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kentuck

(111,079 posts)
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 12:58 PM Jul 2017

** The biggest money-laundering operation in the history of the world! **

And I am very sorry to report that the President of the United States is part of it.

Do you think it was just a coincidence that the eighth name from the meeting was so slow to leak?

It was about the sanctions all along and how much they had affected the money-laundering operations of American and Russian "oligarchs".

Just as it is a coincidence that Mitch McConnell picked today to have a vote to repeal "Obamacare". They are hoping to distract the American public from this earth-shaking news.

The dots are coming together and the picture is beginning to come into focus.

The eighth person in the meeting, which, as far as we know, no one came forward to identify that was in the meeting with him, was Irakly (Ike) Kaveladze. According to the NYtimes from an article from 2000, yes 2000:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2000/11/29/business/laundering-of-money-seen-as-easy.html

A Congressional inquiry has found that it is ''relatively easy'' for foreigners to hide their identities and form shell companies here that can launder money through American banks.

In a a nine-month inquiry that subpoenaed bank records, the investigators found that an unknown number of Russians and other East Europeans moved more than $1.4 billion through accounts at Citibank of New York and the Commercial Bank of San Francisco.

The accounts had been opened by Irakly Kaveladze, who immigrated to the United States from Russia in 1991, according to Citibank and Mr. Kaveladze. He set up more than 2,000 corporations in Delaware for Russian brokers and then opened the bank accounts for them, without knowing who owned the corporations, according to the report by the General Accounting Office, which has not been made public.

The report said the banks had failed to conduct any ''due diligence'' into identifying the owners of the accounts.
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The Special Counsel is getting very close to the crown jewels, comrade.

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** The biggest money-laundering operation in the history of the world! ** (Original Post) kentuck Jul 2017 OP
Kick. dalton99a Jul 2017 #1
Yup jpak Jul 2017 #2
How soon before the "I am not a crook" speech? livetohike Jul 2017 #3
It will be an "I am not a crook" tweet! Initech Jul 2017 #46
Or some shyster lawyer PatSeg Jul 2017 #59
He violated his oath. Any "country lawyer" knows that. mobeau69 Jul 2017 #63
Well, I think some of Trump's lawyers PatSeg Jul 2017 #67
Kick WheelWalker Jul 2017 #4
K&R. n/t rzemanfl Jul 2017 #5
K&R HAB911 Jul 2017 #6
As much as we would like GallopingGhost Jul 2017 #7
It should encourage us all that Mueller's office called to get the name. kentuck Jul 2017 #9
I pray they are GallopingGhost Jul 2017 #42
Kick kentuck Jul 2017 #8
Looking forward to revelations! get the red out Jul 2017 #10
So does the Magnitsky Act mess this up? mitch96 Jul 2017 #11
He has tried everything. kentuck Jul 2017 #13
So this is the real reason that the media isn't talking about? Ilsa Jul 2017 #60
I recommend looking at the various rich kids of Instagram accounts Not Ruth Jul 2017 #12
For instance Not Ruth Jul 2017 #15
That's just gross. byronius Jul 2017 #23
First ones with their backs against the wall... KatyMan Jul 2017 #25
Don had a previous warning about violating money laundering regulations when he owned the N.J. Vinca Jul 2017 #14
There's a reason there are so many secret meetings with Russians. kentuck Jul 2017 #16
If this is what we know, Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #17
They have known this for a long time. kentuck Jul 2017 #19
Because they have to make a water-tight case first, right? Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #20
They still have to fight the lawyers... kentuck Jul 2017 #22
Why not prosecute each and every one of the people involved? Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #24
They are scattered around the world. kentuck Jul 2017 #27
Trump and his direct associates? Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #29
Much more. kentuck Jul 2017 #33
I wish this was nearing the end... Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #35
It's only just begun. kentuck Jul 2017 #39
Me too. Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #40
Prosecute them for what? Cicada Jul 2017 #76
Money laundering is against the law Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #77
It's not money laundering Cicada Jul 2017 #78
I would imagine the team of investigator will find proof. Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #79
Mueller can't enforce subpoenas in Russia Cicada Jul 2017 #80
I see your point. Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #81
As always, follow the money... Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #18
So, he was there because he had close ties to the Trumps. A known friend, to put them at ease. byronius Jul 2017 #21
Why didn't Don Jr, Jared, or Manafort report him being at the meeting???? kentuck Jul 2017 #28
I'm reading that he was investigated by congress in 2000 for Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #32
I Believe That Question Me. Jul 2017 #55
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jul 2017 #26
there is, apparently, no bottom to this cesspool. niyad Jul 2017 #30
And, for any DUers who are doing their own research, here's a list of Ike Kaveladze's aliases: Mrs. Overall Jul 2017 #31
Thanks Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #34
+100 kentuck Jul 2017 #37
So why did the US Intelligence groups never act on this scam before? BSdetect Jul 2017 #36
It was bigger than the FBI alone... kentuck Jul 2017 #38
The "scam" (treason; money-laundering; felonious omissions on security papers; election WinkyDink Jul 2017 #70
Everyone always asks the question "How do you lose money running a Casino?" smirkymonkey Jul 2017 #74
K & R mountain grammy Jul 2017 #41
republican Comrade Casino's* criminal operation Achilleaze Jul 2017 #43
Unfortunately... kentuck Jul 2017 #44
K&R! gademocrat7 Jul 2017 #45
Bingo! MelissaB Jul 2017 #47
k and r Stuart G Jul 2017 #48
Trump is finally going to solve the deficit. Asset seizures in the billions ..... L. Coyote Jul 2017 #49
Assets enid602 Jul 2017 #57
This is huge malaise Jul 2017 #50
I don't see a primary source of information. Who is reporting this? The NYT report is from 17 years Eyeball_Kid Jul 2017 #51
Which "holes"...? kentuck Jul 2017 #52
Deploralbes dont understand, dont care, love him more today than yesterday. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #53
In the end, it won't matter how much they love him. kentuck Jul 2017 #54
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! vkkv Jul 2017 #56
No big deal, Citibank is "too big to jail". n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2017 #58
Until they "reform" the banking/finance laws IronLionZion Jul 2017 #61
So the money laundering guy wanted to adopt? sellitman Jul 2017 #62
He wanted to adopt Trump. kentuck Jul 2017 #64
I MUST, MUST, MUST see his tax returns (all of them). BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #65
I hope we'll hear Maddow on this tonight flamingdem Jul 2017 #66
Whoa! babylonsister Jul 2017 #68
Interesting!!!! burrowowl Jul 2017 #69
What is Kaveladze's interest in adoption programs?? Beartracks Jul 2017 #71
Incredible. ElementaryPenguin Jul 2017 #72
K&R... spanone Jul 2017 #73
Malcom nance is discussing this with steph miller Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #75
KKK Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #82
The real worry is that drumph is so far involved with all these scams that he will do anything BSdetect Jul 2017 #83
Just connect the dots. triron Jul 2017 #84
kick for visibility triron Jul 2017 #85
knr triron Jul 2017 #86

livetohike

(22,140 posts)
3. How soon before the "I am not a crook" speech?
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:03 PM
Jul 2017

Trump thinks he is smarter than everyone and can get away with whatever he chooses. It's unraveling.

PatSeg

(47,410 posts)
59. Or some shyster lawyer
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 03:22 PM
Jul 2017

going on TV to declare that no laws have been broken. These people are shameless, as well as not terribly bright.

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
7. As much as we would like
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:19 PM
Jul 2017

him to pay for the disgrace he has brought to the office, and to our country, I think it will be the laundering which will take him, and hopefully many of his cronies, down.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
8. Kick
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:19 PM
Jul 2017

one time.

Folks, this is big.

The repeal of Obamacare story today is an intentional distraction from this story. The Wall Street story this morning, calling for Trump to be "transparent", is also just a distraction. This is a very big story.

mitch96

(13,892 posts)
11. So does the Magnitsky Act mess this up?
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:24 PM
Jul 2017

If assets are frozen, and Putin has a lot in the freezer he would try ANYTHING to un freeze them and steal more money. Launder thru American R.E.deals, yes?
m

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
60. So this is the real reason that the media isn't talking about?
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 03:32 PM
Jul 2017

Wd have $$$ billions of russian money that Putin cannot access?

Damn. We need to raid the banks! Fail them all that participated, redistribute.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
12. I recommend looking at the various rich kids of Instagram accounts
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:24 PM
Jul 2017

Other than the various oil countries kids, who lead relatively tame lives with fleets of nice cars, you will find legions of 20 year olds from certain other countries living a very conspicuous lifestyle. I suspect that almost all of these kids are benefitting from money laundering.

Vinca

(50,267 posts)
14. Don had a previous warning about violating money laundering regulations when he owned the N.J.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:27 PM
Jul 2017

casino so it's no surprise. As David Cay Johnston noted, the best way to launder money is through hotels, casinos and real estate. That's a trifecta for Dear Leader.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
16. There's a reason there are so many secret meetings with Russians.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:28 PM
Jul 2017

The Donald is up to his lying eyeballs in this mess.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
19. They have known this for a long time.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:32 PM
Jul 2017

But knowing about something and doing something about it are two different things.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
22. They still have to fight the lawyers...
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:38 PM
Jul 2017

who have all the time and money in the world to fight with.

They will have to pick and choose whom they prosecute, in my opinion.

But, it was about the sanctions all along. Or rather the wish to have the sanctions over-turned. This could be very bad news for Comrade Putin, also.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
27. They are scattered around the world.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:45 PM
Jul 2017

It would take a lot of manpower and a lot of time to find them all. But they should get the kingpins. I think they will.

Shell_Seas

(3,332 posts)
29. Trump and his direct associates?
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:46 PM
Jul 2017

43 were arrested at Watergate. I keep hearing it may be more than that.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
76. Prosecute them for what?
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 11:29 AM
Jul 2017

Is it illegal for a foreign person to own a US corporation and not reveal he owns it?

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
78. It's not money laundering
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:36 PM
Jul 2017

Different governments define money laundering differently. Most require that the funds derive from criminal activity which is then disguised as from a legal source. Hence Walter White bought a car wash.

It is not clear that all or even most of disguised Russian money starts out from crime. Many Russians want their money out but don't want Putin to know they are bailing out on Russia. Or they don't want people to know they are so rich in case they face extortion. Or they don't want creditors to find their assets. Etc.

So we can't just lock such people up absent proof their money is dirty.

Shell_Seas

(3,332 posts)
79. I would imagine the team of investigator will find proof.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:47 PM
Jul 2017

Where there is smoke...and there is a lot of smoke...

I guess we'll have to see where the chips fall.

I don't think money laundering is all of it though, I think there are a wide array of crimes at all levels from Trump on down.

But since the wheels of justice turn slowly, I suggest in the meanwhile we all invest in popcorn stocks.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
80. Mueller can't enforce subpoenas in Russia
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:10 PM
Jul 2017

It will not be easy to prove money from Russia was earned dishonestly.

There are trillions of dirty dollars floating in the global financial system. How many have been captured so far? A fraction of one percent I think.

Shell_Seas

(3,332 posts)
81. I see your point.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:15 PM
Jul 2017

Hopefully there are audio or even video tapes.

Plus witnesses that have been flipped. (Flynn, Manafort)

A lot of this stuff more than likely did happen in America.

byronius

(7,394 posts)
21. So, he was there because he had close ties to the Trumps. A known friend, to put them at ease.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:35 PM
Jul 2017

Perfect.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
28. Why didn't Don Jr, Jared, or Manafort report him being at the meeting????
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:46 PM
Jul 2017

They tried to keep his name concealed. Why??

Shell_Seas

(3,332 posts)
32. I'm reading that he was investigated by congress in 2000 for
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:47 PM
Jul 2017

Russian money laundering.

Appearance of guilt, maybe.

Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
31. And, for any DUers who are doing their own research, here's a list of Ike Kaveladze's aliases:
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:47 PM
Jul 2017

Irakly Kaveladze
Irakly T Kaveladze
Tomaz Kaveladze
Ike T Kaveladze
Ikethomas Kaveladze

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
36. So why did the US Intelligence groups never act on this scam before?
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:51 PM
Jul 2017

Why does the GOP cripple the IRS and the Post Office.

The stench of massive corruption is growing.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
70. The "scam" (treason; money-laundering; felonious omissions on security papers; election
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:02 AM
Jul 2017

fraud; etc.) all stems from TRUMP.

THAT is why NOW.

If you are asking why the Feds didn't go after the corrupt activities (e.g. money-laundering) of Businessman Trump before now---he isn't a famous woman (Anne Gorsuch; Leona Helmsley; Martha Stewart). Half-kidding.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
74. Everyone always asks the question "How do you lose money running a Casino?"
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:30 AM
Jul 2017

I am thinking that Trump never meant those casinos to ever turn a profit. They were nothing more than money laundering operations which was why he didn't care if the business itself was doing well. The casino business - due to its high cash flow - was the perfect front for a laundering operation.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
43. republican Comrade Casino's* criminal operation
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 01:59 PM
Jul 2017

is a treasonous travesty of the highest order. republicans - in supporting their ignoble and criminal Draft-Dodger-in-Chief - are totally turning their backs on America and Americans.

deplorable republican money-laundering criminality on an epic scale.

enid602

(8,614 posts)
57. Assets
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 03:02 PM
Jul 2017

Schneiderman can only seize assets in NY State. The money, if there is any was offshored long ago. But the AG will get records, which could be of considerable interest.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,430 posts)
51. I don't see a primary source of information. Who is reporting this? The NYT report is from 17 years
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 02:41 PM
Jul 2017

ago.

Which Congressional inquiry? Chaired by whom?

It's great news if it's true. But there are too many holes in your article.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
52. Which "holes"...?
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 02:45 PM
Jul 2017

...are you most concerned about?

The Special Counsel will fill in the holes, I am quite certain.

IronLionZion

(45,431 posts)
61. Until they "reform" the banking/finance laws
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 04:03 PM
Jul 2017

and repeal some "job killing regulations" to make America great again like it was around 1929.

I would be very suspicious of Trump or the GOP meddling with financial laws or firing people investigating this.

babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
68. Whoa!
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 09:28 PM
Jul 2017

I am watching Rachel cover this; I have been out of the loop. Every damn day; the crown jewels can't happen soon enough!

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
75. Malcom nance is discussing this with steph miller
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:42 AM
Jul 2017

as I type

Putting the meeting boys in a perjury trap.

Calling WSJ editorial the most important story of the week: they have to come clean

How can they?

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
83. The real worry is that drumph is so far involved with all these scams that he will do anything
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 12:06 PM
Jul 2017

to hold on to his imagined status as POTUS

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