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VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 06:29 PM Jul 2017

Chris Christie: Getting Russian Opposition Research Is 'Probably Against the Law'



(GLADSTONE, N.J.) — Republican Gov. Chris Christie on Monday addressed Donald Trump Jr.'s 2016 meeting with a Russian attorney, saying it's "probably against the law" to get opposition research for his father's presidential campaign from a foreign country.
But Christie, a friend and adviser to President Donald Trump, also said that it's too early be "jumping to conclusions" and that there's no evidence the campaign obtained such research.

"I think, quite frankly, it's probably against the law in addition to being inappropriate," Christie said. "I think the thing that bothers me the most is that we seem to have a frenzy of people jumping to conclusions."

Christie, a former U.S. attorney, spoke Monday at an unrelated event in his first public appearance since he ended a three-day government shutdown earlier this month. He was widely criticized after an NJ.com photographer snapped photos of him on a state beach closed to the public during the shutdown.

He traveled to Monday's news conference by state helicopter from another stay at Island Beach State Park.

http://time.com/4861843/chris-christie-donald-trump-jr-russia-meeting/


Fun fact, Christie prosecuted Kushner's dad. And I think he's signaling that he wasn't part of it.
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Chris Christie: Getting Russian Opposition Research Is 'Probably Against the Law' (Original Post) VermontKevin Jul 2017 OP
Ahh, so yes it is treason and bad but we shouldn't jump to conclusions. Got ya. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #1
Basically, the Watergate burglars shouldn't have been prosecuted because they didn't get anything. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #2
Another season coming on NEtflix, btw Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #4
It does not matter if they got it malaise Jul 2017 #3
Right -- I didn't have intercourse with the prostitute... klook Jul 2017 #11
Hehehehehhe malaise Jul 2017 #13
I held you up at gunpoint central scrutinizer Jul 2017 #17
Yes if you're a ReTHUG or so they think malaise Jul 2017 #19
He's an attorney. He doesn't fucking know?! leftstreet Jul 2017 #5
Christie loves to shut down many things. gordianot Jul 2017 #6
Trump outbullied him. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #7
"inappropriate"? ya think? Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #8
Well, at least he can't use that "I'm not an attorney" dodge gratuitous Jul 2017 #9
Reminds me of this: VermontKevin Jul 2017 #10
With Hillary emails, Republicans wanted everyone to jump to conclusions MiddleClass Jul 2017 #15
You mean he took time off from his crusade to get pot smokers sent to supermax? Warren DeMontague Jul 2017 #12
We'll only need to jump to conclusions until LakeArenal Jul 2017 #14
When Trump loses Chris Christie on a legal issue, it is all over Gothmog Jul 2017 #16
The question is not IF it was unlawful... but HOW MANY ways it WAS UNLAWFUL... MedusaX Jul 2017 #18
So is blocking traffic lanes to punish political opponents. yellowcanine Jul 2017 #20

klook

(12,154 posts)
11. Right -- I didn't have intercourse with the prostitute...
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 06:54 PM
Jul 2017

I just went to a motel room with her and gave her money! She seemed like a nice kid, down on her luck....

central scrutinizer

(11,648 posts)
17. I held you up at gunpoint
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 08:06 PM
Jul 2017

But the gun wasn't loaded and you didn't have any money in your wallet so I just threw it down and left. So I'm innocent. Don't get your knickers in a twist!

leftstreet

(36,106 posts)
5. He's an attorney. He doesn't fucking know?!
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 06:37 PM
Jul 2017

In 1987, Christie joined the law firm of Dughi, Hewit & Palatucci of Cranford, New Jersey.[44] In 1993, he was named a partner in the firm.[44] Christie specialized in securities law, appellate practice, election law, and government affairs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Christie#Law_practice_and_local_politics

At the very least, he could have researched it a bit before running his mouth off

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
6. Christie loves to shut down many things.
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 06:39 PM
Jul 2017

Bridges, disaster relief, beaches now what conclusions are we left to ponder? He is very similar to Trump both are bullies who will lie to their dying breath.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
9. Well, at least he can't use that "I'm not an attorney" dodge
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 06:50 PM
Jul 2017

But heaven forbid that anyone jump to conclusions, Governor. Just because it looks illegal as all hell, and that our country has been sold out to the Russians, let's not get all hasty and stuff, right?

Now, let's talk about Secretary Clinton's e-mails, which were never hacked, and how irresponsible that was.

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
15. With Hillary emails, Republicans wanted everyone to jump to conclusions
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 07:16 PM
Jul 2017

With Don the con Junior, don't jump to any conclusions ever.

I wonder what the distance is?

I can't figure that one out.

Anybody?

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
14. We'll only need to jump to conclusions until
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 07:13 PM
Jul 2017

Mueller finishes his investigation and releases the facts...
So you see Crispy, soon all our conclusions will be realized.

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
18. The question is not IF it was unlawful... but HOW MANY ways it WAS UNLAWFUL...
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 08:26 PM
Jul 2017

For the sake of argument, let's pretend that
1. Jr. *believed* that this information was not obtained by any unlawful acts {you know, like stolen from someone's cyber cloud/ e-mailbox by a hacker or anything like that}
This way no one has to worry about pesky things like receiving / possessing / soliciting stolen goods.

2. Jr. Truly believed that this was simply a one way transfer of documents... with no expectation of payment to be received in exchange...
This way no one has to worry about Quid-Pro-Quo involving future payment in the form of classified military intelligence data or sanction lifting in order to provide comfort/aide to Russian government
Or any concerns of bribery of a politician by a foreign nation.

Clearly, all parties involved, at some point, believed that the information would be of value to the Trump Campaign efforts.
Otherwise, 8 people from across the globe would not have made time in their schedule and put forth effort to all convene at Trump Tower to discuss the acquisition of this information.

The intent, therefore, was for Jr. To obtain this contribution of information, which all parties believed to be of useful value to the Trump campaign, from a group of foreign nationals thought to be acting on behalf of a foreign government.

Which is unlawful according to:
>snip<
52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

(a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value,
or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

(b) “Foreign national” definedAs used in this section, the term “foreign national” means—

(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22,
except that the term “foreign national” shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or
(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.

(Pub. L. 92–225, title III, § 319, formerly § 324, as added Pub. L. 94–283, title I, § 112(2), May 11, 1976, 90 Stat. 493; renumbered § 319, Pub. L. 96–187, title I, § 105(5), Jan. 8, 1980, 93 Stat. 1354; amended Pub. L. 107–155, title III, §§ 303, 317, Mar. 27, 2002, 116 Stat. 96, 109.)
>snip<
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/30121


No "jump" required to conclude that the act was unlawful.
So, perhaps Christie is troubled because there are so many different UNLAWFUL categories from which to choose...

eenie- meenie- miny- moe
Catch a traitor by ...
Quid-Pro-quo?
Espionage co-ordination, no?
Accepting Foreign Campaign Dough?
How bout a bribe ? Possibly so.
The prosecutor will pick the very best one ..
And RICO is its name-o...

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