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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI see several threads saying they need 60 votes for full Obamacare repeal. So, what...
are they trying so hard to do with this bill?
nmgaucho
(527 posts)SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)The repubs will try and do it on their own, otherwise they'll consider repealing without replacing.
Talk to the Democrats? LOL!!!! McCain really is starting to lose it.
MiniMe
(21,714 posts)They just wouldn't vote for it because it came from Obama.
Rollo
(2,559 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...is to introduce the bill, fail to get the sixty votes needed for cloture, then blame the "obstructionist Democrats" for every problem with our current healthcare system.
Gothmog
(145,079 posts)MiddleClass
(888 posts)I am not a specialist in parliamentary rules of the Senate, you know who is? Lawrence O'Donnell, more than a decade in finance committee.
(That's why this is a really hard question to answer, let me try to explain). Taken with a grain of salt.
Technically, any legislation takes only 50 votes, but can be filibustered by the minority (their choice) to override that filibuster it requires 60 votes,
(this you probably know).
Technically, any legislation that is primary budgetary takes only 50 votes (keep the government running under normal budgetary perimeters)
that restricted procedure is called reconciliation and must lower the deficit. The Senate parliamentarian decides what is and what is not allowed.
Technically, you could defund and cripple most laws that require funding, but you can't actually kill them,
technically, you can defund and overlay Obama care, which would modify it so much that it would not be Obama care anymore, Obama care lite, Ryan care Trump care.
The Senate is the only body that has protections for the minority party, the majority usually does not run roughshod over the minority party. 2 Foxes and 1 chicken voting on what's for dinner
And brings us to why I use "technically" terminology, it is believed the majority have the power to destroy this last tradition because they have the power set their own rules with 50 votes.
So technically the Senate can if it wanted to "I think" defund any government program, and basically kill it with only 50 votes.
As long as it reduces the deficit, doing that would guarantee each senator voting for that would lose their job next election
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)really get what's going on here.
I suspect it's really just some arcane Senate rule making for whatever reason.
Kicking the can along is as good as any, I guess.
MiddleClass
(888 posts)Again, technically, Republicans are trying to do with under the wire of reconciliation because they don't have the votes to get 60
looks like they don't have 50, to invoke the vice president's tiebreaker.
Exactly, it's a budget exception, to keep government operating when the 2 sides are at war.
That's why it's called Obama care lite, by the money hawks.
Paul Ryan tried to slip in the dismantling of Medicaid, and it woke up a sleeping giant.
Republicans failed to kick the can down the road stripping required parts, hoping the can would disappear.
They might be got away with it if they didn't overreach into Medicaid, which is their real problem.
I think by overreaching, it put the Democrats/Schumer in the driver seat. Going forward,
that's great, eliminate the option of doing what they're doing, strengthen Obama care with the public option
flamingdem
(39,312 posts)Medicaid dismantling.
That idiot Paul Ryan has been a plus in some senses. What if they had
someone with a brain running things!
MiddleClass
(888 posts)They might've gotten away with it,
all those videos of handicapped people in Capitol Hill, McConnell's office, local offices all over getting arrested by police for the crime of standing up for their rights, videos of severely handicapped people just trying to live with their parents, would not have been invoked.
Just videos of sick able-bodied people telling their stories hoping for compassion.
There would not have been this strong of reaction and the resulting reaction by single Senate Republicans either trying to save their butt or suffering from compassion. Either way, it's good.
Of the ways they might've succeeded
MiddleClass
(888 posts)From the Republican point of view, they're just trying to reduce Obama care, taxes
and more importantly, lay the groundwork to cut spending on Obama care so they can give tax cuts for the rich on steroids, and keep that CBO number way down.
From the Democratic point of view, that trying to take away people's healthcare to give massive tax cuts to the rich and corporations.
That's the short version
Gothmog
(145,079 posts)Link to tweet
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