their manufactured sewage non-stop at holiday volume. Their "outrage" would be so intense that it would register on the CalTech seismometer.

In this insane world, it's definitely NOT okay for a Democrat to do *anything* a Republican would do. And yet we're the "elites," the "privileged characters."

[SergeStorms]

174. There would be......

around the clock "Clinton-A-Thons" on FOX "News". "The next hour of FOX's Clinon-A-Thon is brought to you commercial free, by the makers of 'Lib-Rid'.........when you just can't dispose of those traitorous liberals quickly enough'.

Yes, conservative hosts all up an down the AM radio dial would be falling over themselves, trying to out-lie each other on a galactic scale.

BUT, since it's Republicans that have turned out to be the worst traitors in U.S. history...... crickets chirping......tumbleweeds rolling down K Street, gun sales down 50% or more, Bourbon sales up 50% or more, suicide hot-lines jammed with calls from white supremacists and alt-right losers.............Republican Armageddon.

Hopefully, HOPEFULLY this will hasten the death of the right-wing, who've had their way with everyone and everything for the past 40 years or more. It couldn't happen to a lower, more hateful bunch of people.

[Catmusicfan]

12. hmm, Preibus? Ryan? McConnell? Pence? Flynn?

Wonder who it will be

[jpak]

22. Bannon

n/t

[Tanuki]

60. Dana Rohrabacher? Brad Parscale?

[blaze]

65. Oh, I think Parscale is a good guess. nt

[rainbow4321]

74. He posted a pic of himself and Trump Sr on his Twitter account..June 8

So maybe he stuck around for the meeting on June 9. Picture was taken at TT.

[RestoreAmerica2020]

184. Yes, they're in the room too, chaffetz, nunez, sessions; not mccarthy cuz he's a blabbermouth

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[Sanity Claws]

13. The conference room must have been a good size.

This meeting was not held in someone's office but in a conference room. Trump employees must have seen them enter and leave.

Also, in NYC, it is not easy to gain access to offices. There is someone downstairs who asked for names and identification before allowing people up. Those things are noted. Of course, there are exceptions. Fredo could have come downstairs and told the guard that this bunch of people are with him and it is okay. Only then would there be no record of who came that day.

[DeminPennswoods]

26. Secret Service, too

One of the commenters on CNN or MSNBC said he thought Trump had Secret Service protection by the time of this meeting so any visitors to Trump Tower would have to have been cleared by them before attending.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

86. Yeah, and Jr. dismissed them to bring in his own goons.

I conjecture.

[leftstreet]

53. "We're gonna need a bigger conference room"

Link to tweet

[Solly Mack]

15. Damn

Fools, idiots, traitors.

[lostnfound]

16. Hillary and Obama were there. They arranged the whole thing. Nt

[NewJeffCT]

19. holding guns to everybody's head

forcing them to be there

[VOX]

167. George "Deep State" Soros brought sandwiches!

And why not, since he owns and operates the entire universe, according to the knuckledraggers.

[C_U_L8R]

18. And the drips keep on dripping

What a tsunami of treachery !!

[Lindsay]

41. Wonderful turn of phrase, there.

Gonna get stolen, I betcha.

[Kingofalldems]

20. But but Steve Doocy said this morning the whole story is falling apart.

8 people. Imagine that. Bet there were more.

[SFnomad]

25. Doozy meant to say that his excuses are falling apart n/t

[NRaleighLiberal]

24. is this one of those "how many people can you fit in" jokes?

how many craven criminals can you fit into the latest scandal, perhaps?

[SFnomad]

28. President Pence is going to have a whole bunch of people to pardon n/t

[LovingA2andMI]

102. Pretty Much...

If he wasn't in the room HIMSELF.

[NightWatcher]

29. I seriously just put on a movie half an hour ago and it was 5 maybe 6

If I leave my cell will someone text me when breaking news happens?

[grantcart]

42. Me too. I am getting my own lawyer just in case.

[NightWatcher]

49. That doesn't seem like a bad idea

[blaze]

69. LOL! nt

[Leith]

80. Why Not?

tRump's lawyers got lawyers of their own. It won't be long before it gets down to "Better Call Saul" lawyers are the only ones available. And we better get ours quick.

[grantcart]

97. I had Chuck McGill on my speed dial but he isn't answering.

[MelissaB]

111. You should have called Saul.

Just sayin'.

[mr_lebowski]

177. Maybe Jackie is available ... did you try the HHM front desk?

[cilla4progress]

91. FTW!

Rofl

[rogue emissary]

34. Does anyone remember Donny Sr saying if he was or wasn't there?

I know he said Donny Jr never told him about the meeting. Which could mean he didn't have to tell him about the meeting as he was there. I know the meeting was one floor under his and he was at the Tower.

[grantcart]

39. Donny didn't tell him about the meeting because he told Donny to set it up

[rogue emissary]

46. Yeah, I think we're going to find out that Sr was way more involved.

[leftstreet]

54. We'll hear soon he 'just poked his head in for a minute'

something delicious like that

[rogue emissary]

61. Exactly, That it was just a quick "pop in."

[Bromwell]

70. He popped in real quick to try the Russian pastries that were brought...

Of course, Trump gets TWO pastries to everyone else's ONE. Losers!

[Rollo]

35. This story has more layers of revelations than a Kremlin onion dome...

[defacto7]

37. +12 lawyers, 14 lobbyists, some street people

3 dogs, 2 cats, 1 clapping seal and an alien representing Alpha Centari.

[NewJeffCT]

40. not to mention

a partridge in a pear tree

[defacto7]

44. oops, forgot...

[rogue emissary]

52. Wasn't Lincolns ghost there as well?

[defacto7]

58. maybe shaking his head in disbelief

[volstork]

116. You are killing me!

"a clapping seal and an alien representing Alpha Centauri ."

[Doodley]

38. The Trumps deserve an award for their contribution to comedy!

[SFnomad]

47. So where were the other two? Putin and the orange shitgibbon himself? n/t

[jberryhill]

59. A Russian spy/hacker and a translator

[SFnomad]

76. That's probably just as bad. The translator was probably a spy too n/t

[Iggo]

87. I thought that was 5 and 6. We're on 7 and 8 now, right?

I shoulda bought a program.

[jberryhill]

94. I think they are allowed to swap in team members between downs

Who knows.

Let's just have everyone who wasn't in the meeting raise their hands, and we'll count them instead.

[roscoeroscoe]

130. They brought in Ovechkin's line

Needed a spark of offense

[volstork]

173. Don't you mean

"pogram"?

[SethH]

51. there were more people at that meeting

than at Trump's inauguration

[NewJeffCT]

55. LOL

great comment!

[Tanuki]

56. Lol....welcome to DU, SethH!

[leftstreet]

62. LOL

[defacto7]

63. the clapping seal was at both

[volstork]

119. I can't stop laughing!

This thread is pure gold!

[Iggo]

84. Winner.

[YCHDT]

131. lofl

[barbtries]

57. this meeting seems to loom larger and larger and larger

if trump had a brain in his head he'd resign now if only for the sake of the country, but of course it's way too much to expect him to do the right thing.

[BarbD]

66. And a partridge in a pear tree.

[hatrack]

67. This is starting to remind me of a movie . . .

[Iggo]

88. LOL...I knew it as soon as I read it.

[BigmanPigman]

68. If I find out that the fake prez was there himself, I'm going to pop champing corks.

The hang over will be worth it (yes, the bubbles do it every time).

[malaise]

96. I'm expecting that any moment now

along with Pence and Sessions.

[Demtexan]

71. Who was not there.

Must of been one big room.

[HAB911]

72. I wonder if there's enough time to squeeze in another bombshell

before quitting time?

[sprinkleeninow]

179. Are you meaning a blonde bombshell? None were available.

Don't shout me down crew! 😘
(My hair is now PINK! Some like it. Back to more age appropriate tomorrow.👵

[dawn5651]

77. interesting

given that 45 has a tendency to think others around him are stupid what are the chances he would allow this meeting to go forward without his presence.

[NewJeffCT]

78. I'm guessing

that Trump knew all about it, and possibly ordered it to happen. However, proving that may be harder than that...

[UCmeNdc]

82. K&R

Trump will not give up the names?

[TheBlackAdder]

85. WTF? First it was 4, then it's the addition of a GRU spy, and now a few others?

[cwydro]

89. K and r.

Curiouser and curiouser.

[Sancho]

92. Katarina, Anya, and Natalia?

You'll have to get their number from Donald....

[Kaleva]

93. So Trump saying the report of 4 at the meeting being fake news is correct.

[jberryhill]

95. Gotta give him partial credit for that one, lol

[Quanta]

98. It's like a clown car

That keeps pushing out evil, traitorous oligarch wannabes instead!

[NewJeffCT]

105. it wouldn't surprise me at all

if he was there - if not in person, possibly listening over a phone line

[MFM008]

101. About the only Russian

NOT in the meeting was Stalin......

[get the red out]

103. Hard to keep up with

Are Trumpers required to lie a certain number of times before the truth comes out?

[Mr. Ected]

106. Is this what a nothing burger looks like?

[Ligyron]

169. Oh great.

Now I'm hungry.

[Skittles]

175. that is so fucking disgusting

let me know where I need to go to get one

[Buns_of_Fire]

108. Geez. Lock them in a room and they start breeding like rabbits. nt

[doc03]

109. So that explains why they needed an interpreter when the

original 5 all spoke English. Next we will hear there was a conference call with Vlad the Impaler himself.

[Igel]

183. Often the translator's there but unneeded.

He functions as a kind of walking dictionary and consultant, just in case, and for clarification. Usually the translator's essential, but not always.

I've done escort interpretation (long, long ago, and was even trained in procedures and ethics) and was sidelined at times when I wasn't needed, and sometimes went through my paces either because one side didn't want it known how well they spoke English or just because they weren't confident. I look at my "fluent" students with Spanish as their first and home language and then I look at how they handle themselves in class: fluency is by topic and by style, not an all-or-nothing thing. Some Canadian in the '60s or '70s got his PhD and as a professor turned out a bunch of research and new PhDs showing how this works; of course, had they known Czech (or French) and been with it they'd have quoted the same work done in the 1920s in central Europe, but good research skills would have killed his dissertation so he was rather strongly disincentivized.

Either way the interpreter gets paid, and professional ethics say you don't have a right to a personal opinion in the matter, so that was fine by me.

[H2O Man]

112. Recommended.

Thank you for this!

[spanone]

113. soon it will be the entire republican congress

[sarcasmo]

114. That's why Fox News is spinning collusion is not a crime.

[NewJeffCT]

124. and they are dead wrong

penalties for colluding with foreign agents can be up to life in prison or death.

[NastyRiffraff]

132. As the Collusion Turns

1. It never happened. FAKE NEWS!
2. It may have happened, but it was boring. No collusion.
3. It may have been collusion, but it's not a crime.
4. Take the FIFTH!
5. What is this little room and why are all those bars there?

Like sands in the hourglass...

[mr_lebowski]

178. In and of itself, 'collusion' is not a crime ... it depends on what you're 'colluding to DO' and how

Various addt'l factors must be involved to make 'collusion' ... illegal. It's not like 'murder' or 'theft'.

I've still yet to see someone post or show 'the statute' that would directly criminalize ... anything that happened in this meeting (that we know of), or indeed even of Trumps team directly enlisting Russian aid to win the election.

I'm just not sure that anything THIS outrageous has happened before in this Country, ergo nobody has had the foresight to write laws codifying the 'illegality' of TrumpCo's actions.

[Justice]

115. Were John Miller and Meredith McIver in attendance??

[Glimmer of Hope]

118. I bet Jim was there.

[suffragette]

120. Curiouser and curiouser.

[mainstreetonce]

121. Can someone please list 8 people ?

I'm losing track.

Just make up your own spelling of Rusdian names.

[NewJeffCT]

122. I think these were two of the eight

[csziggy]

148. By my count we have...

Donnie Jr
Jared
Manafort
Natalia
a translator
a Russian spy/lobbyist
maybe Emin's agent who set up the meeting (and who tagged his location on Facebook minutes before the start)

And a mystery guest.

[grantcart]

170. Goldstone by skype?

[csziggy]

171. Yeah, I can picture his face but for some reason his name reminds me of a Bond villan

After the pictures Rachel Maddow showed of him last night in various costumes and hats, it's even harder to separate the two thoughts.

https://www.google.com/search?q=rob+goldstone&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwj8-ZKMhIrVAhXHJCYKHXAgB8wQ_AUIBygC&biw=1430&bih=686#tbm=isch&q=rob+goldstone+in+hats

[First Speaker]

123. Boris and Natasha...

[OnDoutside]

155. It's surprising Boris Ephsteyn wasn't there, as the only Russian speaking Trump campaign staffer.

[Lifelong Protester]

125. Quite the "nothingburger"

8 is enough???

[WinkyDink]

156. They just forgot to mention the lettuce, tomato, cheese, .......

[Lifelong Protester]

168. And the pickles!!

[pnwmom]

126. And one of them was a translator who might have been a State Department-connected mole.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029327619#post2

[spanone]

127. they would be marching Hillary to the gallows at this point....Good God.

will no one in the republican party stand up to this shit????

[Ligyron]

133. Wait, would Goldstone show up to a meeting where he promised dirt

and the dirt wasn't actually delivered as per Trumpish narrative? He either he left in embarrassment while being yelled at or there was more going on in the room than pleas to think of the poor orphans.

[alcibiades_mystery]

165. Goldstone was in Hong Kong or Singapore at the time, but "checked in" on Facebook

These people are truly buffoons.

[orangecrush]

137. Oh, KICK AND REC

This is very interesting development.

[DesertRat]

138. Was this moron there too?

[NewJeffCT]

139. Probably not

but, I heard John Miller was listening in over the intercom.

[Grammy23]

141. Now we know where Waldo was on that day. NT

[Heartstrings]

143. K & R.....bigly! Nt

[spanone]

144. K&R...

[NBachers]

147. This reminds me of that stateroom scene with the Marx Brothers in Duck Soup.

[WinkyDink]

150. RUN, Jeffy! RUN! (You, too, Mikey P.)

[mrs_p]

154. It's like a clown car

😁

[regnaD kciN]

157. Lock! Them! Up!

[WinkyDink]

158. We're gonna need a bigger investigation.

[JDC]

163. Seriously, WTF!? Next thing you know the meeting was held in an auditorium

Do the disclosure documents of any of these bozos list all of these people? Even after being "amended"

[dchill]

164. K&R.

[denbot]

172. K&R n/t

[Progressive dog]

176. Give Donnie jr. a break

he's never had to count above five before and Jared wouldn't let him bring his personal assistant in because of witnesses or something.

[sprinkleeninow]

181. Hay now! This thread's a hoot 'n' a half! (no text)

[Liberty Belle]

185. Did they forget to mention these two guys? Were they there?

?a416280

[Shoonra]

187. Eight people, but it was kept secret for nearly a year!

This is a surprise. The Watergate burglary involved about a dozen people and within about six months half of them were singing about the other half. So the fact that there were 8 people and yet this was kept secret for nearly a year is a surprise. What is not a surprise is that it could not be kept secret much longer.