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What situations can't tRump pardon someone for? (Original Post) SHRED Jul 2017 OP
A president can pardon only federal crimes. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #1
That's right.... DonaldsRump Jul 2017 #2
I know they could, but can't see a state bringing charges with earnest. Some Attorney General might Hoyt Jul 2017 #3
Yep. NY AG is on it. L. Coyote Jul 2017 #7
*45 is limited to non-impeachment related federal offenses. NYAG MedusaX Jul 2017 #4
And if he does bring charges, the trial will be in New York City marylandblue Jul 2017 #6
Anyone involved in a conspiracy for which he is being impeached. L. Coyote Jul 2017 #5
You sure about that? Isn't it "absolute right" Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #8
I may have to correct myself. L. Coyote Jul 2017 #9
Couldn't agree more, & the NY AG Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #10
A conviction from The Hague. no_hypocrisy Jul 2017 #11
He can't pardon if he's not president. milestogo Jul 2017 #12

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
2. That's right....
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 11:53 PM
Jul 2017

For any FEDERAL crime, the President's power to pardon is total. He/she can even pardon where there is no (or prior to an) indictment (a la Gerald Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon).

It doesn't cover state crimes.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. I know they could, but can't see a state bringing charges with earnest. Some Attorney General might
Fri Jul 14, 2017, 11:53 PM
Jul 2017

mount a half-assed effort for publicity, but would have to know they'll never get a jury to convict. There will be at least one juror that would say, "I'm just glad that no good Hillary Clinton didn't win, Not Guilty."

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
4. *45 is limited to non-impeachment related federal offenses. NYAG
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 12:06 AM
Jul 2017

Scheidermann has broad jurisdiction to bring state RICO & other charges against all these ... criminals.

The only one who can pardon State convictions is the governor of the state in which convicted.
NY governor not likely to do any such thing.

NY AG Schneidermann can & will seek justice.

IMO/FWIW

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
6. And if he does bring charges, the trial will be in New York City
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 01:08 AM
Jul 2017

Where they know him quite well. Also from a political point of view, the Republicans will pressure him to resign under threat of impeachment, because you know they won't be able to get anything done while Trump is fighting criminal charges.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
5. Anyone involved in a conspiracy for which he is being impeached.
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 01:06 AM
Jul 2017

And an impeachment resolution has been filed, perhaps for this very reason. Also, I think if there is an indictment for a conspiracy, he cannot pardon co-conspirators.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
9. I may have to correct myself.
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 01:22 AM
Jul 2017

The President cannot pardon a public official who has been impeached and convicted by Congress apparently.

The "absolute right" sets up a motivation for a coup by the good guys to prevent the bad guys from getting away with their crimes. Bush used the pardon to avoid further Iran-Contra inquiries where he likely would have been implicated. Not a good thing.

Hopefully the Trumpsters will face state charges.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
12. He can't pardon if he's not president.
Sat Jul 15, 2017, 07:52 AM
Jul 2017

And if all the shit hits the fan at the same time, he won't be.

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