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drray23

(7,616 posts)
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 08:44 PM Jul 2017

i guess we could learn from bernie on messaging..

So, guess who is on all in with ari melber taking a victory lap about the health care bill demise, yeap Bernie. He is much better at hammering a message than our democratic leaders. As far as I could see, the gop efforts were largely twarthed by the grass root organizations who mobilized heavily. I did not see Bernie there at the forefront any more than schumer or others.


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i guess we could learn from bernie on messaging.. (Original Post) drray23 Jul 2017 OP
Sanders is adept at taking credit for something he has not done. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #1
i did not want to put it that way in the spirit of unity drray23 Jul 2017 #2
What? The unity comes from not hording the glory, for sure. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #3
Yes, that's why I'm glad that Al Gore is back in R B Garr Jul 2017 #42
I guess we could say the same with Hillary Clinton and health care. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #44
+1, he is the beneficiary of great press coverage. R B Garr Jul 2017 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author tonedevil Jul 2017 #15
Bernie is a great leader .... May not have seen him in the forefront for a reason Kathy M Jul 2017 #4
He does a lot of the talking. He doesn't do a lot of the work. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #6
Exactly Me. Jul 2017 #7
Correct. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #10
you have your opinion , others have theirs ..... No reason for you or others Kathy M Jul 2017 #16
"does not accomplish anything" you have your opinion , others have theirs pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #26
LOL Kathy M Jul 2017 #28
I hear you. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #33
Criticizing politicians does not accomplish anything, and it leads to marginalization! lapucelle Jul 2017 #100
Same goes for criticizing Democrats. R B Garr Jul 2017 #29
Here's Sanders most recent report card from GovTrack lapucelle Jul 2017 #46
That is an interesting site. I bookmarked so I can use in the future, and check out other pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #47
On the issues.org is another great site for researching candidates. lapucelle Jul 2017 #74
That is a great site! Not a great report card, though. R B Garr Jul 2017 #80
You couldn't be more WRONG! m-lekktor Jul 2017 #17
Nu uh. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #27
Indeed. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #35
Yeah, he's only been all around the country holding healthcare rallies. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #83
Riiiight!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #90
He HOARDED THE GLORY! BERNIE'S A GLORY HOARDER! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #94
So Bernie actually credited and thanked the people, he didn't "hoard the glory". beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #9
yes he did ...... Kathy M Jul 2017 #13
Thanks for posting video proof of what really happened. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #23
your welcome ..... he has been working nonstop .... Kathy M Jul 2017 #24
Yes he did the complete OPPOSITE of what some in this thread m-lekktor Jul 2017 #18
It's genuinely pathological. n/t QC Jul 2017 #19
It really is. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #20
Cognitive bias. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #22
He did both. bettyellen Jul 2017 #31
That's technically not possible. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #34
I saw a different clip, and yeah he was like if Trump wants to blame me (did that even happen?) then bettyellen Jul 2017 #43
Thank-you BettyEllen. I would like to see that clip. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #45
Link to clip from Melber interview: bettyellen Jul 2017 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #49
That's a still of the same interview where he credits the people. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #50
The operative word would be "all"? Lol. Eom. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #51
I think "hording (sic) the glory, for sure" was the original claim. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #52
I stand by that. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #53
Lol! You do that. I'll stand by the video where he thanked millions of people. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #54
Yes, I think the video confirms exactly what I stated. You disagree. It happens. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #56
It proves the exact opposite. But you can keep claiming otherwise. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #60
Here t is sorry for the delay bettyellen Jul 2017 #58
That's the part where he admits he knew Russia helped his campaign- stunning to see bettyellen Jul 2017 #62
+1. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #63
Oops wrong clip- but they're both pretty interesting! Here's where he takes credit bettyellen Jul 2017 #55
LMAO! He didn't take the credit, he was defending Democrats from Trump's claim. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #59
Democrats were given credit for stopping the bill- and he accepted it on their behalf. Gracious of bettyellen Jul 2017 #64
Yes. Exactly. Eom. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #65
No he didn't, she was talking about Trump's accusations of obstructionism. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #66
You think stopping the healthcare bill was bad? Most voters are happy? Only the GOP think that way! bettyellen Jul 2017 #75
What on earth are you talking about? beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #76
So he wasn't protecting the Dems from anything. Got it. bettyellen Jul 2017 #77
So I never said that, Got it. You're welcome! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #78
Yes, you are right. The claim is still there in #59. R B Garr Jul 2017 #85
Pretty bizarre claim, but it's not about integrity, never was... bettyellen Jul 2017 #88
Thanks again. I had posted on what was initially there, and thought better of it. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #61
This is an abbreviated clip you posted, earlier in the interview Sanders thanked the millions ... cliffside Jul 2017 #84
I get that people think he should have shared credit, but thanks... bettyellen Jul 2017 #87
First, he thanked the millions of people who came out to oppose the bill, that is not reflected ... cliffside Jul 2017 #92
Exactly. Thank you for correcting the record, it's on the video - he shared the credit. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #91
Yes, he FIRST thanked the millions of people who helped defeat the bill! Watching small snippets ... cliffside Jul 2017 #95
It's almost like they don't want people to see that part for some reason... beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #96
Yes and he did so First! Crazy nt cliffside Jul 2017 #98
The embedded video above is not from an interview. lapucelle Jul 2017 #72
Exactly. Thank-you. That is what I felt, that it was a campaign video. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #73
I'm shocked you're shocked Nanjeanne Jul 2017 #104
He is out campaigning, yes. nt pnwmom Jul 2017 #12
for healthcare for all of us , you can at least acknowledge that or maybe Kathy M Jul 2017 #25
+1,000,000 beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #30
You used the word campaigning. I agreed with you. nt pnwmom Jul 2017 #37
What does "Louise" have to do with anything? R B Garr Jul 2017 #38
Good question, R B Garr! pnwmom Jul 2017 #89
Seriously? Not one mention the Democratic Party and their efforts. The people, "we" as in his voice pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #32
Lulz. He LITERALLY thanks the millions of people who contacted their representatives. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #36
Sanders was holding and speaking at anti ACA repeal/replace rallies across America... Trial_By_Fire Jul 2017 #5
Yep, he was out there every day speaking out against the GOP and rallying people. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author George Eliot Jul 2017 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author George Eliot Jul 2017 #40
+1 Kathy M Jul 2017 #14
Plus 1 more George Eliot Jul 2017 #41
+ 100 nt cliffside Jul 2017 #70
ugh Jersey Devil Jul 2017 #8
There where Japanese soldiers in The Philippines mountains until 1974 Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #81
! beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #82
Kudos to Bernie Lotusflower70 Jul 2017 #57
Yes we could, he's never stopped trying. Here's Bernie in 1993 advocating for single payer hc: beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #67
He's been on message his entire life Lordquinton Jul 2017 #69
Looking forward to the day when Dems support a NHC system for all, thx for the clip! nt cliffside Jul 2017 #71
Hopefully it will be part of the next platform since a majority of Democrats support it. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #79
Unfortunately not the Dems in congress who vote on legislation, not many speak of a NHC ... cliffside Jul 2017 #86
The latest Medicare for All bill had 104 sponsors, that's more than half. beam me up scottie Jul 2017 #93
The people are listening, but we need more Dems in Congress on board, no excuses ... cliffside Jul 2017 #97
Yup. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #99
Bernie held rallies all over the country to protect healthcare Fiendish Thingy Jul 2017 #68
Where were the rest of the Dems? Pushing back on TrumpCare in the House and Senate. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #103
This is a Street fight. Not a back room deal fight. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2017 #108
Get yr point. However insinuating Democrats besides Shumer/Bernie are doing nothing isn't correct. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #109
Then he would have won the nomination treestar Jul 2017 #101
Geez! What is the purpose of this thread? SharonClark Jul 2017 #102
Thanks for saying what I was thinking. Curmudgeoness Jul 2017 #110
The success of "messaging" doesn't come from making your supporters happy... brooklynite Jul 2017 #105
Thank you Senator Sanders for helping lead the Resistance. jalan48 Jul 2017 #106
We should have all learned something. MrsCoffee Jul 2017 #107
 

pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
1. Sanders is adept at taking credit for something he has not done.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 08:49 PM
Jul 2017

Personally, I am not an admirer of that trait. Kinda pisses me off.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
42. Yes, that's why I'm glad that Al Gore is back in
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 11:45 PM
Jul 2017

the climate change spotlight. He deserves the rightful credit of championing climate change decades ago. Democrats were on it a long time ago.

 

pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
44. I guess we could say the same with Hillary Clinton and health care.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 11:48 PM
Jul 2017

Our Democratic Leadership have always been the leaders in our progressive causes.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
21. +1, he is the beneficiary of great press coverage.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:23 PM
Jul 2017

No one sidetracked him today with potshot questions.

The other morning on Morning Joe, they tee'd him up nicely for his observations about Democrats and let him speak unchallenged and uninterrupted.

It's very noticeable.

Response to pirateshipdude (Reply #1)

Kathy M

(1,242 posts)
4. Bernie is a great leader .... May not have seen him in the forefront for a reason
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 09:02 PM
Jul 2017

Bernie has been out making a lot of stops al over country campaigning to improve healthcare , Iowa couple days ago , he is also heading to Florida . Here is Iowa link https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/16/bernie-sanders-returns-iowa-slam-disastrous-gop-health-bill/482390001/

Bernie 's response from today 's bill going down

Kathy M

(1,242 posts)
16. you have your opinion , others have theirs ..... No reason for you or others
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:06 PM
Jul 2017

to criticize Bernie ..... does not accomplish anything unless you do not mind being marginalized

 

pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
26. "does not accomplish anything" you have your opinion , others have theirs
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:39 PM
Jul 2017

Marginalized? I am the base. I am hardly marginalized. But hey, good jab?

 

pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
47. That is an interesting site. I bookmarked so I can use in the future, and check out other
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 11:52 PM
Jul 2017

politicians too. Thank-you.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
80. That is a great site! Not a great report card, though.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:43 AM
Jul 2017

The word "fewest" comes up a lot -- not a lot of bills passed. Interesting. He's not asked about his record much, either.

I'm going to look more. You have the most interesting resources, lapucelle.

note-it's a govtrack site

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,315 posts)
83. Yeah, he's only been all around the country holding healthcare rallies.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:49 AM
Jul 2017

It's no twitter selfie but it will have to do.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
9. So Bernie actually credited and thanked the people, he didn't "hoard the glory".
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 09:10 PM
Jul 2017

I'm SHOCKED that people are misrepresenting his response.

Shocked I tell you.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
22. Cognitive bias.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:24 PM
Jul 2017

Every clip I've seen shows Bernie thanking the PEOPLE who stood up to the GOP but they see him "hoarding the glory".



It makes no sense.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
34. That's technically not possible.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:50 PM
Jul 2017

One can't "hoard the glory" for oneself and give credit to others at the same time.

It's one or the other and judging from that clip it's the latter.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
43. I saw a different clip, and yeah he was like if Trump wants to blame me (did that even happen?) then
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 11:45 PM
Jul 2017

I'm happy to take the blame.
Not sure if the other clip is before or after, but yeah he certainly took credit then.

 

pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
45. Thank-you BettyEllen. I would like to see that clip.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 11:50 PM
Jul 2017

If it was the same time, to exclude that really says something. Do you have any idea where the clip is? This one certainly was not the whole of it.

Response to bettyellen (Reply #48)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
50. That's a still of the same interview where he credits the people.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 11:59 PM
Jul 2017

So Bernie didn't take all the credit or "hoard" it for himself like others claimed.

Thanks for proving them wrong.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
52. I think "hording (sic) the glory, for sure" was the original claim.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:03 AM
Jul 2017

And the video clearly proves that's not true.

Thankfully we were able to sea beyond the spin.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
60. It proves the exact opposite. But you can keep claiming otherwise.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:08 AM
Jul 2017

Who should we believe, the claim or the video that proves it's false?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
62. That's the part where he admits he knew Russia helped his campaign- stunning to see
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:09 AM
Jul 2017

After all the hey let's not make a big deal of it shit we've heard lately. So strange .

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
64. Democrats were given credit for stopping the bill- and he accepted it on their behalf. Gracious of
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:13 AM
Jul 2017

him, or hogging the spotlight? At least he said "and others" I guess. Funny he should think anyone's talking about him when they say Dems. But I guess thats just when He feels like crowing.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
66. No he didn't, she was talking about Trump's accusations of obstructionism.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:15 AM
Jul 2017

He laughed and said that they could blame him.

So, nice try but the claim that he "hoarded the glory" for himself is obviously false.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
75. You think stopping the healthcare bill was bad? Most voters are happy? Only the GOP think that way!
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:25 AM
Jul 2017

Why do you accept what Trump says at face value? That's nuts.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
76. What on earth are you talking about?
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:28 AM
Jul 2017

Can you point out the part of my post where I said any of that?

Here's my post again :

"No he didn't, she was talking about Trump's accusations of obstructionism. He laughed and said that they could blame him.

So, nice try but the claim that he "hoarded the glory" for himself is obviously false."

***

I don't see anything about "stopping the healthcare bill was bad? Most voters are happy? Only the GOP think that way!

Why do you accept what Trump says at face value? "


What a strange interpretation of my post, it has nothing at all to do with what I said. So where did you get that from?


R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
85. Yes, you are right. The claim is still there in #59.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:00 AM
Jul 2017

She said he was defending the Dems against Trump's claim. No edit yet...

 

pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
61. Thanks again. I had posted on what was initially there, and thought better of it.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:09 AM
Jul 2017

But couldn't figure out how to get to the clip with that. So, I wasn't just being stupid. I do appreciate you giving me this.

Wow. Again, after listening, always consistent.

OK, out of this thread, but I appreciate the information.

cliffside

(167 posts)
84. This is an abbreviated clip you posted, earlier in the interview Sanders thanked the millions ...
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:51 AM
Jul 2017

of people who stood up and fought to kill the bill. The clip you posted followed that piece, the full interview is below. He was taking credit/blame as one Democrat, and proudly so, if you follow the question and his answer.

http://www.thirteen.org/programs/pbs-newshour/where-bernie-sanders-sees-middle-ground-on-health-care-1500417129/





 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
87. I get that people think he should have shared credit, but thanks...
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:03 AM
Jul 2017

I don't get that somehow he was deflecting blame off Dems and taking it on himself as a selfless act... as claimed here by others. That's pretty weird.

cliffside

(167 posts)
92. First, he thanked the millions of people who came out to oppose the bill, that is not reflected ...
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:24 AM
Jul 2017

in the clip you posted.

People can always see/hear what they want to believe which is why I dislike the short clips corporate media plays and that are posted on social media.

I always prefer to watch the entire interview and then form a conclusion.

Judy Woodruff asked a follow up question of him about Trump blaming Dems for the defeat, he included himself as a Dem and took responsibility/credit in the defeat of this bill. He has worked hard visiting various states over several weekends and has had the same message for decades.

He continues to get the message out that we need a NHC system, not a bad thing IMHO.




beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
91. Exactly. Thank you for correcting the record, it's on the video - he shared the credit.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:18 AM
Jul 2017

It's right there for all of us to see yet they keep saying he didn't for some reason, as if saying it over and over again will magically make it true.

Repeat after me:

Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice!

cliffside

(167 posts)
95. Yes, he FIRST thanked the millions of people who helped defeat the bill! Watching small snippets ...
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:36 AM
Jul 2017

of anyone can lead us to a misguided conclusion.







lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
72. The embedded video above is not from an interview.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:17 AM
Jul 2017

It's a campaign style video. It's not clear who the "we" Sanders refers to actually is, but it's certainly not any of his congressional colleagues.

At about the 3:00 mark, Sanders begins to tell the targeted audience that "[universal coverage through single payer] would be an unprecedented struggle in the modern history of our country" (he's seems to have forgotten about both 1993 and 2008) because "we" will be taking on not only the insurance and drug companies but also "the political establishment". Sanders then cautions his target audience to expect "hostility from the corporate media".

Sanders finishes by saying "I look forward to working with all of you to develop a movement that takes us forward".

I wonder who he's talking to.

 

pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
73. Exactly. Thank-you. That is what I felt, that it was a campaign video.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:21 AM
Jul 2017

This whole thread has been turned upside down trying to figure out what is really up. Thanks for your post.

Kathy M

(1,242 posts)
25. for healthcare for all of us , you can at least acknowledge that or maybe
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:38 PM
Jul 2017

following Louise is more important ........ Healthcare is way more important to many

edit to add ... Bernie is not campaigning for a few years from know ... its to get things started where they should go now

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
30. +1,000,000
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:46 PM
Jul 2017


Thank you, Bernie has been advocating single payer, universal health care for decades. He's not campaigning, he's focusing on rallying opposition to the GOP plan and reminding people the fight isn't over.

If we use that 'logic' then all of our outspoken senators are "campaigning" and not fighting Trump.

Seems like an attempt to dismiss the hard work they're doing.
 

pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
32. Seriously? Not one mention the Democratic Party and their efforts. The people, "we" as in his voice
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:49 PM
Jul 2017

and the people. Are you seriously stating he made this about the people? He made it about him, the we, the people, doing all the work to stop it and then further implements his we (excluding the Democratic Party, conspicuously) to the people and his movement.

Nah, This does not do it for me. Yes, applaud the people. You betcha and all, that includes the Democratic Leadership being forefront. I am not surprised by this speech. A good speech. I agree with him. But vintage Sanders. Not disappointed in my point of view, consistent.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
36. Lulz. He LITERALLY thanks the millions of people who contacted their representatives.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 10:56 PM
Jul 2017

That video proves Bernie didn't take the credit for any of it so the claim that he did and "hoarded the glory" is demonstrably false.

Bernie isn't addressing legislators, he's speaking directly to the public. That's why he thanked the people who rallied and encouraged them to keep fighting.

 

Trial_By_Fire

(624 posts)
5. Sanders was holding and speaking at anti ACA repeal/replace rallies across America...
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 09:02 PM
Jul 2017

Damn him for continually fighting for the people...

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
11. Yep, he was out there every day speaking out against the GOP and rallying people.
Tue Jul 18, 2017, 09:12 PM
Jul 2017

But I guess he's not supposed to talk about the defeat because it upsets some folks.

Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #11)

Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #11)

Lotusflower70

(3,077 posts)
57. Kudos to Bernie
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:06 AM
Jul 2017

He made a difference by helping to get the message out there. He was definitely a factor. With his appearances on tv, in various communities and social media, he engaged a lot of people to continue to fight for healthcare. His voice was very helpful.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
67. Yes we could, he's never stopped trying. Here's Bernie in 1993 advocating for single payer hc:
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:19 AM
Jul 2017


Thank you Bernie, for never giving up on this issue. A majority of Democratic congressmen recently cosponsored the Medicare For All bill, so it's no longer some socialist pipe dream from the fringe left.

That's what progressives do, they keep trying to make progress no matter how much opposition they face.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
69. He's been on message his entire life
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:53 AM
Jul 2017

He never wavers in that, and a part of that is the importance of healthcare. If he takes a victory lap for the republican's plan going down in flames, well good. He deserves it.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
79. Hopefully it will be part of the next platform since a majority of Democrats support it.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:39 AM
Jul 2017

From Pew:

"Among Democrats, 52% now say health insurance should be provided through a single national insurance system run by the government, while fewer (31%) say it should be provided through a mix of private companies and government programs. The share of Democrats supporting a single national program to provide health insurance has increased 9 percentage points since January and 19 points since 2014.

Nearly two-thirds of liberal Democrats (64%) now support a single-payer health insurance system, up 13 percentage points since January. Conservative and moderate Democrats remain about evenly divided: 38% prefer that health insurance continue to be provided by a mix of private insurance companies and government programs, while 42% favor a single-payer approach.

Overall, support for a single-payer health insurance system is much greater among younger adults than older people. Two-thirds of adults younger than 30 (67%) say the government has a responsibility to provide health coverage for all, with 45% saying coverage should be provided through a single national program."

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/23/public-support-for-single-payer-health-coverage-grows-driven-by-democrats/


And you're welcome for the video!

cliffside

(167 posts)
86. Unfortunately not the Dems in congress who vote on legislation, not many speak of a NHC ...
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:03 AM
Jul 2017

ten years ago over 60% of the population in polls were in favor of a national system.

Unless elected officials in our party start Advancing the issue, and people keep pressuring them, it will be a distant dream. All we here are excuses from the Dem leaders

We need to do better, with HC and education if we want to compete in a global society.



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
93. The latest Medicare for All bill had 104 sponsors, that's more than half.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:26 AM
Jul 2017

So we're making progress, it doesn't stand a chance of making it to the Senate but I applaud progressives for trying. And now that the people are on our side we know they're getting the message.

We need to have more town halls, more rallies, more debates, let the people see who's fighting for health care for all. The people are listening.

cliffside

(167 posts)
97. The people are listening, but we need more Dems in Congress on board, no excuses ...
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:55 AM
Jul 2017

no sitting back and blaming the other side and expecting people to vote for one party or another and expecting everyone to fall in line. We got Trump because he falsely promised he was on the people's side.

The Dems totally underestimated the growing necessity to live and thrive in our country, I fear they are still not listening and years later we'll still be debating the same issues as we have been for decades.

It's a big club, and we're not in it ... unless we speak loudly and not acquiesce.





Fiendish Thingy

(15,551 posts)
68. Bernie held rallies all over the country to protect healthcare
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:28 AM
Jul 2017

Including most recently, Iowa.

Schumer was at one rally that I know of- how about the rest of the Dems?

emulatorloo

(44,070 posts)
103. Where were the rest of the Dems? Pushing back on TrumpCare in the House and Senate.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 09:51 AM
Jul 2017

Schumer and Bernie are the public faces of Dems in the Senate. Bernie's in charge of Outreach so of course part of his job is to get out in public. He's very good at that.

However doesn't mean Dems in congress were doing nothing. Anyone paying attention knows they were working their asses off fighting the GOP/Trump agenda.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,315 posts)
108. This is a Street fight. Not a back room deal fight.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:26 PM
Jul 2017

I think Democrats forget that some times.

A lesson we took from Gore/Bush 2000 is the repigs we're fighting a Street fight while we thought the courts would take care of us.

That goes for the Russia scandal too. We should remember that when trump declares it a witch hunt, pardons everybody and the repig majority does nothing. Then the media will say, oh what are you going to do, one side says one thing and the other side says something else. Ho hum.

emulatorloo

(44,070 posts)
109. Get yr point. However insinuating Democrats besides Shumer/Bernie are doing nothing isn't correct.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:37 PM
Jul 2017

Am referring to statement of poster above, not you of course.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
102. Geez! What is the purpose of this thread?
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 09:40 AM
Jul 2017

It's as bad as the threads from Bernie worshippers. I suggest both 'sides' move past this nonsense and go after the real enemy - Trump and the repugs.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
110. Thanks for saying what I was thinking.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 07:13 PM
Jul 2017

I used to be here daily, and hardly ever come to DU anymore for that reason. The purpose of this thread, just like most threads, is to refight the primaries...or at least to bash Bernie. I only come here occasionally to see if they are done with the bashing and are mobilizing against Trump and company. I remember how important this site was during the Baby Bush years at keeping me sane. So far, not helping my sanity at this important time. I never thought that I would say we have someone even worse than Shrub, but we do...and no place to vent and organize the fight. Hell's bells!

brooklynite

(94,359 posts)
105. The success of "messaging" doesn't come from making your supporters happy...
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:14 AM
Jul 2017

...it comes from convincing people who disagree with you to change their minds, or convincing people who do agree with you do do something about it.

Which has Sanders done?

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
107. We should have all learned something.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:19 AM
Jul 2017

Constructive criticism is useful, but divisive rhetoric loses elections.

Time to join the party and come together. Let's start that Unity Tour we've heard so much about!

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