Go ahead and say it Ann, they gave it to this brown woman. That's what offends you.

[kpete]

Link to tweet

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/dont-you-fly-first-class-princess-ann-coulter-gets-trashed-for-bratty-twitter-meltdown-over-airline-seat/

[NBachers]

1. You don't have to guess about which one I'd rather be sitting next to.

[roamer65]

2. If I had to be on the same plane as that witch, I'd be violently ill.

At least I would know where to go...

[Tribalceltic]

77. Please Say what you really mean

As a witch,I object to the term being misused..

besides, if Coultergiest is a Witch shouldn't she be flying a broom?

[50 Shades Of Blue]

3. It was shitty of Coulter to do that. It was also shitty of

Delta to take away the extra seat she'd bought and PAID FOR for herself and give it to someone else! If you buy two seats with the intention of leaving one empty, the airline should honor that!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

5. Real people take precedence over her her bony elbow.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

29. Not if she bought that seat first!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

35. She didn't buy the seat.

She rented it under a specific set of rules. One of which is the airline can, like many other businesses, enforce a one per customer rule in times of shortages.

[JI7]

36. Even if she bought it first. She will get a refund.

[Egnever]

55. Doesn't make what the airline did right

She is a stain on humanity but the airlines can go fuck them selves it's long past time for them to have a come to Jesus moment.

I can't believe just because it is Ann Coulter people are defending this bull shit from the airlines.

[dsc]

6. great post

you are absolutely right.

[tammywammy]

7. I dislike Ann Coulter, but Delta was wrong here.

i can't quite tell if she was removed from a seat with extra legroom or if it was a second seat that was taken away from her. Either way, both would have been paid for by her and Delta shouldn't have have taken it away.

[Warpy]

9. One tweet covered that

"What, you don't fly first class, Princess?"

Extra seats can be taken if the flight is full, it's in the small print. Delta owes her a refund of the ticket price for that seat on that flight, but that's all. It's one of the reasons it's called cattle class.

Worse ones are people who are flying with toddlers, kids above a certain age getting their own seats per FAA regulations being told to give up the kid's seat and endanger it by holding it in a lap, unrestrained. Now that one is wrong.

[dsc]

12. actually they are both wrong and for the same reason

she bought the seat, the airline accepted payment for the seat, it was her seat. This is no different than an eatery saying you don't need that food so we gave it to someone else even though you paid for it.

[Warpy]

15. Sorry, it's in the fine print on the ticket

Airlines have TOS just like everybody else, which you agree to when you buy their services.

She does deserve a refund. She also deserves every bit of the bagging she's getting on Twitter.

[EffieBlack]

44. Conservatives LOVE the free market - until a business makes a decision they don't like

I'll bet Miss Ann will soon be screaming for a regulation to protect her desire to keep anyone else from sitting next to her bony entitled ass...

[Bengus81]

61. On TV for decades and a thousand books yet...........

She doesn't have her own jet??

[Crunchy Frog]

74. She's partly responsible for the current business climate in this country.

The one where the corporation is always right and customer service is out the window.

She's promoted this ideology for decades. Now she thinks that she doesn't have to live under it like the rest of us?

Don't like it then don't fly in steerage.

[exboyfil]

80. Actually I think she is appealing to the free market

Here is what Delta did. They can do it to you.

You decide where to spend you flight dollars.

The picture of the private citizen in her "seat" on the other hand is cheap and low. Most likely not actionable, but really scummy.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

17. A) She gets a refund.

B) it's in the contract

C) businesses often enforce a one per customer rule

D) real people take precedence over bony elbows

Besides, she ways about 80 pounds. 90 with that filthy cocktail dress she always wears. Why does she need two seats?

[dsc]

19. would you want to sit next to her?

I know I wouldn't. She should be encouraged to get extra seats so we don't have to sit next to her.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

21. They should strap her to the wing.

Of course, she might start pulling parts of the plane off and tossing them in the engine intake.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

31. Why does anybody deserve one seat then?

[Igel]

46. Don't know.

I've seen two reasons for purchasing an extra ticket.

1. You just need more room for what you need to do. Buy two seats for the kid so she can lay down. Buy two seats because you're going to work on the flight and can't fit all the crap you need on the little fold-down desk-thing.

Works for obese people, too. You don't want somebody who weighs 400 lbs in one of those seats next to you. Much of the person won't stay in their territory. (Want unpleasant? Insist that the armrest stay down when the person won't quite fit. It's a crap-fest of a pre-take-off, reprised during the flight. This may be offensive to bring up, but it happens; reality sometimes bites.

2. Musical instruments and other sensitive bits of stuff. Nobody wants to send a $15k cello or $12k guitar through with baggage (this was 20 years ago, so they'd be worth a lot more now). Used to be that they'd take such things without an extra seat and stow them in some closet. That changed. I wouldn't put my violin or guitar through as checked luggage.

I've known people who go abroad to do research and carry their stuff with them. We went to Poland with our 14-month-old child. We had a diaper bag and a couple of toys for the kid, I had a paperback, my wife had a paperback, and under our seats and filling up bin space were $35 thousand dollars worth of eyetracker, computers, disks, mikes, external drives, and all the other crap we'd need for doing research. If they'd given us a hard time about the volume of stuff, we'd have gotten an extra seat or taken a later flight. I've seen that done with artwork that wouldn't fit in the bin.

[unblock]

27. i don't understand your eatery example

if i go to an eatery where i pay as soon as you order, then when i go to pick up my order, they say "sorry, we ran out of that dish, the customer ahead of you got the last one" -- well, they refund my meal and either i accept a different dish or the refund.

same as delta. if there was room in first class or non-extra-room seating, she could have opted for that, or she could have accepted the refund.


this is the downside to overbooking, everyone likes the advantage of being more likely to get a seat, taking advantage of the usual cancellations, but no one likes getting bumped.

[pnwmom]

43. Pre-booking doesn't always mean you buy a particular seat.

There is often an online disclaimer saying that while you may choose a seat, it is not guaranteed. The airline must confirm it.

http://www.farecompare.com/news/airline-seat-assignments-not-always-guaranteed/

FareCompare recently received the following question about airline seats:

“This happened to me [and others], previous seat assignments, booked when tickets were issued, were no longer valid.”

No Guarantees

Yes, this happens – in fact, FareCompare is unaware of any airline that absolutely guarantees passengers will always get the seats they select, although such changes do not seem to be particularly common. And yes, airlines tell you seat selections are not guaranteed

[Hassin Bin Sober]

14. Yep. I don't know why she has a problem with a private free market business...

.... enforcing their "one per customer under certain conditions rule"

Wouldn't forcing Delta to sell her that seat be forcing the pilot and crew in to a life of human bondage?

[50 Shades Of Blue]

32. She has every right to be pissed.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

37. Not by me. Not even if she was on fire.

[awesomerwb1]

47. Hehe

[Charlotte Little]

91. Her right to be pissed...

...is negated by the fact that she took a photo of an innocent woman (and others) and posted it online.

Ann can suck it. I personally love all the negative attention she's getting, not that it will matter. Ann hates herself, so millions of others hating on her won't phase her in the least.

[Egnever]

56. They are both wrong

[Squinch]

10. And yet the one the asshole chooses to take it out on, plastering her photo around the news, is the

innocent person who simply wanted to get somewhere today.

[JI7]

18. She admits her problem was with the seat being given to that type of person

And not the policy itself.

Coulter is a piece of shit and this is not comparable to other recent cases.

[Squinch]

22. Yes, she is and correct, this is not.

[madinmaryland]

20. Bullshit! If the young women had a need for that seat to go to a funeral....

Just reinmburse the Coulterguist. I'm sorry but there is some common sense that needs to be applied here.

Fuck Coulter and the rest of the Repubican Elites. FUCK THEM.

[Maraya1969]

33. That seat was next to two filled seats. Why would she buy that

seat? I can understand buying 2 next to each other but this just doesn't make sense.

If it is just to leave an empty seat that you may want to move to later on then I think it is OK for the airline to give it to someone if the plane is filled and someone needs the seat. They should just refund your money

[Voltaire2]

48. Because people don't read very well.

Coulter paid for an extra leg-room seat - the economy plus upgrade- but apparently didn't get it. She didn't buy two seats. You usually can't do that except for special needs like your strad cello needs its own seat. My guess is that she didn't bother to confirm her seat until she got to the boarding gate.

What I find most enjoyable is that her career is failed enough that she is in cattle class to begin with.

[exboyfil]

84. Extra wide passengers are required to buy

two seats. It seems you can always buy a second seat if you want to if the airline has the policy. Getting those seats back? It seems it should go with the bump policy (3x cost of flight cash or $1350 and refund of seat?).

In this case it is moot. It appears she was moved within the row (probably to the other side in a middle seat without the legroom?). I think the airline may have been trying to keep a family together. If so it is still a crappy thing to do to Coulter. Doesn't change the fact that she should never have posted the picture of the woman in her "seat". It was a classless room.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703510204575085430741468758

[Voltaire2]

86. yeah you seem to be right. Delta will let you buy a second seat for personal comfort.

[Ruby the Liberal]

68. She didn't buy an extra seat - they bumped her from the exit row

She's bitching about 2" of legroom, not a spare seat.

[MyOwnPeace]

4. Oh, this is CLASSIC!

Loved the "is your broom broken?" comment!

[Mr. Ected]

8. Her gripe should be with Delta, not the patron

But then again, she's not exactly a civilized woman.

[oberliner]

11. No

She's being a crybaby and should not have taken/posted photos of the people in the seats, but her complaint has nothing to do with race. She is just annoyed that she was moved from the seat she pre-booked and is throwing a twitter tantrum about it.

[pnwmom]

42. I suspect she ignored the online disclaimer that says the seat assignment

is really a seat preference and must be confirmed by the airline.

[ProudLib72]

13. Where is the "brown woman"?

I don't see any brown people anywhere in that pic. I see a woman with brown hair and a couple of dudes looking downright disgusted that she is taking their pic.

[EffieBlack]

45. The woman doesn't look Anglo. And the flight attendant is definitely black

I doubt she's display their pictures if they were white. There's only one reason to show their picture - and it's not to tell her story since they add nothing to it other than to prove to her racist fans that "those" people really are taking away the rights of decent white people.

[FBaggins]

92. There's another more reasonable explanation

The woman looks short - and therefore wouldn't presumably "need" the extra legroom.

[cwydro]

70. Doesn't look "brown" to me either.

Looks just like a friend's sister - and she's German/Irish.

[longship]

16. She looks like a good friend's daughter.

BTW, she's going to be flying from LA east any day.

Damn! If that isn't her, she has a twin.

[Alea]

23. I don't think the picture was intended to shame the woman

but more to show that Delta moved her from an extra room seat that she paid more for to a normal room seat and gave her seat to a smaller size person. I would be pissed too. If it had not been Ann Coulter, but an Asian guy pitching a fit, DU would be all over blaming Delta for the mishap.

[JI7]

26. The Asian guy was physically dragged away. That didn't happen to coulter

And coulter was not forced off the plane as he was.

[bigtree]

30. just the fact that you're here defending Coulter

Last edited Sun Jul 16, 2017, 01:28 PM - Edit history (1)

...I'd like to see her* dragged down the aisle.

I'd pay for it.

Curious to see what Coulter said about the Asian passenger who was attacked and abused by security.

*edited from 'it' (by request)

[Alea]

38. Wasn't defending Coulter

I was defending a taller passenger that paid for a extra room seat, only to have it given away to a smaller passenger and the taller passenger put in a normal room seat. Other point, DU hates everything the airlines do, unless it happens to a gop'er.

other than that, F Ann Coulter

[bigtree]

39. blah blah blah

...fuck Coulter.

Do you understand what hypocrisy means? It's perfectly fine to wish the worst on gopers what they willfully impose on others.

[grantcart]

40. Coulter rides coach, now that is funny

Guess the book praising Trump isn't going that well.

[Voltaire2]

49. "It" - what exactly did you intend by that?

[bigtree]

51. piece of inhuman filth?

...slime?

Anything dissociated from the human race.

[Voltaire2]

54. FYI that is generally considered a transphobic slur.

[bigtree]

58. is Coulter transgender?

...you asked me to define what I wrote, and I answered.

I'm not going to spend time defending myself against your own version of what I meant.

[Voltaire2]

59. A frequent transphobic attack on Coulter is to infer that she looks like a man.

"Ann the Man" if I recall correctly. That is then followed up by using the non-gendered pronoun "it" to refer to her.

I'm sure you didn't intend that, I just wanted to let you know that using "it" to refer to another person is typically a transphobic slur.

[bigtree]

62. I believe Coulter self-identifies as a woman, fwiw.

I've never seen anything credible that contradicts that gender association.

I take your point and apologize for the inconsiderate/offensive language I used. Of course, any consideration I make is for others' benefit, not Coulters'.

[Voltaire2]

64. I don't know how to make this clearer: using "it" to refer to another person is a transphobic slur.

It does not matter in the least if the person referred to is in fact transgender.

Your argument is the equivalent of "sure I called him a n* but he isn't black".

Please stop.

[bigtree]

65. first of all, you were wrong about what I intended to convey

...I acknowledged your concern and gave credence to it.

Your analogy (to what I wrote) is ridiculous. You stop.

[Voltaire2]

67. "I believe Coulter self-identifies as a woman, fwiw."

Why would you write that then?

[bigtree]

69. it's an acknowledgement that I accept her self-identification

...and a indication (I would think) that Coulter's gender isn't a consideration of mine or something which I dispute.

[Voltaire2]

76. what?

If you accepted her "self identification" as a woman you would refer to her as "she". By referring to her as "it" you are explicitly de-gendering her.

[bigtree]

78. you began with the premise that I intended to disrespect her gender identification

...that was false.

You are now engaged in arguing with your own false (original premise).

I've acknowledged and accepted your concerns about my ONE use of the word 'it' to identify Coulter. I've gone so far to apologize for the 'insensitivity and offensiveness' of the term, considering, as you pointed out, the attacks on her gender association which has occurred in the past, that others have engaged in.

I further acknowledged my personal respecting of Coulter's apparent self-identification, stating that I've seen no evidence to dispute that. I asked, sincerely whether Coulter was, in fact, transgender, which would make my use of the word 'it' specific to an actual attribute of hers, trying to understand your criticism.

You're really left here tending your own, inaccurate, circular argument.

[Voltaire2]

85. No I asked you what you meant and then pointed out that it is a transphobic slur.

I explicitly gave you the benefit of the doubt. You then when on to explain to me how it can't be a slur because Coulter "identifies as a woman", which is:
a) wrong - it is still a transphobic slur, and
b) you refusing to admit that she is a woman by using the phrase "identifies as a woman".

That was a typical "yes but" avoidance on your part. I'm starting to think I should not have given you the benefit of the doubt. I was just trying to point out that you really should avoid that particular insult. Many people are unaware of its hurtful implications.

[bigtree]

88. don't lie

...I never said 'it can't be a slur.' I actually acknowledged that it can be viewed as one.

Never said 'it can't be a slur', and I didn't imply it. I even apologized for using the term which could be viewed as a slur.

What I argued with was your characterization of what I meant by the ONE use of the word 'it' to describe Coulter.

You're still arguing with your own false premises. Just stop. You've gone from defending a correct point to slandering me. Enough.

I've not only agreed with your concern several times, I've acknowledged Coulter's self-identification as a woman (I don't dispute it, so wtf?). There doesn't appear to be anything I can do to appease your concern. You need to back the f-off.

[Voltaire2]

96. You implied it can't be a slur if the target is not transgender.

Me: FYI that is generally considered a transphobic slur.
You: is Coulter transgender?

Your response above to my post: "FYI that is generally considered a transphobic slur" remains inexplicable to me unless you meant that as coulter is not transgender, "it" could not be a slur. I'll await your explanation.

[bigtree]

98. can you fucking read?

..."I take your point and apologize for the inconsiderate/offensive language I used."

I had asked, sincerely whether Coulter was, in fact, transgender, which would make my use of the word 'it' specific to an actual attribute of hers, trying to understand your criticism.

Maybe you'd like me arrested or something, but you got a full and unequivocal apology for my one use of the word 'it.'

And you did lie. At no point did I say or imply that it was not considered a slur (I agreed it is, in a different context than I intended).

Now stuff it. I'm blocking you.

[Voltaire2]

99. You said I lied.

Me: FYI that is generally considered a transphobic slur.
You: is Coulter transgender?

Your response above to my post: "FYI that is generally considered a transphobic slur" remains inexplicable to me unless you meant that as coulter is not transgender, "it" could not be a slur. I'll await your explanation.

I'm still waiting for an explanation. I didn't lie. I responded to your reply in the only way I could understand it. It still appears to me that you do not believe a misgender slur can be used against a cis person.

[beam me up scottie]

83. It's not her "self-identication" it's her gender, she's not a transgender woman.

By repeatedly implying Coulter is transgender you're using that as an insult and that's transphobic.

It's no different than implying that Trump is gay when we know he's not which is homophobic.

I despise Ann Coulter as much as anyone but it's possible to express that feeling without insulting transgender people in the process.

[Iggo]

72. No, it's not.

[Voltaire2]

75. Educate yourself please

https://www.queerty.com/lets-learn-the-nine-anti-trans-slurs-we-should-avoid-20110620

"It’s rude to call a trans person a “tranny, he-she, it, shemale, transvestite, man in a dress, hermaphrodite, or a freak.” It’s also rude to call them by the wrong gender pronoun—if you’re not sure, just ask which they prefer. And while we’re at it please don’t ask a trans person what their name “used to be” or questions about their genitals. What? Were you raised by goblins?"

The clear implication in calling Coulter "it" is that she is not a "real woman" but is in fact transgender. This is part of the "Ann the Man" meme that was popular on the left ten years ago. We are better than that,

[bigtree]

79. I've already acknowledged that

...as well as apologized for making that ONE use of the word 'it,' despite my intent, which, as I stated in my first response to you, was not intended to refer to Coulter's gender.

[WoonTars]

81. I think you should edit the post in that case...

...that way no further offense can be taken by anyone else who sees it...

[bigtree]

89. ok

...as long as it's understood (knowing this forum well) that I'm not avoiding responsibility for using it in the first place.

[Iggo]

94. I'm aware.

Calling a trans person or someone you think is a trans person "it" is transphobic.

But that's not what happened here, and if you'd take your blinders off you'd see it.

[Voltaire2]

97. So you also think it is ok to use misgendering slurs if the target is not transgender?

Should we apply the same standard for racial slurs? Ethnic slurs? Or just gender slurs?

[Iggo]

71. Bull-to-the-fucking-shit.

Two words: Ann Coulter.

[TexasBushwhacker]

24. Why isn't Queen Ann flying first class?

I'm surprised she would rub elbows with commoners of any color.

[Demtexan]

34. She could ride in the cargo hold where the pets ride.

She could have her own cage.

[Skittles]

25. you could not pay me to sit next to that fucking viper

[WhiskeyGrinder]

28. Does...does she want airlines to be regulated?

[pnwmom]

41. I suspect she pre-booked that seat and failed to notice -- or chose to ignore --

the online disclaimer that the seat would have to be confirmed by the airline and might be changed.

So she got in the plane, ignored the number on her ticket, and sat down in the seat she had requested online. Then along came this family of three and one of them had that seat number on her ticket.

Tough luck, Ann.

[Voltaire2]

50. She also probably failed to confirm before getting to the gate.

[frogmarch]

52. I can't stand Ann Coulter

but I'm on her side on this.

And only this.

[MineralMan]

53. I think I get it now. She bought a legroom seat in

that row, and the airline gave it to someone else. Here's why, I'll bet:

Ann Coulter is the type to show up at the airport at the very last possible minute. If that's an exit row, you're required to check in at the ticket counter, so they can check to see whether you're physically able. But, she was late, because "I'm Ann Coulter," and didn't make the cutoff time, so the airline gave that seat to someone else.

She's one of those people who board the plane at the very last second, so she doesn't have to mingle with the commoners and riff-raff. So, she wanted that seat, but she showed up late and they assigned it to someone else. Poor Baby Coulter.

Anyhow, that's my interpretation. I always book exit row seats, but I'm always at the airport in plenty of time to check in and claim my seat. Nobody has ever asked me to move to a different seat. That's because I know how it all works and show up when I'm supposed to. I'm never the last person to board, either, but I'm betting Ann Coulter is always the last person to board. She's entitled because Ann Coulter, political celebrity.

[hack89]

57. Or she is a tall woman that appreciates extra legroom.

But it can't be that simple, can it? Way too benign.

[MineralMan]

60. See my more detailed analysis:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029332881

[hack89]

66. And you know this for a fact? Nt

[WoonTars]

87. Backed up with any facts, or just your conjecture?

...

[Lee-Lee]

63. How does she know the woman isn't an Air Marshall

I was interviewed and almost took a position as an Air Marshall and have about the same build and skin tone(maybe a bit darker, photo is hard to see) as that woman.

One thing about the Air Marshall program- if your the kind of person people look at and things "that person is a cop or military" you are exactly who they don't want. I know more than a few people in that job, and most you would never think were any kind of LE. Everyone I knew who interviewed and had the stereotypical cop look was told they looked too much like a cop and no selected.

[exboyfil]

82. That would be too perfect if she was an air marshall

Ann Coulter just burned her career. I wonder how that will play in Peoria.

[Lee-Lee]

95. It would actually burn that woman's career too

[dalton99a]

73. Loser! Hannity has a private jet. Limbaugh has a private jet.

[Oneironaut]

90. Classic "Please stfu" look. lmao!

[SonofDonald]

93. The look on their faces tells it all

It's obvious she was mouthing off continuously before she took the picture, look at them, the two men look like coulter had sprouted horns and started spewing pea soup.

Then her head started turning round and round, the look on their faces is one of "What the fuck is wrong with her", the woman next to her looks like she just realized she'd have to be ready to bolt at any moment.

A classic moment that's been captured on film (pixels) cementing the fact that there's something wrong with coulter.

And she took it, a self inflicted wound.