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Slowpoke Toon- What is Treason? (Original Post) n2doc Jul 2017 OP
Funny... Liberal Jesus Freak Jul 2017 #1
Great cartoon Gothmog Jul 2017 #2
To quote the John Birch Society, rogerashton Jul 2017 #3
Sad but true. All over the media last few days. FailureToCommunicate Jul 2017 #4
It's a losing argument but.... TomSlick Jul 2017 #5
You stick to your excuses... canuckledragger Jul 2017 #6
But wasn't he hacking an attack on the US? alfredo Jul 2017 #7
Again, I'll not convince folks but TomSlick Jul 2017 #8
I think treason is a stretch. With cyber attacks we need to to redefine war. alfredo Jul 2017 #9
Cool Pics. TomSlick Jul 2017 #10
I'm Army, Army Sercurity Agency. alfredo Jul 2017 #11
My deepest appologies. TomSlick Jul 2017 #12
No offense taken. alfredo Jul 2017 #13

rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
3. To quote the John Birch Society,
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 07:50 PM
Jul 2017

"Treason never prospers. Here's the reason:
when it prospers, none dare call it treason."

TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
5. It's a losing argument but....
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 08:31 PM
Jul 2017

the difference I hope for between the Democrats and the GOP is that the Democrats are grown-ups. Right wing hysteria and hyperbole should not be emulated because it is too easily dismissed as hysteria and hyperbole.

We Democrats are (or should be) too smart to be tripped up on a word. No, nothing that Trump and his cabal have done is treason. Yes, it's not treason because we're not at war with Russia. However, Trump and his flunkies are disloyal - Un-American - Russian toadies - pick your word - just not treason.

canuckledragger

(1,636 posts)
6. You stick to your excuses...
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 08:36 PM
Jul 2017

And we'll still call it what it is.

Treason. Get used to it, because that's what trump DID.

TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
8. Again, I'll not convince folks but
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:17 PM
Jul 2017

it's not enough that the hacking was an attack.

Article III, Section 3 of the US Constitution: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

Since we are not at war with Russia, Trump cannot be guilty of treason for helping Russia in its attack on the US election. It was disloyal, it was a violation of campaign laws, it was probably a violation of the Espionage Act, it was also probably a violation of RICO, etc. For the US to charge Trump with treason would be tantamount to a declaration of war against Russia.

Contrary to the earlier response, I am not making excuses for Trump. I am looking forward to his impeachment and the jailing of as many of his cabal as possible. All I am saying is that we do not need to give ammunition to the wingnuts by misusing important words. We don't need hyperbole - the hard, cold facts are enough. It adds nothing to call what Trump did treason. It is more than enough to say that it was at least disloyal and probably criminal.

alfredo

(60,071 posts)
9. I think treason is a stretch. With cyber attacks we need to to redefine war.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:29 AM
Jul 2017

I was Morse intercept in the 60's. The battlefield has changed. Back then our weapon was an R-390A , a telegrapher's mill, and a field of doppler antennas sitting on top of an extinct volcano.



All uppercase and used with 6 ply

TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
12. My deepest appologies.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 09:43 PM
Jul 2017

I jumped to the wrong conclusion from the photo of a Navy typewriter.

No libel intended. I feel terrible for assuming a soldier was a squid.

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