Obamacare crashing will lead to Single Payer?

[SHRED]

I get the sense that this is how some here think.
Like they are cheering on the ACA crash in hopes the crash leads to a single payer system.

I don't see that happening.

[Demsrule86]

1. It won't happen and people here who push that are willing to let thousands die,

and that is disgusting...without a super majority which could be years in the future, there will never be single payer.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

2. Lol. People are delusional.

[DesertRat]

3. I think that 45 would support it if he knew that it is POPULAR

It would get him good RATINGS and make him a WINNER.

[Eliot Rosewater]

4. What we need to understand is the GOP is working overtime to kill AMericans.

If they put this much work into SAVING healthcare or the planet, for instance, can you imagine?

Anyway, I expect the exact same people who voted them in power or almost into power given the elections were stolen, will do so again while they are taking away their benefits.

Right now they already believe that any reduction in benefits will be the fault of Obama.

By allowing the Soviets to steal our election, we gave power to a very stupid minority.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

5. I definitely wouldn't count on it

It very nearly didn't pass in 2009-2010. People are only now- 7 years in- beginning to notice and appreciate the ACA, largely because the Republicans now have a serious chance of taking it away. If it went away tomorrow, getting the ACA back, let alone adopting Single Payer, seems like an impossibility. The soonest we would realistically be able to win back Congress is 2020 and we need to have a good 2018 as well. Even then, we really need a Democratic President + Democratic Congress with a super majority (60+) of (progressive) Democrats committed to adopting Single Payer. There doesn't seem to be any other type of scenario- short of a massive public health disaster (which we don't want either)- where Single Payer gets adopted anytime really soon. IMHO we need to save and enhance ACA and continue to build it into a more progressive system that eventually resembles Single Payer (if not Single Payer directly).

[still_one]

6. You are right Shred. That is like throwing the baby out with the bath water. The ACA is a starting

point.

In fact that was the very point Noam Chomsky made toward those who refused to vote for Hillary:

"“I think they [made] a bad mistake,” said Chomsky, who reiterated that it’s important to keep a “greater evil” from obtaining power, even if you’re not thrilled with the alternative. “I didn’t like Clinton at all, but her positions are much better than Trump’s on every issue I can think of.”

Chomsky also attacked the arguments made by philosopher Slavoj Zizek, who argued that Trump’s election would at least shake up the system and provide a real rallying point for the left.

“[Zizek makes a] terrible point,” Chomsky told Hasan. “It was the same point that people like him said about Hitler in the early ’30s… he’ll shake up the system in bad ways.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/noam-chomsky-progressives-who-refused-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton-made-a-bad-mistake/

[Johonny]

8. The long term concept is ACA will lead to a quasi-single payer through medicare expansion

which is why the medicare expansion is the part of the ACA the GOPers hate the most.

[still_one]

14. I agree, but it will take while before that happens

[newblewtoo]

7. A couple more life time

Supreme Court appointments and it won't matter how many progressives are elected. That was the real battle which was lost. 'Cants are already looking to salt the court with younger more conservative members.

Check out this article from Salon almost a year ago.

https://www.salon.com/2016/07/29/the_next_president_will_likely_appoint_4_supreme_court_justices_who_do_you_want_picking_them_partner/

I feel like we been shucked and fucked and they ain't done with the cob yet.

[Vinca]

9. No, it won't happen, but I bet if someone got in Don's ear about how much money the

Trump organization would save if we had single-payer we might get a proposal out of Dear Leader. Doesn't he realize they pay out zero for the Scottish golf course employees? The pitch has to be how it benefits Don, not how it benefits the people.

[ehrnst]

10. No. Single payer would take decades to implement, the catastrophe from repeal would be immediate.

Universal health care coverage can be acheived with multiple payers, like most of Europe does, and would still take years to implement.

A gradual expansion of the ACA is the most likely way to achieve universal health care.

Even the ACA took years to get up to speed.

[MiddleClass]

11. Ironic thing, that is exactly the way some conservatives see it.

Obama care was the conservative, Republican, solution to universal healthcare.

Obama just sacrificed perfection for the doable.

Liberal, Democratic, solution solves healthcare inability was single-payer, universal healthcare, and at the very least a public option under Obama care.

We tried it their conservative way, they said that it failed, so now they fear the public will say try it the Democratic way.

Now if we can push for single-payer, and at the least demand a public option in Obama care that would be technically, Medicare for all, with the low premium, paid by the current subsidy.

Lower Medicare to age 55 and call it a day.

Slowly introduce public option clinics/hospitals and let them compete with the private market to suppress prices

[ehrnst]

12. Very close to HRC's plan. (nt)

[MiddleClass]

13. Yes it is ;)

I thought Hillary's original plan was a little bit too conservative,

I thought Bernie's plan was wrongheaded, called Medicare for all, but wasn't. It was Medicaid for all.

After the primaries, Bernie and Hillary modified their plans into what I call doable.

Which is basically what I outlined.

Just provide a type of real Medicare for all, as a public option without the senior subsidy, but with Obama care subsidy. I.e. public option, just like and distributed like Medicare.

Don't touch healthcare providers, outside of negotiating a discount in prescription drugs.

Make it optional, but to get the Obama care subsidy, you got to pick the public option.

Otherwise pay the going fair