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Archae

(46,325 posts)
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 09:46 AM Jul 2017

I knew it, the Minnesota cop who shot a white woman is black AND named Mohammed...

So that makes him automatically EEEEE-VIL and a "heathen" to the right-wing.

WND Rushes to Blame 'Cop Named Mohamed' In Police Shooting Because Of His Name

Topic: WorldNetDaily

WorldNetDaily normally supports the police against allegations of excessive violence, especially when the victims are black and the critics are similarly so. But as we've seen with vaccines, WND will happily flip-flop on long-held views in order to adapt to a new designated enemy -- namely, Muslims.

So, when Justine Damond was shot and killed by a Minneapolis police officer on July 16, WND didn't do rush to the defense of the police, as it ususally did in such situations.Why? The victim was white, and the officer had a Muslim-sounding name.
Thus, resident WND Muslim-hater gets the assignment for this story -- and he delivers, under the headline "Cop named Mohamed shoots, kills unarmed woman who called 9-1-1":

The Minneapolis cop who shot and killed a 40-year-old woman after she called 9-1-1 to report a possible crime near her home was identified Monday as the precinct’s first Somali-American officer — Mohamed Noor.

Noor has only been a police officer for two years and has already been sued for alleged unprofessional behavior. The May 2017 lawsuit also involved a female and accusations of brutality.

The shooting late Saturday night happened at the end of an alley in the city’s Fulton neighborhood.
Justine Ruszczyk Damond, a native of Sydney, Australia, was a veterinarian and a yoga instructor who recently got engaged to longtime boyfriend Don Damond. She and her fiancé lived in the 5000 block of Washburn.

[...]

Noor, 31, was born in Somalia.

[...]
Noor joined the department in March 2015 and is assigned to the 5th Precinct in southwest Minneapolis. Before that, he worked in
property management.

The Minneapolis Office of Police Conduct Review contains records that show Noor has had three complaints filed against him, two of which remain open, the Star-Tribune reports. Another was closed without discipline.

Minneapolis has the nation’s largest concentration of Somali refugees, with the community estimated at approximately 50,000 strong in the city. The city’s Democrat mayor and council have made every effort to hire Somalis as part of the city’s diversity program.

We're pretty sure WND never published an article with the headline "Cop named Bob shoots, kills unarmed black teenager."

Hohmann followed up the next day by once again putting Noor's name in the headline -- "Killer cop Mohamed Noor was 'diversity' hire" -- something we're also pretty sure WND never did in any of its stories about black teens being shot by white cops. It's another anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant tirade, whining that Minneapolis "makes a special effort to recruit Somalis as part of its affirmative-action plan" and attacked Noor for having "entered the country as a refugee." Hohmann sneered: "Noor, who entered the U.S. as a child from war-torn Somalia, joined four other Somali-Americans on the Minneapolis Police Department. Given that he was not only black but a Muslim refugee, he instantly gave credibility to the mayor’s promises of a more diverse police force."

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/blog/index.blog?entry_id=2364627

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I knew it, the Minnesota cop who shot a white woman is black AND named Mohammed... (Original Post) Archae Jul 2017 OP
I don't care what spin is attempted; this man shot and killed a WOMAN IN HER PAJAMAS. If there WinkyDink Jul 2017 #1
Yeah, he sounds like a misogynistic bastard. appal_jack Jul 2017 #16
And you seem to be defending this killer simply because of his name and race. cwydro Jul 2017 #2
No, I'm pointing out how WND is BLAMING his religion and race. Archae Jul 2017 #3
I've never even heard of World Net Daily. cwydro Jul 2017 #4
I think you should read up on WND some. Archae Jul 2017 #11
I don't care for right-wing publications. cwydro Jul 2017 #18
No kidding, that's what the RW does.. whathehell Jul 2017 #12
So pointing out American hypocrisy is off putting Proud liberal 80 Jul 2017 #15
Um, maybe you haven't been here very long. cwydro Jul 2017 #19
I am not saying that there isn't outrage on DU Proud liberal 80 Jul 2017 #21
You must not watch a lot of news. cwydro Jul 2017 #23
Each with an equal number of responses minimizing, trivializing or rationalizing the death LanternWaste Jul 2017 #30
I'll agree with you on that one. cwydro Jul 2017 #32
Thank you. whathehell Jul 2017 #61
Are you kidding? whathehell Jul 2017 #26
As are the overwhelming justifications given in reponse to rationalize those shootings... LanternWaste Jul 2017 #31
Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #33
What in the hell are you talking about. Proud liberal 80 Jul 2017 #37
Aww. Don't go away mad. cwydro Jul 2017 #41
When did I say that it wasn't pointed out here on DU Proud liberal 80 Jul 2017 #36
So maybe you should preach it to them whathehell Jul 2017 #40
Thank you. nt cwydro Jul 2017 #42
You're welcome. whathehell Jul 2017 #47
If it was a white cop and black victim they'd all be on the side of the cop brush Jul 2017 #52
I think a large part of it is that the police infrastructure focuses so much on how cops are in mythology Jul 2017 #57
Who is "they"? whathehell Jul 2017 #60
Didn't you read the OP? WND of course. brush Jul 2017 #64
Lol.. whathehell Jul 2017 #69
With questions like yours, damn right. brush Jul 2017 #71
I'm sorry, but I just don't get why asking you who you are whathehell Jul 2017 #72
The "they" you "innocently?" asked about is mentioned in the second and third line of the OP brush Jul 2017 #73
Some of us don't scrupulously scour every word in a post.. whathehell Jul 2017 #76
Ahhh...ok, but how do you miss the second and third lines of an OP? brush Jul 2017 #77
One probably should.. whathehell Jul 2017 #78
Exactly. not so much here but in comments elsewhere on the internet it's like some are rooting for m-lekktor Jul 2017 #25
God, that's ugly.. whathehell Jul 2017 #27
The OP isn't defending this guy Proud liberal 80 Jul 2017 #7
The hypocrisy on the Right is pointed out ENDLESSLY here.. whathehell Jul 2017 #34
I don't need to get familiar with this site and don't know Proud liberal 80 Jul 2017 #35
You don't "need to get familiar with this site"? cwydro Jul 2017 #44
Sorry, I don''t agree and judging by the number of negative posts you've whathehell Jul 2017 #46
Today's news says the cop is refusing to give a statement n/t left-of-center2012 Jul 2017 #5
It really doesn't matter what his name is, MineralMan Jul 2017 #6
Exactly. cwydro Jul 2017 #8
Yep. greytdemocrat Jul 2017 #13
+1 workinclasszero Jul 2017 #39
I know why she was shot Egnever Jul 2017 #43
Eleven times? whathehell Jul 2017 #62
She was shot 11 times? Egnever Jul 2017 #66
Yes that's what I heard on the news.. whathehell Jul 2017 #68
" has already been sued for alleged unprofessional behavior...suit involved brutality" WTF ?!!?! uponit7771 Jul 2017 #9
As far as I know, nothing has happened to that cop. MoonRiver Jul 2017 #10
Iin some places that might make him OFF limits to criticism. whathehell Jul 2017 #14
I'm sorry, but this cop, like all the other cops who have gotten all hopped up on adrenalin and PatrickforO Jul 2017 #17
yes. mercuryblues Jul 2017 #20
And that defense would work Proud liberal 80 Jul 2017 #24
Probably for the same reason B2G Jul 2017 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author MichMary Jul 2017 #28
I think shooting an unarmed civilian in her pajamas through the window of his cop car jmg257 Jul 2017 #29
Well there are lots black people, lots of white people, "Muhammed" is the MOST common name JoeStuckInOH Jul 2017 #38
No, they can't rule out anything just yet whathehell Jul 2017 #48
"....and America probably has the most shootings in the world." EX500rider Jul 2017 #51
I'm aware of your homicide RATES charts. That's per capita but I said "most shootings." JoeStuckInOH Jul 2017 #56
Even stacked just by numbers the US doesn't even make the top 5. EX500rider Jul 2017 #59
And in the end, it comes down more to police department culture Bettie Jul 2017 #45
Actually, this is just the beginning, and you don't know that yet.. whathehell Jul 2017 #49
It is too early to draw conclusions about this guy Bettie Jul 2017 #50
He fucked up, but not because of his religion, race or national origin. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #53
In my own MFM008 Jul 2017 #54
This incident is certainly making the people who judge based on race or occupation before facts Lee-Lee Jul 2017 #55
This is a stupid thread. AngryAmish Jul 2017 #58
Disagree--this thread is so woke. Dr. Strange Jul 2017 #63
He might have done damage to his ears. AngryAmish Jul 2017 #65
Uh, No. wellst0nev0ter Jul 2017 #74
Not for those interested in the hypocrisy in play CakeGrrl Jul 2017 #70
Also Calling Bullshit on the "No Rally For Justine Damon" Lie wellst0nev0ter Jul 2017 #75
And I remain consistent RhodeIslandOne Jul 2017 #67
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
1. I don't care what spin is attempted; this man shot and killed a WOMAN IN HER PAJAMAS. If there
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 09:50 AM
Jul 2017

was a racial and/or cultural element, it was on him, not the victim and not any commentators.

If race can be spoken of when a White cop kills a Black citizen,.....

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
16. Yeah, he sounds like a misogynistic bastard.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:28 AM
Jul 2017

Being a Somali refugee excuses nothing. If he's a power-hungry and violent misogynist, he has no business being a cop.

-app

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
2. And you seem to be defending this killer simply because of his name and race.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 09:53 AM
Jul 2017

Funny how that works.

This moron shot an unarmed citizen by firing his weapon so that the bullet passed literally in front of his partner's face.

Seriously? You're defending this asshole who is even now refusing to answer questions from investigators?

Archae

(46,325 posts)
3. No, I'm pointing out how WND is BLAMING his religion and race.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 09:58 AM
Jul 2017

Something WND does quite often.

Let's find out exactly why Noor shot the woman, not pound our heads jumping to conclusions like WND is doing, right away, "He's a heathen, so he's a terra-ist!"

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
4. I've never even heard of World Net Daily.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:00 AM
Jul 2017

Nor do I care what they have to say.

That's not the issue in this case. Why this moron murdered this woman is the issue.

Archae

(46,325 posts)
11. I think you should read up on WND some.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:10 AM
Jul 2017

Since they are major league supporters of right-wingers, particularly Trump, and to date are STILL pushing anti-Obama smears like Birtherism.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
18. I don't care for right-wing publications.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:34 AM
Jul 2017

I did google it, and you're right, utter right wing garbage.

There was even an article on aliens. Who cares what morons like that think or say?

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
12. No kidding, that's what the RW does..
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:19 AM
Jul 2017

but in the context of the LACK of sympathy being shown here for the maybe too "privileged" dead white woman, it seems just a tad
off-putting.

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
15. So pointing out American hypocrisy is off putting
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:28 AM
Jul 2017

I feel bad for the lady, and the cop should definitely be punished. But I would also like it if the same sympathy and outrage would be shown if the victim was black.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
19. Um, maybe you haven't been here very long.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:36 AM
Jul 2017

Believe me there is LOTS of outrage here when the victim is black.

There would normally be at least 15 threads of outrage.

The lack of them is striking in this case.

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
21. I am not saying that there isn't outrage on DU
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:48 AM
Jul 2017

Or calling DU folks hypocrites. I am calling out America as a whole.

And I have been viewing DU for over a decade now. Maybe not posting as much.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
23. You must not watch a lot of news.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:52 AM
Jul 2017

In recent police shootings, there have been riots, endless news stories, interviews with friends and family.

There was a police shooting in my city not too long ago. The cop was black, as was the victim. This story is STILL in the news locally.

The Castile shooting got enormous coverage, not to mention Ferguson and all the others (too many sadly).

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
30. Each with an equal number of responses minimizing, trivializing or rationalizing the death
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 11:53 AM
Jul 2017

"There would normally be at least 15 threads of outrage..."

Each with an equal number of responses minimizing, trivializing or rationalizing the death of African Americans by law enforcement.

An inability to recognize that relevance is also striking.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
32. I'll agree with you on that one.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:01 PM
Jul 2017

Despite how much you annoy me lol.

However, NO Americans of any race should be considered fair game for our police forces.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
26. Are you kidding?
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:59 AM
Jul 2017

The sympathy for Black victims of cop shootings is OVERWHELMING on DU...Where have you been?

I see you've been a member since 2012, but still have less than a thousand posts -- Maybe you should drop in more. Just sayin'.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
31. As are the overwhelming justifications given in reponse to rationalize those shootings...
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 11:57 AM
Jul 2017

"he sympathy for Black victims of cop shootings is OVERWHELMING on DU..."

As are the overwhelming justifications given in reponse to rationalize those shootings... regardless of the irrelevance of where you have been.





Gotta love Urban Dictionary...
Just sayin': The punctuation people put at the end of an unsolicited, factless assertion to indicate self satisfaction at having stated something they erroneously believe to be clever, biting, and insightful.

Just sayin', part II

Response to whathehell (Reply #26)

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
37. What in the hell are you talking about.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:52 PM
Jul 2017

And this is the problem with a lot of you posters on here. Always putting people down.

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
36. When did I say that it wasn't pointed out here on DU
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:50 PM
Jul 2017

I visit many websites other than ones with a liberal bend e.g. CNN, Washington post, NYT, yahoo, etc. And the comments sections are mostly filled with sympathy for the cops while few for the victims. It is like a cesspool which I would expect from FoxNews or Briebert.

Of course the ones like DU, HuffPost, ThinkProgres, are going to be filled with sympathy. Just like the ones on Foxnation, Breibert, etc... are going to sympathize with the cops. But visiting regular websites and seeing the mostly overwhelming support for cops tells me it is an " America" problem.

I do drop in a lot and lurk. Several times a day for a decade. I don't feel the need to reply and respond to every thread.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
40. So maybe you should preach it to them
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:59 PM
Jul 2017

instead of the choir, and another thing you seem to
miss entirely is the issue of context and timing. In light of the many non-receptive responses you've gotten on the post, you might want to think more about those.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
47. You're welcome.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:30 PM
Jul 2017

I know we've disagreed at times, so I'm particularly glad we're on the same page here..

brush

(53,771 posts)
52. If it was a white cop and black victim they'd all be on the side of the cop
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:59 PM
Jul 2017

Sorry the lady encountered scared, trigger-happy cops.

Better training and better hires needed. There must be some way to weed out cowards.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
57. I think a large part of it is that the police infrastructure focuses so much on how cops are in
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 04:25 PM
Jul 2017

constant danger. Never mind that objectively speaking there are both fewer cops being killed than in the past and that there are a number of other job categories that have a higher death rate. I think the constant claims that cops are at this incredibly high risk and that every non-cop is a potential threat helps create a sense among street cops that they are better off shooting first and asking questions later.

brush

(53,771 posts)
73. The "they" you "innocently?" asked about is mentioned in the second and third line of the OP
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 09:33 PM
Jul 2017

Last edited Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:16 PM - Edit history (2)

See below:

WND Rushes to Blame 'Cop Named Mohamed' In Police Shooting Because Of His Name

Topic: WorldNetDaily



whathehell

(29,067 posts)
76. Some of us don't scrupulously scour every word in a post..
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 11:10 AM
Jul 2017

Had I known that failing to do so would result in questions about my "innocence", I surely would have.

brush

(53,771 posts)
77. Ahhh...ok, but how do you miss the second and third lines of an OP?
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 11:20 AM
Jul 2017

I mean to comment on someone else's post should you read the OP?

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
78. One probably should..
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 02:38 PM
Jul 2017

but all in all, I don't think we're in serious disagreement here. We can probably just move on.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
25. Exactly. not so much here but in comments elsewhere on the internet it's like some are rooting for
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:57 AM
Jul 2017

the cop because of past injustices, to hell with this white victim. I am serious.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
27. God, that's ugly..
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 11:04 AM
Jul 2017

and NOT a great harbinger for racial reconciliation in anything like the near future.

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
7. The OP isn't defending this guy
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:01 AM
Jul 2017

He is just pointing out the hypocrisy of the right and these so called "blue lives matter" people and a lot of Americans. And I guarantee if this same scenario involved a white cop and a black person these folks would be defending that cop. The cop would be getting all types of benefit of the doubt. The character of the victim would be examined. And the cop would get off by a jury.

But that is America for you. Something happens to a white lady then everyone is shocked, mad, and upset (and justifiably so). But let something happen to a black person then no one gives a fuck. Which is the whole point of Black Lives Matter.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
34. The hypocrisy on the Right is pointed out ENDLESSLY here..
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:15 PM
Jul 2017

and please STOP conflating the Right Wing with "America" as a whole...That is only ONE side of the political spectrum and we at DU are not on it.
Like I said, you might want to get more familiar with this place.

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
35. I don't need to get familiar with this site and don't know
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:27 PM
Jul 2017

Why you are so against the OP showing another example of right wing hypocrisy. There is nothing wrong with endlessly pointing out hypocrisy. I tell you, sometimes I cannot believe I have the same liberal views as a lot of you in this site. Your attitudes and the sarcastic ways you put down people on your posts make me sick. And to be truthful, it's isn't just the right wing. "America" as a whole is fucked up when it comes to race

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
44. You don't "need to get familiar with this site"?
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:04 PM
Jul 2017

Really?

We may fuss and fight here, but this site is a community.

If you're not interested in knowing who we all are, then perhaps this isn't the place for you.

I've seen at least two insults from you in this thread about DU. That seems counter-productive to me.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
46. Sorry, I don''t agree and judging by the number of negative posts you've
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:25 PM
Jul 2017

received on the matter, it seems a number of others don't either.

Again, sorry, but there IS something wrong with endless repetition:

One, it's boring and two it ignores priorities: You're using time

to say things that HAVE been said and not on things that haven't

and and need to be.

If my comments make you "sick", please remember that Ignore is your friend.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
6. It really doesn't matter what his name is,
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:01 AM
Jul 2017

nor does his race, religion, or origin matter. The issue is why he shot a woman who had done nothing but report a suspected crime. A woman is dead due to being shot by a police officer sitting in a police car.

Nothing else matters. We need to find out why she was shot and what will be done about that.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
43. I know why she was shot
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:04 PM
Jul 2017

She leaned in the window with her cell phone in her hand and this tool thought it was a weapon.

I would bet money that is what happened.

Hopefully this poor woman's death will prompt some real reform but I am not holding my breath.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
62. Eleven times?
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 06:05 PM
Jul 2017

Eleven times for one mistaken cell phone?....Something is very wrong there, and yes, I know that "over-kill" (Laquan McDonald, 16 shots) has played out more than once with cops and black victims and yes I DO and HAVE been feeling outrage about ALL the innocent victims...I didn't know her, but I sent flowers to Sandra Blake's funeral along with a condolence card to her family.

This is all Terrible...What is WRONG with these cops? I get the feeling that, even though they're armed to the teeth, it seems, they're terrified.

If someone is THAT scared, he or she should admit it to themselves, and do something else for a living.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
10. As far as I know, nothing has happened to that cop.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:05 AM
Jul 2017

WND is irrelevant. Cold blooded killing of an innocent victim, who simply had the misfortune to call the police for help, is NOT.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
17. I'm sorry, but this cop, like all the other cops who have gotten all hopped up on adrenalin and
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:32 AM
Jul 2017

killed unarmed people, killed an unarmed person, in her pajamas, who was trying to be a good citizen and do the right thing by calling in a crime that was happening.

Like all the other cops who shot unarmed people, this guy showed a serious lack of judgement, and erodes my trust in the institution of law enforcement.

CNN ran a story today titled, "There's a predictable pattern to a fatal police shooting. But not in the case of Justine Ruszczyk."

Here's the lead paragraph: &quot CNN)There's a predictable pattern to the aftermath of too many deadly police shootings: Neighbors and anti-police brutality groups take to the streets. Groups supporting the officers stand up for them. Social media lights up over whether the victim "did something" to provoke the officer.

But none of that holds true in the case of Justine Ruszczyk, a white Australian bride-to-be who was killed by Mohamed Noor, a Somali-American black police officer in Minneapolis.

And that, say experts, speaks volumes about the state of America today."

As one Aussie commenting on this shit-show said, "America sucks."

And in its hangups with race, it does suck. If we can't make justice be blind to skin color then we will continue to suck, people of color will continue to get shot for no reason with the police perps having no accountability, and white people like me will hesitate before calling the police because hey, I don't want some rookie cop blowing me away for no reason just cause he's pumped on adrenalin. Sorry.

And, you know, maybe that's the kind of America the Koch brothers and the other freakish capitalists want. One where we all hate and mistrust each other, don't feel empowered to do shit, and waste our lives as wage slaves when the old, wrinkled, white guys with liver spotted hands are picking every last dollar out of our pockets. And laughing.

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
20. yes.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:42 AM
Jul 2017

My first thought was the cops finally fucked up and killed the perfect victim. White female, blonde hair, no criminal history and affluent. IOW they can't blame the victim.

The cynic in me expects this will have the same end result. I am already hearing comments about how you should never approach a police car. My bet is the cop will say he mistook her cell phone for a gun.

http://www.vocativ.com/usa/guns/st-louis-shooting/

A sandwich
bible
cellphone
wallet
umbrella
Wii controller
apron
pizza
hairbrush
Ipod
wrench
fire department badge
keys

Proud liberal 80

(4,167 posts)
24. And that defense would work
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:53 AM
Jul 2017

For a "jury of our peers" if the victim were black. Don't see it working in this case.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
22. Probably for the same reason
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:51 AM
Jul 2017

many here only get all worked up when a white cop shoots a black person. Outrage for white victims? Not so much.

Opposite ends of the same spectrum.

Response to Archae (Original post)

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
29. I think shooting an unarmed civilian in her pajamas through the window of his cop car
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 11:52 AM
Jul 2017

Last edited Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:01 PM - Edit history (1)

would make him EEEEE-VIL to just about anyone.

He's a dick who severely fucked up and murdered this poor woman for NO justifiable reason.

 

JoeStuckInOH

(544 posts)
38. Well there are lots black people, lots of white people, "Muhammed" is the MOST common name
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:56 PM
Jul 2017

in the world, and America probably has the most shootings in the world.

While tragic as this event might be, that this event happened in America is not terribly surprising. I think the media can spare the hate-crime-religious-war angle this time.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
48. No, they can't rule out anything just yet
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:37 PM
Jul 2017

It's too early to tell at this point, especially with the shooter not talking.

EX500rider

(10,842 posts)
51. "....and America probably has the most shootings in the world."
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:51 PM
Jul 2017

Why would you think that, it's not even close, the US is below both the median and avg for homicides by countries worldwide.


 

JoeStuckInOH

(544 posts)
56. I'm aware of your homicide RATES charts. That's per capita but I said "most shootings."
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 04:06 PM
Jul 2017

sure there are third world shitholes out there with terrible "murder rates"...

But the US is #3 in population and there's probably more guns than people in America (literally). While the Honduran murder rate is the worst on that chart at about 8-9 times that of the US, the US has 320+ million people and Honduras only has like 8+ million people. So there are WAY more shootings in the US than Honduras on a numerical basis alone.

I'd guess there are about 4X as many shooting victims in America than Hondurus despite our per capita rate being low.

EX500rider

(10,842 posts)
59. Even stacked just by numbers the US doesn't even make the top 5.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 05:10 PM
Jul 2017

And poor Venezuela has 1/10 the population of the US and still more homicide by raw numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

And the number of guns seems to have no correlation to homicide rates....or the US would be #1.
I'd say the desire and willingness to kill someone is the primary factor.

And you can't blame poverty either, Indonesian and Palestine both have extremely low rates....better then "1st World" countries that are "civilized".



Bettie

(16,095 posts)
45. And in the end, it comes down more to police department culture
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:15 PM
Jul 2017

than any of the particular guy's personal attributes.

Given what we are seeing, I suspect that a lot of the problem lies in failures in training and pre-employment screening.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
49. Actually, this is just the beginning, and you don't know that yet..
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:41 PM
Jul 2017

Beyond his being a cop from Somalia, we don't know ANYTHING about this guy yet and he's not talking, so it's too early to draw conclusions.

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
50. It is too early to draw conclusions about this guy
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:45 PM
Jul 2017

but I would say that we can safely conclude that there are failures nationwide with regard to who police departments hire and how they train them.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
53. He fucked up, but not because of his religion, race or national origin.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:04 PM
Jul 2017

He fucked up in the way a lot of cops have been fucking up lately - by shooting first and asking questions later. There is a very large Somali community here, and they have been trying so hard for acceptance. This sure isn't going to help. The fact that one guy did a terrible thing unfortunately will be attributed to all of them, because that's what bigots do.

MFM008

(19,806 posts)
54. In my own
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:31 PM
Jul 2017

Police training , the instructor said, if you can see that their hands are empty you don't need to do anything .
This guy fuked up bigly.
So did all the others.
They just got away with it.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
55. This incident is certainly making the people who judge based on race or occupation before facts
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:32 PM
Jul 2017

Have to kind of twist and jump through hoops.

Those who Resrve judgement for facts instead of rushing to judgement are not having that same level of mental discomfort.

Dr. Strange

(25,920 posts)
63. Disagree--this thread is so woke.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 06:09 PM
Jul 2017

Finally we see the truth: Mohamed Noor is the real victim in this shooting.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
74. Uh, No.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:34 PM
Jul 2017

It's just funny seeing the reich wing cop huggers show their true colors when the shitbird cop turns out to be a black Muslim immigrant.

Also funny how they conveniently forget that the victim is an immigrant as well.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
70. Not for those interested in the hypocrisy in play
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 09:13 PM
Jul 2017

Where was WND when unarmed black people were being shot?

They were NOT attacking the cops who did the shooting.

Where is the "Blue Lives Matter" bunch to defend an officer whose job puts them in daily danger? Will they support this officer's claim that he 'feared for his life' if he makes that claim?

Where are the people who said that the dead, unarmed black victims "needed to comply with the officer"?

And, after a series of non-convictions of white officers in these killings, and an admission by a prosecutor who will not bring a 3rd trial for Sam DuBose's murder in Cincinnati that some people will never convict a police officer, I wonder...will this finally be the case that breaks that streak?

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
75. Also Calling Bullshit on the "No Rally For Justine Damon" Lie
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 10:45 PM
Jul 2017

Of course, that top-down centralized organization known as #BlackLivesMatter is probably not going to organize protests because of their mission statement and also Damon already has white sympathizers across the political spectrum, including those who routinely and falsely put an "only" before "black lives matter."

However, Minneapolis had a vigil/protest for her that included everyone of every race and class. It was beautiful.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/minneapolis-community-holds-vigil-for-justine-damond/2017/07/17/0203fdc4-6ac1-11e7-abbc-a53480672286_video.html

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