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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEx-Trumpers have a sad that Democrats won't welcome them with open arms.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/trumps-childish-antics-leaving-his-voters-feeling-conned-but-theyre-still-mad-at-liberals-for-shaming-them/Montgomery admitted that the CNN gif really made him think twice about his support for Trump. But when he said that on Twitter, he got a backlash of attacks that he said came from liberals mocking him.
The disaffected voters were saddened they werent welcomed more by Democrats, who they hoped would embrace them seeing the light.
When we get into a discussion with anybody, a family or a stranger on social media, we need to remember we are all Americans first and this is a great country, she said. Were all proud to be Americans. So, just put that first in your mind and then try to see the other persons side and see what you have in common more.
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Why can't we all just be friends? You can be friends with all kinds of people: Libtards, Demonrats, Satanists, thugs, sluts who want free abortion, nasty women...
Why won't the Democrats be nicer to the people who have attacked them all the time?
Why won't the Democrats try to see what it's like for other people for once???
Cosmocat
(14,563 posts)The demonizing of the evil liberal boogyman is so great, they truly think and assume it is just OK to say all the things they say about us.
leftstreet
(36,106 posts)They're not disappointed in Trump's positions
They're disappointed in him
C Moon
(12,212 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Not enough winning from Don the con for the sad deplorables.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)We could have avoided this, but we didnt.
Now that we allowed the soviets to take power, it is over.
We could have kept them from power, we didnt.
Now that they have it, they will never let go.
Wounded Bear
(58,645 posts)noticed that there's a lot of botting these days
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)I'm not convinced that's the case.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)and Dems as the devil.
But guess what, Dems tend to have more of that religious mojo of compassion, caring, sharing, and heck loving and "forgiving" than their counterpart conservatives who claim sole ownership of GAWD's blessings and teachings.
Dems also believe in facts.
I don't base my political beliefs on what random people say about me on the Internet.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)we're much better off swallowing a little pride if it means getting Tr*mp and his national enablers out of office.
ck4829
(35,045 posts)Do they find the notion of a person being "illegal" now silly?
Do they see something wrong when a person says that "All Lives Matter" but then shrugs and turns away when a refugee needs help?
How many mosques have they walked into and talked with the people there? What do they do when they are confronted with the notion that Muslims are people just like them?
When someone says gay and/or transgendered people are "deviant" or "sick", do they speak up in disagreement?
When people who look like them and believe like them are in their company and they call people who look different and believe differently lazy who don't deserve government assistance but that actually they earned their government assistance for some reason or another, do they stand up and call that wrong?
I don't see a lot of people with Trumpgrets swallowing their own pride, stop worrying about the speck in the eye of the liberals and get the log in their eye, and actually learning from their very big mistakes.
Nobody's going to change anything at all if only one side is doing all the reaching out.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)With other cult members right there in your FB feed?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Maggiemayhem
(809 posts)Once deprogrammed , they could become so pissed that they become hardcore activists for democrats. I say come on in , the water is warm. Look at Kos. If we get just a small percentage of them, it could turn the tide.
emulatorloo
(44,115 posts)pirateshipdude
(967 posts)not being taken care of. All it entails is being fooled by another Republican saying they will take care of them and they are back on the bus. Without addressing the core reason they sell themselves out, because of bigotry, nothing is accomplished.
central scrutinizer
(11,648 posts)I refuse to meet them halfway
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)barbtries
(28,787 posts)they just don't care if the country is run by one.
ck4829
(35,045 posts)Are they organizing and denouncing the violence of the Alexandre Bissonette, Adam Purinton, Mitchell Adkins types? Are they coming out against the alt-right/far-right types who see Anders Breivik and Dylann Roof as political prisoners?
Where are the moderate Trump supporters at?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You have to address the cultural anxiety, which is tough in an age of social media.
People backing up that cultural anxiety are in their twitter and FB feeds - not to mention their churches.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)From what I've read, a lot of the people who would benefit from more progressive policies (single-payer health care, etc.) oppose them because they're white supremacists and they have a visceral reaction that the government does too much to help the "wrong" people. That's one reason they vote against their own economic interests.
Obviously, it would be better if they abandoned their bigotry. Presumably some of them do, from time to time. The political problem is that most of them don't. They'll still be racists (and misogynists and homophobes etc.) in 2018 and 2020.
So, what's the middle ground? If they come to see just how bad Trump and his ilk are for THEM, then they don't necessarily have to commit to decency on a broader scale. Suppose they say, "I think the government does too much for the blacks, and I'm unhappy about voting for the Democratic candidate for that reason, but the Republican supports policies that hurt me terribly, so I'll hold my nose and vote for the Democrat."
That's not as good as a genuine conversion, but in many cases it's the best we can hope for. I'll take it. A vote is a vote.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)though. We need more votes to take our country back, or what will be left of it. That doesn't mean we weren't cheated out of it, again, because we were.
ck4829
(35,045 posts)Funny, didn't see them talking like this when they were screaming "WE WON! YOU LOST! GET OVER IT!", when they were talking about Muslim Americans as potential enemies just waiting to strike, Transgender Americans as all sexual predators in disguise, and when they shrugged off fears of Trumpcare from the most vulnerable of the people they now say they are their fellow Americans.
ProfessorGAC
(64,995 posts)And without having time to actually watch the vid, i don't see any actually apologies coming forth. I'm reading some people saying "maybe, sort of, i might have made a mistake." No outright admission that they screwed up.
Now they offer up a weak, "oh gee" and expect a warm embrace?
And since half of them are still supporters, that means they have half supporters and half who won't openly admit they were wrong.
Their attitude strikes me as a little entitled.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)What's wrong with YOU.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)people are really coming over to our side, you're the deluded ones.
If we look closely enough, we'll find the fax with this very tactic described. "Go out on the intertubes and say that you've seen the light, but those mean ol' Demoncrats won't welcome you with open arms, so they really ARE evillllll!!1!11!"
Please, folks, don't fall for this shit.
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)Try to see the other person's side more? The Trump humpers or is it jumpers since they are defecting, should maybe try that first. Maybe they should look at other people's situations and learn something. I am a very empathetic person and work in a helping profession but sometimes I get so frustrated with the selfishness of some people.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I understand it, but don't have it like they do.
I can't be silent when they say bigoted things - even if they don't think it's bigoted.
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)On the severity. One on one is much different than reading or listening to interviews. On an individual basis, we can work education and exposure. We also looking to see if there are any deep rooted issues (upbringing or personal experience) and go from there. My frustration and challenge is for those that refuse to see the other viewpoints.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)on what "working with education and exposure" entails?
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)It can be finding opportunities for individual to learn about diverse populations. I have had people in groups I facilitated that were of various backgrounds (ethnic, religious, socioeconomic status) in order to share with each other fears as well as misperceptions about each other. I have also worked to place people in volunteer work in order to learn. I am all about trying to gain understanding. If you are isolated and not exposed or don't interact with diverse populations, your worldview can be limited. I strive to expand horizons where I can.
dawg
(10,624 posts)But I have no patience at all for people who continue to support him, despite their "concerns".
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)B) "You MADE me do it!!" is the Abuser's Mentality.
C) Hey, "Party of Personal Responsibility" . . . . TRY TAKING SOME FOR ONCE.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)what about back when you were yelling "build that wall" and "lock her up"?
the best i can manage at this point is a smidgeon of pity because they can't help being stupid. but that only covers some of them. others are much worse than stupid, they're racist, misogynistic bigots who are willfully ignorant and fucking brainwashed by fox news and they chose to be.
it blows me away - they were the victims clamoring for change and now they're the victims who got more than they bargained for, and they still want to lay the blame at the feet of liberals and Democrats. ASSHOLES
Orsino
(37,428 posts)And a prelude to a good ol' fashioned both-sides pout.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Seriously.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)So again - Party shift from what? The most progressive platform in it's history?
You have avoided the question.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)They're "saddened" that the same Democrats they mocked, called unpatriotic, taunted won't give them a big group hug? Fuck them all.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)what we think. They should be voting issues and our behavior should be completely irrelevant, but for some it's not.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Sounds like a winner.
broadcaster90210
(333 posts)They will always vote for the next racist. They are to be shunned like the plague they are.
LonePirate
(13,417 posts)Pretty tough to bridge that cultural divide when I respect the Constitution and they do not.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)standingtall
(2,785 posts)Tells me this all a game to him. This is not some sporting event where it's our team vs their team and that the only results from it is little hard feelings after the game is over which are gotten over really quickly. No this is personal with real life consequences after Trump and republicans have been actively trying to destroy us they should expect backlash.
Bromwell
(123 posts)They are just rubes who became "interested" in politics when through the combo of media BS and social media BS they realized it was sort of fun to
a) hate Hillary
b) hate Obama
c) Love Trump
They were in a little club and it made them feel important and "patriotic".
And the kicker with "C" is he was the first candidate that REALLY spoke to them like the infants they are.
He doesn't use any big words. They like that, big words are hard.
He never speaks about specific policies or plans. They like that too...that stuff is boring and makes them feel dumb for not understanding stuff like what NATO even stands for or how the health insurance industry works.
He used catchy fun phrases like "drain the swamp" and "lock her up"....again...its FUN being in that club of other dopes who all don't have a clue.
Ask this type of Trump voter why Hillary was so bad, or how did Obama's policies hurt them....they have nothing. Some might try and stumble out some Benghazi trash answer or emails...but they have no idea, never did, never will....they just like the dope candidate speaking to them on their dope level. I have as we all do several family members or friends that voted Trump, posted Trump nonsense or shared horrible FB trash about Obama or Hillary....I will NEVER forget who they are and I will never look at them the same way again. My mind simply can not wrap around the idea that people could be this stupid.
lib-ruhl
(127 posts)you don't have to know Jack Schitt to be a registered voter. .Not the candidates, the issues, or the consequences!... That's who some of his supporters are. It was as simple as hearing MAGA to make them jump aboard the Trump train even though they had no idea where it was going!
aeromanKC
(3,322 posts)Fuck the Traitors this time!!
Lyricalinklines
(367 posts)Yes. We are all Americans. Dems make that clear in policies with inclusion a goal. Repugs make it known they are about exclusion with theirs. Actions = Consequences. Isn't that what they keep preaching!?!
But saying 'oops!' while expecting to be embraced unconditionally as one licks their own wounds is self serving and selfish while enforcing still the 'game' of abuse.
It's not "either/or" situation anymore. It's finding new ways of incorporating what works and discarding what doesn't in the situation.
Division is the means to attain control and power.
Unity builds strength.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)As much as it may feel good to attack and mock them, we're actually going to need some of their votes if we're to have any hope of taking our country back from the far right.
To the degree that these people are undermining the Democrats chances of winning, I can't really credit them with any more intelligence than the regretful Trump voters that they're reviling.
Gothmog
(145,129 posts)Anyone stupid enough to vote for trump needs to laughed at
VermontKevin
(1,473 posts)Squinch
(50,948 posts)Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)Fuck their buyer's remorse.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)And then come back and ask for forgiveness. But you don't commit such an egregious offense as this and expect to just be forgiven immediately. You owe the country, and the world, more than that.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)When we get into a discussion with anybody, a family or a stranger on social media, we need to remember we are all Americans first and this is a great country, she said. Were all proud to be Americans. So, just put that first in your mind and then try to see the other persons side and see what you have in common more.
Um, don't make fun of me for Trump "winning," (even though he didn't), threaten my health care, threaten my environment, threaten my state (CA), with no more federal funds because we're not going to jump on Trump's hate immigrants bandwagon, ignore Trump's obvious treason, and then come back and give me this, "We're all Americans" bullshit. If you're Americans, then fucking act like it.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)this is a matter of life and death, especially for PoC
erpowers
(9,350 posts)One of the Trump supporters is quoted as saying everyone needs to remember that we are all Americans and that we all love this country. She also said we should all try to see things from other people's point of view. The problem is that people like her did not do that when President Obama was in office. Trump supporters were not willing to see things from the point of view of President Obama and Democrats. Trump supporters did not want to believe that Democrats loved this country just as much as anyone else.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Because their hero didn't build the wall yet?
Because there are still Muslims in the country?
Because their benefits are in danger, not just minorities?
Fuck them.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)or need a clean environment, a safe good job and safe food and drink. What are we supposed to do, kiss their asses too?