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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsi guess we could learn from bernie on messaging..
So, guess who is on all in with ari melber taking a victory lap about the health care bill demise, yeap Bernie. He is much better at hammering a message than our democratic leaders. As far as I could see, the gop efforts were largely twarthed by the grass root organizations who mobilized heavily. I did not see Bernie there at the forefront any more than schumer or others.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)Personally, I am not an admirer of that trait. Kinda pisses me off.
drray23
(7,616 posts)but yeah i did notice this happening before.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)Don't you think? A given.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)the climate change spotlight. He deserves the rightful credit of championing climate change decades ago. Democrats were on it a long time ago.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)Our Democratic Leadership have always been the leaders in our progressive causes.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)No one sidetracked him today with potshot questions.
The other morning on Morning Joe, they tee'd him up nicely for his observations about Democrats and let him speak unchallenged and uninterrupted.
It's very noticeable.
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Kathy M
(1,242 posts)Bernie has been out making a lot of stops al over country campaigning to improve healthcare , Iowa couple days ago , he is also heading to Florida . Here is Iowa link https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/16/bernie-sanders-returns-iowa-slam-disastrous-gop-health-bill/482390001/
Bernie 's response from today 's bill going down
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)He leaves that to the Democrats.
Me.
(35,454 posts)And a lot of his messaging is not Dem Friendly
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)Kathy M
(1,242 posts)to criticize Bernie ..... does not accomplish anything unless you do not mind being marginalized
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)Marginalized? I am the base. I am hardly marginalized. But hey, good jab?
Kathy M
(1,242 posts)pirateshipdude
(967 posts)lapucelle
(18,187 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Nothing good has come from it.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)pirateshipdude
(967 posts)politicians too. Thank-you.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)The word "fewest" comes up a lot -- not a lot of bills passed. Interesting. He's not asked about his record much, either.
I'm going to look more. You have the most interesting resources, lapucelle.
note-it's a govtrack site
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)unFUCKINGbelievable.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The video proves that's not the case at all.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,315 posts)It's no twitter selfie but it will have to do.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'm SHOCKED that people are misrepresenting his response.
Shocked I tell you.
Kathy M
(1,242 posts)I am SHOCKED also ..............
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Kathy M
(1,242 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)are accusing him of.
This place.....smh
QC
(26,371 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Things that make you go
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Every clip I've seen shows Bernie thanking the PEOPLE who stood up to the GOP but they see him "hoarding the glory".
It makes no sense.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)One can't "hoard the glory" for oneself and give credit to others at the same time.
It's one or the other and judging from that clip it's the latter.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I'm happy to take the blame.
Not sure if the other clip is before or after, but yeah he certainly took credit then.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)If it was the same time, to exclude that really says something. Do you have any idea where the clip is? This one certainly was not the whole of it.
bettyellen
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beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)So Bernie didn't take all the credit or "hoard" it for himself like others claimed.
Thanks for proving them wrong.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And the video clearly proves that's not true.
Thankfully we were able to sea beyond the spin.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)pirateshipdude
(967 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Who should we believe, the claim or the video that proves it's false?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)After all the hey let's not make a big deal of it shit we've heard lately. So strange .
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)him, or hogging the spotlight? At least he said "and others" I guess. Funny he should think anyone's talking about him when they say Dems. But I guess thats just when He feels like crowing.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)He laughed and said that they could blame him.
So, nice try but the claim that he "hoarded the glory" for himself is obviously false.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Why do you accept what Trump says at face value? That's nuts.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Can you point out the part of my post where I said any of that?
Here's my post again :
"No he didn't, she was talking about Trump's accusations of obstructionism. He laughed and said that they could blame him.
So, nice try but the claim that he "hoarded the glory" for himself is obviously false."
***
I don't see anything about "stopping the healthcare bill was bad? Most voters are happy? Only the GOP think that way!
Why do you accept what Trump says at face value? "
What a strange interpretation of my post, it has nothing at all to do with what I said. So where did you get that from?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)She said he was defending the Dems against Trump's claim. No edit yet...
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)pirateshipdude
(967 posts)But couldn't figure out how to get to the clip with that. So, I wasn't just being stupid. I do appreciate you giving me this.
Wow. Again, after listening, always consistent.
OK, out of this thread, but I appreciate the information.
cliffside
(167 posts)of people who stood up and fought to kill the bill. The clip you posted followed that piece, the full interview is below. He was taking credit/blame as one Democrat, and proudly so, if you follow the question and his answer.
http://www.thirteen.org/programs/pbs-newshour/where-bernie-sanders-sees-middle-ground-on-health-care-1500417129/
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I don't get that somehow he was deflecting blame off Dems and taking it on himself as a selfless act... as claimed here by others. That's pretty weird.
cliffside
(167 posts)in the clip you posted.
People can always see/hear what they want to believe which is why I dislike the short clips corporate media plays and that are posted on social media.
I always prefer to watch the entire interview and then form a conclusion.
Judy Woodruff asked a follow up question of him about Trump blaming Dems for the defeat, he included himself as a Dem and took responsibility/credit in the defeat of this bill. He has worked hard visiting various states over several weekends and has had the same message for decades.
He continues to get the message out that we need a NHC system, not a bad thing IMHO.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It's right there for all of us to see yet they keep saying he didn't for some reason, as if saying it over and over again will magically make it true.
Repeat after me:
Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice!
cliffside
(167 posts)of anyone can lead us to a misguided conclusion.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)cliffside
(167 posts)lapucelle
(18,187 posts)It's a campaign style video. It's not clear who the "we" Sanders refers to actually is, but it's certainly not any of his congressional colleagues.
At about the 3:00 mark, Sanders begins to tell the targeted audience that "[universal coverage through single payer] would be an unprecedented struggle in the modern history of our country" (he's seems to have forgotten about both 1993 and 2008) because "we" will be taking on not only the insurance and drug companies but also "the political establishment". Sanders then cautions his target audience to expect "hostility from the corporate media".
Sanders finishes by saying "I look forward to working with all of you to develop a movement that takes us forward".
I wonder who he's talking to.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)This whole thread has been turned upside down trying to figure out what is really up. Thanks for your post.
Nanjeanne
(4,915 posts)pnwmom
(108,957 posts)Kathy M
(1,242 posts)following Louise is more important ........ Healthcare is way more important to many
edit to add ... Bernie is not campaigning for a few years from know ... its to get things started where they should go now
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Thank you, Bernie has been advocating single payer, universal health care for decades. He's not campaigning, he's focusing on rallying opposition to the GOP plan and reminding people the fight isn't over.
If we use that 'logic' then all of our outspoken senators are "campaigning" and not fighting Trump.
Seems like an attempt to dismiss the hard work they're doing.
pnwmom
(108,957 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Sounds personal.
pnwmom
(108,957 posts)pirateshipdude
(967 posts)and the people. Are you seriously stating he made this about the people? He made it about him, the we, the people, doing all the work to stop it and then further implements his we (excluding the Democratic Party, conspicuously) to the people and his movement.
Nah, This does not do it for me. Yes, applaud the people. You betcha and all, that includes the Democratic Leadership being forefront. I am not surprised by this speech. A good speech. I agree with him. But vintage Sanders. Not disappointed in my point of view, consistent.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That video proves Bernie didn't take the credit for any of it so the claim that he did and "hoarded the glory" is demonstrably false.
Bernie isn't addressing legislators, he's speaking directly to the public. That's why he thanked the people who rallied and encouraged them to keep fighting.
Trial_By_Fire
(624 posts)Damn him for continually fighting for the people...
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But I guess he's not supposed to talk about the defeat because it upsets some folks.
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George Eliot
(701 posts)cliffside
(167 posts)Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)Is this crap going to go on forever?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,315 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)He made a difference by helping to get the message out there. He was definitely a factor. With his appearances on tv, in various communities and social media, he engaged a lot of people to continue to fight for healthcare. His voice was very helpful.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Thank you Bernie, for never giving up on this issue. A majority of Democratic congressmen recently cosponsored the Medicare For All bill, so it's no longer some socialist pipe dream from the fringe left.
That's what progressives do, they keep trying to make progress no matter how much opposition they face.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)He never wavers in that, and a part of that is the importance of healthcare. If he takes a victory lap for the republican's plan going down in flames, well good. He deserves it.
cliffside
(167 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)From Pew:
"Among Democrats, 52% now say health insurance should be provided through a single national insurance system run by the government, while fewer (31%) say it should be provided through a mix of private companies and government programs. The share of Democrats supporting a single national program to provide health insurance has increased 9 percentage points since January and 19 points since 2014.
Nearly two-thirds of liberal Democrats (64%) now support a single-payer health insurance system, up 13 percentage points since January. Conservative and moderate Democrats remain about evenly divided: 38% prefer that health insurance continue to be provided by a mix of private insurance companies and government programs, while 42% favor a single-payer approach.
Overall, support for a single-payer health insurance system is much greater among younger adults than older people. Two-thirds of adults younger than 30 (67%) say the government has a responsibility to provide health coverage for all, with 45% saying coverage should be provided through a single national program."
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/23/public-support-for-single-payer-health-coverage-grows-driven-by-democrats/
And you're welcome for the video!
cliffside
(167 posts)ten years ago over 60% of the population in polls were in favor of a national system.
Unless elected officials in our party start Advancing the issue, and people keep pressuring them, it will be a distant dream. All we here are excuses from the Dem leaders
We need to do better, with HC and education if we want to compete in a global society.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)So we're making progress, it doesn't stand a chance of making it to the Senate but I applaud progressives for trying. And now that the people are on our side we know they're getting the message.
We need to have more town halls, more rallies, more debates, let the people see who's fighting for health care for all. The people are listening.
cliffside
(167 posts)no sitting back and blaming the other side and expecting people to vote for one party or another and expecting everyone to fall in line. We got Trump because he falsely promised he was on the people's side.
The Dems totally underestimated the growing necessity to live and thrive in our country, I fear they are still not listening and years later we'll still be debating the same issues as we have been for decades.
It's a big club, and we're not in it ... unless we speak loudly and not acquiesce.
Voltaire2
(12,963 posts)The guy is amazing. He is fighting the good fight and never gives up.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,551 posts)Including most recently, Iowa.
Schumer was at one rally that I know of- how about the rest of the Dems?
emulatorloo
(44,070 posts)Schumer and Bernie are the public faces of Dems in the Senate. Bernie's in charge of Outreach so of course part of his job is to get out in public. He's very good at that.
However doesn't mean Dems in congress were doing nothing. Anyone paying attention knows they were working their asses off fighting the GOP/Trump agenda.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,315 posts)I think Democrats forget that some times.
A lesson we took from Gore/Bush 2000 is the repigs we're fighting a Street fight while we thought the courts would take care of us.
That goes for the Russia scandal too. We should remember that when trump declares it a witch hunt, pardons everybody and the repig majority does nothing. Then the media will say, oh what are you going to do, one side says one thing and the other side says something else. Ho hum.
emulatorloo
(44,070 posts)Am referring to statement of poster above, not you of course.
treestar
(82,383 posts)SharonClark
(10,014 posts)It's as bad as the threads from Bernie worshippers. I suggest both 'sides' move past this nonsense and go after the real enemy - Trump and the repugs.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I used to be here daily, and hardly ever come to DU anymore for that reason. The purpose of this thread, just like most threads, is to refight the primaries...or at least to bash Bernie. I only come here occasionally to see if they are done with the bashing and are mobilizing against Trump and company. I remember how important this site was during the Baby Bush years at keeping me sane. So far, not helping my sanity at this important time. I never thought that I would say we have someone even worse than Shrub, but we do...and no place to vent and organize the fight. Hell's bells!
brooklynite
(94,359 posts)...it comes from convincing people who disagree with you to change their minds, or convincing people who do agree with you do do something about it.
Which has Sanders done?
jalan48
(13,842 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Constructive criticism is useful, but divisive rhetoric loses elections.
Time to join the party and come together. Let's start that Unity Tour we've heard so much about!