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Australian woman shot dead by Minneapolis police
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HipChick
(25,485 posts)
Who approaches cops while wearing pajamas? If she had approached them in a respectful manner, they wouldn't have felt threatened. Obviously we need to wait for all the facts? Was she an illegal immigrant?
These are all the typical responses when it's a POC...
hunter
(38,310 posts)If she expected Australian cops, that was the fatal mistake.
The vast majority of U.S.A. cops can't be trusted with guns.
If I were emperor of this world I'd disarm 85% of them.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)
forgotmylogin
(7,527 posts)If you ever call 911, don't approach the cops or their vehicle. Stay a safe distance away in your home or in your car with the emergency flashers on, with empty hands visible and let them come to you. You aren't going to help by running out to tell them something when they are assessing the scene.
It's sad that we have to now apply rules to armed police that we would to unfamiliar dogs, not knowing if they are going to flinch and attack if startled.
The police should be the coolest heads in any tense situation, and I think it's a failure of training that they are so twitchy they will shoot a bystander just because they "hear a noise".
sarisataka
(18,600 posts)http://www.startribune.com/woman-killed-in-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-minneapolis/434782213/#1
jmg257
(11,996 posts)
LisaL
(44,973 posts)
tblue37
(65,328 posts)************
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Three sources with knowledge of the incident said Sunday that two officers in one squad car, responding to the 911 call, pulled into the alley. Damond, in her pajamas, went to the driver’s side door and was talking to the driver. The officer in the passenger seat pulled his gun and shot Damond through the driver’s side door, sources said. No weapon was found at the scene.
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http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-police-officer-who-shot-killed-woman-identified/434975623/#1
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)where implausibly the guy with a pony tail comes out with an uzi, declares he hates cops and opens fire.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,326 posts)"The system continues to fail black people, and it will continue to fail you all. Like I said, because this happened with Philando, when they get done with us, they coming for you, for you, for you and all your interracial children. Y'all are next, and you will be standing up here fighting for justice just as well as I am."
burnbaby
(685 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,326 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Can't imagine why.
On this police shooting.
This is a very sad thing.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Could it be that Innocent White Female Lives don't matter here.?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)That SUCKS, especially on a supposedly progressive board. Fuck that shit!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Victim a white female. Killer a black male.
DU wants nothing to do with that. Usually there are umpteen threads with a cop shooting. Smh.
Iggo
(47,549 posts)burnbaby
(685 posts)Iggo
(47,549 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)All The Time.....With about the same lack of caring you see here.
whathehell
(29,067 posts) WhiskeyGrinder
(22,326 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)The accused shooter is locked up immediately, pending charges. The victim's life mattered.
The accused shooter is placed on administrative leave from his job, with full pay and benefits. The victim's life didn't matter.
Government officials condemn the shooting in the strongest possible terms, and vow to prosecute the shooter to the fullest extent of the law. The victim's life mattered.
Government officials counsel everyone to remain calm, and let the shooter's friends and professional colleagues conduct the investigation. The victim's life didn't matter.
Friends and relatives are given free rein to express all their emotions: Grief, sorrow, anger, righteous retribution, and revenge. The victim's life mattered.
Friends and relatives express a feeble hope for answers, eventually, and small measures of grief and sorrow, but not anger, and certainly not revenge. The victim's life didn't matter.
Who has been locked up?
Iggo
(47,549 posts)If the shooter is put on paid administrative leave, the victim's life does not matter.
(That's a restating of the first two paragraphs of the post you're responding to. The rest of the post goes on in the same back and forth manner. In other words, nobody was locked up, therefore, to the cops and the rest of the justice system, the victim's life does not matter.)
cwydro
(51,308 posts)However, I've never seen ANY of these shootings where the victim's family is not allowed to grieve or express their feelings.
There've been no riots with this particular shooting. I guess Aussie lives don't matter much.
hatrack
(59,583 posts).
whathehell
(29,067 posts)she was a woman, and white and all,..Hell, she even had the nerve to be blonde!.... Maybe all that equals too much "privilege" for sympathy..
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Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)And, more importantly, it isn't how we should ever want it to work.
The end, the outcome is what matters. Sometimes that means someone isn't arrested instantly but in the end is held accountable. Sometimes that means a person is arrested only to be cleared later.
What happens in the immediate aftermath is nothing more than part of the process of a path to justice. It isn't indicative of guilt, innocnace or the value of the life of the other party. Claiming it is anything indicative of the value is absurd and displays a profound ignorance of how the justice system works and also expresses a demand for a justice system that has no due process protections and just serves up "instant justice" based not on facts or investigation but just to placate the mob who demands itZ
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)So I welcome additions and supplements.
And I wasn't calling for instant gratification, but pointing out that when there's a dead shooting victim and the likely shooter is quickly identified by the authorities, what happens next to that likely shooter is an indicator whether the victim's life mattered. In this case, the likely shooter was known almost immediately to the police. Was the shooter apprehended, disarmed, taken into custody, and locked up pending arraignment? Or was he sent home with full pay and benefits? Watch what happens in your neck of the woods the next time someone gets shot and killed and the likely shooter is known, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)And I've also been the person investigating before.
I've worked cases where the person claimed it was self defense and the evidence at the scheme initially wasn't enough to warrant an arrest, so they were not. But later the forensics and a more detailed examination of the circumstances showed that the claim of self defense was a lie, he was arrested, and he took a plea deal because the evidence against him was so overwhelming. Turns out it was a drug deal gone bad, not a home invasion/burglary like he claimed.
The end result was a conviction and jail time. Justice was served, and the handling in the first few hours days was only indicative of what was presented to the officers at the scene and not how the valued the victim.
If it matters to you, in this case the shooter was black and the person shot was not.
I've also worked a case where the officers initially responded arrested the shooter because it looked suspicious, but turned out that it was a justifiable homicide and all charges were dropped and she was released. This was a woman who shot her husband. It looked like spousal murder at first but further investigation showed she was a long time domestic violence victim and was acting in self defense at that moment.
Her arrest doesn't mean her abusers life was more valued, and in the end it was determined she acted in self defense. Her arrest was only a result of the information available to the officers at that moment and time.
If it matters to you both parties in that case were white.
What happens immediately after has no bearing on how the victims life is valued. It is only indicative of if they have a solid enough case to make the arrest if it seems warranted based on the information available. And also their judgement on if the person is a flight risk while they investigate, if they feel they need to gather more information before making an arrest to ensure the case is super solid, and a myriad of other factors.
It has nothing to do with how "valued" the victim is. Nothing. Zip. Nada. Making up that false dichotomy serves no purpose other than to invent new false reasons to fan flames of hate and division between the police and the public by attributing a bullshit motive to actions that have actual, real and rational explanations.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)every time he shoots someone in the line of duty, you are living in a dream world.
The appropriate course is the one that currently is in place. After an investigation is made, a conclusion is reached.
I will admit that the results of some of these investigations is questionable at best, but the due process is appropriate. That's what needs to be addressed.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)But you'd miss that, too. Thanks for playing.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)DU loved the capitol cops a few weeks ago,; it's hard to keep up.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,326 posts)petty vices and self-medicating behaviors, or not.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)There were none.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)This should stay on the first page.
Very saddened DU doesn't care about this.
I think I know why. Shame.
JI7
(89,247 posts)And not blaming the victim which always happens when it's a black person.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)To this day, police haven't even provided any rational or justification (from their point of view) as to why she was killed. As far as had been reported, she called 911 because she heard noises near her house. When police car arrived, she went and talked to the driver cop. Then, passenger cop shot her. No reason provided as to why.
She wasn't armed, she was in her pajamas.
JI7
(89,247 posts)And many others.
That's my point. In this case people ARE condemning what happened.
This does not happen when the victim is black.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)In this case she wasn't armed at all.
JI7
(89,247 posts)I don't see what happened in either case as being ok.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)She had no weapons.
JI7
(89,247 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)There was no way to tell from a distance whether it was the real thing or not.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)as to why, what, etc. No answers on why the body cams were off.
This is the same pd that murdered Castile.
Something is very wrong here.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)No explanation has been provided whatsoever.
Why would a cop shoot a woman who wasn't armed, has called 911 for help, and was talking to his partner?
JI7
(89,247 posts)It was murder and three guy should never have been hired .
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)They probably want to make sure no one else has video that can debunk their lies before they make up their story.
Disgusting.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,326 posts)One of the officers involved in the fatal shooting of Justine Damond said he heard a loud noise before realizing his partner had shot through an open window, striking Justine Damond in the abdomen, according to information released Tuesday evening by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension.
After nearly three days of silence, the agency on Tuesday released the first account of what happened that night based on a Tuesday interview with officer Matthew Harrity, 25, who was driving when his partner, officer Mohamed Noor, 32, fired the shot that killed Damond.
The fatal shooting of 40-year-old Damond, a spiritual healer from Australia who was engaged to be married, has made international headlines in the days since it happened, stirring community unrest toward police and calls from family and friends for an explanation as to why Noor shot her. The new information from the BCA does not fully answer those questions — in part because Noor refused to be interviewed by investigators, so his mind-set is still a mystery — but it offers a timeline of what happened that night. The BCA said Noor’s attorney, Thomas Plunkett, has not indicated whether the officer will give an interview. Harrity’s attorney, Fred Bruno, confirmed he was representing the officer but did not comment further.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Wtf?
LisaL
(44,973 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)On any number of levels.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)who refuses to answer questions immediately. No lawyer paid for by the union or the department.
He has the right to not incriminate himself. He does not have the right to keep his job.
Union rules may spell out the procedure, but that is what I think it should be.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)In other shooting cases that I heard of, cops claimed they feared for their life, but I don't recall one where they refused to even given an interview to the investigators.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)No doubt they're trying to gin up some ridiculous story to defend this asshat.
YCHDT
(962 posts)If there is not an adversarial questioning process at the beginning of the investigation, then the story that best fits the facts for the defendant is the one that goes in the record, and that becomes the "testimony" in any future trial (see Martin-Zimmerman).
As one person characterized the Zimmerman trial. His video was the testimony, and he never had to testify under adversarial questioning.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,326 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)Jackass
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,546 posts)Minneapolis (CNN)A Minneapolis police officer said he was startled by a loud sound near his squad car before his fellow officer shot dead Justine Ruszczyk, state investigators said.
Officer Michael Harrity has talked to state investigators, the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension said.
Officer Mohamed Noor, who was in the car with him and fired the weapon in the fatal shooting Saturday, has exercised his constitutional right not to speak to state investigators, the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension said Tuesday.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/19/us/minneapolis-australian-woman-killed-by-police/index.html
whathehell
(29,067 posts)When it comes to "blame" in these cases, gender matters too.
YCHDT
(962 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)You have only to look at the post previous to yours to find your answer.