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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJay Sekulow Trump's Lawyer Is A Dumbass Lying - Receiving Stolen Goods/Hacked Materials Is A Crime
Sorry.
If they got the goods, it is a crime.
Sorry asshole.
All-In
(312 posts)"The substance of this meeting amounted to nothing".
Sure buddy.
They all got together to drink vodka and pee on each other right Jay?
unblock
(51,974 posts)whether or not they received any stolen goods *at the meeting* doesn't change the fact that they solicited criminal activity against americans, and proposed to pay for it with, at a minimum, abuse of power of office (related to the sanctions, if nothing else).
if the meeting actually was "hey, we can't use the stuff you got, it's useless", then any subsequent discussion of the magnitsky act is a clear and obvious proposal to "go back and commit more espionage and i'll pay you". surely if they rejected the contraband presented at the meeting as insufficient, they clarified what *would* be sufficient.
finally, if they did say that what the russians presented at the meeting was insufficient, that already confesses to receiving the contraband. they would have had to have seen or heard the stolen information in order to make that determination.
even if the contraband they accepted had little utility, that has no real bearing on the fact that they committed a very serious crime.
All-In
(312 posts)And as far as "nothing happening" in the meeting?
Who believes the Russians, Traitors, or Liars who attended the meeting that said no treason, or crimes were committed.
I don't know, do you believe Russians, or Trump people?
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)WTF was wrong with him?
Never seen him lacking so much feck
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Cooper at his worst
Should have confronted about his disastrous appearances on the Sunday shows
Should've cut the intwerview off two minutes in, or had somebody else on to cue through the filibuster
All-In
(312 posts)Anderson, you can do better.
Lots of possible crimes were committed.
Just ask a real lawyer.
Or better yet a prosecutor.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Incomprehensible
Disingenuous
Hypocritical
Fatuous
Rambling
Utterly undeserving of professIona's respect
Also a SWINDLER/grifter on a Trumpian order
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Even WRT his legis agenda!!!
With a straight face!!!
Catmusicfan
(816 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... and I recognize the Jay Sekulows for who/what they are.
They are the lawyers who try to convince judges that their client, who met with someone peddling kiddie-porn, is "completely innocent" because their contact failed to produce stills/videos of eight-year-olds being sodomized.
They are the lawyers who claim that their client is "completely innocent" of attempting to traffic drugs because the contact who promised to deliver a half-million dollars worth of heroin showed up empty-handed.
They are the lawyers who argue that their client is "completely innocent" of murder, because their client SAYS he's innocent - and the fact that his client has repeatedly lied about the circumstances surrounding that murder should be dismissed as irrelevant.
The Jay Sekulows of the world will take on ANY case that involves a client with deep pockets who is desperate enough to cough-up the big bucks - ANY case that will generate headlines that put their names in the newspapers.
It is what it is.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)Even when you are guilty. A judge or juror may agree that those claims are valid, and that is their right. Sekulow makes his argument and you and I argue why he is wrong. I think Sekulow is wrong in much of what he says but I don't get angry at him for pitching his side of the story. And I don't get angry at defense lawyers since the prosecution is free to explain why they are wrong.
Letting both sides pitch their arguments probably leads to more justice than silencing those we think are guilty. Because once the guilty are silenced the innocent will soon be silenced too by those corrupted by the power to shut people up.
I don't practice criminal law but I am convinced those defense lawyers you talk about are essential for the innocents they do not represent to remain free.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... doesn't plaster himself all over the media, arguing with whoever is interviewing him, interrupting them in mid-sentence, changing the topic when they don't have an answer, or presenting ridiculous theories and asserting them as indisputable fact.
Sekulow argued that because Don Jr. has said that nothing untoward happened in the Russia meeting, it is therefore a fact - because he was there, so he would know better than anyone.
"Your Honour, my client has stated that he is innocent of the crime he is charged with - and being he was there and you weren't, you have to accept that as fact" is not a reasonable defense.
I've been in court with some of the best defense lawyers in the country, and have seen them interviewed by the news media. They don't fly off the handle when asked a question, or start yelling at their interlocutor while they're in mid-sentence. Sekulow is a loose cannon - the last person on earth I'd want on my side in a courtroom.
In addition, Sekulow isn't even Don Jr.'s lawyer - he's Idiot Boy's lawyer.
I don't know why you think my assessment of Sekulow has any bearing on all defense lawyers, or why you think that after three decades in court, I somehow didn't know that their job is to defend their client.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)Sekulow is as much a political operative as a lawyer.
He gives me the creeps too.