A Distracting Philosophical Question?

[kentuck]

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[WheelWalker]

1. True.

[world wide wally]

2. Not true

Global warming IS true regardless of one's egocentric perception

[Solly Mack]

3. Yeah? Jump out of a plane at 39,000 feet and tell me all about your perceptions on the way down -

once you, uh..land.

I'll be waiting on the ground with bags, gloves, and a rake.


That's a general you and not directed at the OP. In case anyone wondered.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

6. Am I really falling to earth?

Or, are the earth and I falling toward each other, the relative motion of one toward the other proportional to the mass of the Earth and the mass of me, so if I calculate correctly ...

splat

[Solly Mack]

7. lol! Getting them in before you land. Love it!

[kentuck]

8. Did I perceive I had a parachute?

Is it time to pull that string? I perceive that ten seconds have passed.

And the Trump voter asks, "is that a real watch or is it fake?"

[Solly Mack]

10. They would firmly believe that "I alone" Trump would save them.

I'd still take care raking the chunky bits up while shaking my head. Placing them gently into the bags. Human body parts can be surprisingly heavy.

I wouldn't even mention physics while going about my work.

[kentuck]

12. Do physicists use perception?

To verify their facts?

[Solly Mack]

13. A definition of it, yes.

Backed up by evidence. You know, facts.

[kentuck]

14. Exactly!

That can be tested and proved.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

16. Under the Trump/Cruz Air Safety Plan, you might choose the "Affordable" parachute ...

... which, while consisting of a backpack and a rip-cord, does not actually have the nylon canopy that comes with the more expensive plans. So, while you feel secure in the plane with the pack on your back, the coverage may not actually help when you need it.

We could debate the wisdom of choosing and paying for the Cruz-amended parachute, but, while viewing the Earth rushing up to meet you, can you remember the details of the options you chose when selecting a parachute plan?

But go ahead, tug on that rip-cord ring.

And good luck.

[Wounded Bear]

27. I believe Doug Adams handled this question in his book...

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

[Solly Mack]

28. Good point

[The_jackalope]

4. This is a misunderstanding

This is a misunderstanding of the idea that the fundamental ontological construct of reality may be consciousness, and not matter/energy as is believed by most members of modern technological civilization. All those members will dispute this idea vociferously.

The idea is known as "monistic idealism". Because it doesn't contribute to building more iPhones, it is widely discounted - especially in the West.

The Jackalope is a monistic idealist on odd-numbered days, and a materialist on even-numbered ones.

[malaise]

5. The fact that the sun rises in the East is not perception n/t

[kentuck]

9. I have long wondered..?

Why does the other person see the same thing that you see? At the same time?

[malaise]

11. LOL - we think

Of course these morons will contest where is East which is why they should be kept off the streets for clearly given their ignorance, the road code can be interpreted by perception.

I have a good Jamaican friend - she was visiting friends in New York and they were heading for Toronto to visit her sister. Now she lives in Jamaica so she deferred to her friends (husband and wife). Early on she realized they were going in the wrong direction because of the sun. She started dropping hints and two hours later when they were lost she asked them if they had mapped out the trip. I'm going to ask her if they are Trump supporters or just ReTHUGs.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

17. Of course it's perception.

The sun does not actually rise, it just continues in a large orbit around the center of the galaxy. The Earth turns to cause a spot on its surface to move from the shadow into the sun. So we perceive that the sun has risen even though we have merely ridden this spinning globe until we can view the relatively stationary sun. Perception.

[Warren DeMontague]

19. they don't like him, the fool on the hill.

[malaise]

20. We know about the earth's rotations but if I'm driving in the morning

or evening it's truth enough for me.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

23. Agree. When I'm driving east in the early morning, ...

... it's not the Earth's rotation that I curse. It's that rising blinding thing.

[malaise]

24. Precisely

And damn it was blinding on Friday morning

[longship]

15. "There is no truth. There is only perception."

Bunch of poppycock, if you ask me.

[Warren DeMontague]

18. No. The actual land exists. But the maps describing it are in our heads.

The actual land has, really, infinite levels of complexity, just like the measured length of a shoreline depends on the length of the ruler you use to measure it. Too much complexity for your average human brain to deal with moment-to-moment, so we filter and simplify reality into something- a map- we can easily understand.

And many of us spend a lot of time following our maps instead of paying attention to the actual land. A lot of people ignore the land or filter it out when it doesn't match up with their maps. That seems, to me, undeniable.

Also, some of us are using better maps than others. And just like in your car's GPS, it's important to update your map regularly.

A good example, though, are FOX News people who are in denial about just how incompetent the Trump team is. When reality finally, unavoidably intrudes, they're like the people who drive into the lake, because their GPS map is wrong.


Now, as for whether things like music or color exist without perception, no. I don't think they do, or I think it's a meaningless question to ask.

"Who is the master who makes the grass green"

[malaise]

21. Beautifully stated

We have agreed to accept classifications.

Here's an true story. A young woman I know is not into religion but her aunt was visiting from overseas and they went to this church healing snake oil event. That night the scammers were going to heal this man who was born blind. After the mumbo jumbo he jumped up and said he could see blue, green, red etc. and the aunt grabbed her hand and said let's get out of this madness - no one who wasa born blind knows colors - we learn them.

[Warren DeMontague]

22. Good point.

[CanSocDem]

25. Very true.

MY "perception" is more valuable to me than your "truth".

Sorry, but that is the way it has got to be.

Get back to me when you have seen what I have seen.

.

[Orrex]

26. The person who created that png will die someday, as will everyone they know.

Perception is great, right up until it's completely superseded by that which is the case regardless of one's perception.

[JHan]

29. but by that logic, "there is no truth" is also perception.

"There is no truth" is an absolutist claim about "truth" itself.

[WinkyDink]

30. Yeah, yeah; we're all animated figures in a computer game.

[JHan]

31. lol.

[lunatica]

32. I would amend that to say either you believe in truth or you believe in your opinions