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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-20/mueller-is-said-to-expand-probe-to-trump-business-transactionsThe U.S. special counsel investigating possible ties between the Donald Trump campaign and Russia in last years election is examining a broad range of transactions involving Trumps businesses as well as those of his associates, according to a person familiar with the probe.
The president told the New York Times on Wednesday that any digging into matters beyond Russia would be out of bounds. Trumps businesses have involved Russians for years, making the boundaries fuzzy so Special Counsel Robert Mueller appears to be taking a wide-angle approach to his two-month-old probe.
FBI investigators and others are looking at Russian purchases of apartments in Trump buildings, Trumps involvement in a controversial SoHo development with Russian associates, the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow and Trumps sale of a Florida mansion to a Russian oligarch in 2008, the person said.
Agents are also interested in dealings with the Bank of Cyprus, where Wilbur Ross served as vice chairman before he became commerce secretary, as well as the efforts of Jared Kushner, the Presidents son-in-law and White House aide, to secure financing for some of his familys real estate properties. The information was provided by someone familiar with the developing inquiry but not authorized to speak publicly.
The roots of Muellers follow-the-money investigation lie in a wide-ranging money laundering probe launched by then-Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara last year, according to the person.
FBI agents had already been gathering information about Trumps former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, according to two people with knowledge of that probe. Prosecutors hadnt yet begun presenting evidence to a grand jury. Trump fired Bharara in March.
The Bharara probe was consolidated into Muellers inquiry, showing that the special counsel is taking an overarching approach to his mandated investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. Altogether, the various financial examinations constitute one thread of Muellers inquiry, which encompasses computer hacking and the dissemination of stolen campaign and voter information as well as the actions of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn.
Joshua Stueve, Muellers spokesman, declined to comment, as did Abbe Lowell, a lawyer for Kushner and a Manafort spokesman.
Spokesmen for the White House, Trump Organization and Ross didnt immediately respond to requests for comment.
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Trump said don't go there....Mueller just said Fuck you.
Investigation includes
-Wilbur Ross's connection to Bank of Cyprus
-Jared Kushner real estate deals
-Trump SoHo link to Bayrock
and much much more.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,155 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)ananda
(28,836 posts)Probably just as bad as the tax returns we'll never see.
MelissaB
(16,420 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)erronis
(15,185 posts)Defaulting on loans from the oligarch/thieves of the Putinesca regime, psychological instability where he couldn't be trusted to keep his frontal orifice closed, and a sense of narcissism that offended even the current tsar.
Why not take down the US at the same time for a few freshly-minted (Kremlin ink) billion$? He has no love for the country.
Please, when he is assigned cell# 325-07-3254, please don't give him a mirror or a hair-piece brush.
Thrill
(19,178 posts)Hopefully Congress can just rehire him
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)Duppers
(28,117 posts)He'll call for martial law banning demonstrations.
barbtries
(28,770 posts)i would hope.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)UTUSN
(70,649 posts)Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Do all those lawyers working for Mueller get paid during this time or just during the trial?
Duppers
(28,117 posts)spanone
(135,795 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,684 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)Who will now realise the mess they are in and will be willing to flip..... First one gets a free pardon......
Baitball Blogger
(46,684 posts)malaise
(268,717 posts)He'd love to go out as a real hero
klook
(12,152 posts)McCain would go a long way toward redeeming himself if he did that.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Kick & friggin' Rec!
ecstatic
(32,653 posts)And I wonder if Mueller has a strategy in place to make sure justice is served even if he's fired?
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)Indications there are enough GOP'ers willing to break ranks and stop this now if he does.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)is that if Trump fires Muller, and my understanding is that he cannot, due to Sessions being recused, Rod Rosenstein would have to do it, all that Trump can do is ask him to do it. Rod Rosenstein has already said he won't fire Muller, and Schiff said that if Trump were successful at firing Muller, that the Senate Investigating Committee would hire him back through some other process that I cannot remember at the time.
Anyway, my understanding is that there is not a whole lot that Trump can do about Muller. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)and I hope Schiff is right !
forgotmylogin
(7,521 posts)TRUMP: "Whatever you do Mueller, you better not be looking at the finances of the Miss Universe pageant held in Moscow cause that's off-limits and would make you look partisan!"
AP: "Robert Mueller to expand probe to Miss Universe pageant held in Moscow, sources say."
TRUMP: "D'oh! Okay, Mueller, you better not move your bishop into position to take my knight cause that will put my king in check! It won't do you any good because I've got big plans if you put me in check like that!"
AP: "Robert Mueller plans to take Trump's red knight with white bishop, placing white king in check, inside sources say."
TRUMP: "D'oh!"
Purrfessor
(1,188 posts)Wednesday...Trump: Mueller is not authorized to search beneath the big oak tree at the bend in the creek on the back lot where the grass doesn't grow. That would be crossing a red line.
Thursday: Mueller pole vaults over red line, expands search to area beneath the big oak tree at the bend in the creek on the back lot where the grass doesn't grow.
Just how ignorant is Trump? Of the one quadrillion synapses in his brain it's like all but one of them is misfiring, and that last one is showing signs of impending instability.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Why not just draw a map to the buried bodies? His egomania simply does not allow him to shut his fucking mouth.
Nay
(12,051 posts)his 'threat,' Mueller goes after exactly what Cheetolini said not to go after! Mueller must be laughing his ass off, saying to himself, "What a fuckin' moron."
ecstatic
(32,653 posts)Which then caused trump to bring it up in the NYT interview?
Docreed2003
(16,850 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,965 posts)Johnny2X2X
(18,973 posts)They aren't just looking at his dealings to rule them out, that wouldn't be normal. They know he committed crimes and they're trying to put all the pieces together.
Trump's greed and being a control freak will do him in. He ran a lot of the money laundering through his son and SIL's businesses, but he has to keep control so he ran enough of it through his own to cook him.
Mueller will get around to the voting machines eventually, that's when people start getting killed or disappeared. This is literally the crime of the century.
ProfessorGAC
(64,866 posts). . .he wouldn't make a public statement. (Agreeing with you here.)
The only purpose of a public statement is:
1. They is reasonable cause and something is likely there;
2. A stick in the eye because Mueller isn't going to be told what he can and can't investigate.
Johnny2X2X
(18,973 posts)Mueller did not make a statement, these are leaks, and not leaks from Mueller or even from inside the investigation. Leaks can come from all over, when you're requesting info, those that have to give up the info can leak.
ProfessorGAC
(64,866 posts)That said, Mueller still isn't taking orders from It.
Johnny2X2X
(18,973 posts)The less they leak the better for him. Trump is dying to find out what is going on, but it sounds like the latest records getting requested tipped Trump off. But Trump is still in the dark on 99% of what Mueller is doing.
My prediction is this. Mueller will finish his investigation and when its findings are released it will rock the foundation of American Democracy. The public is going to be shocked how their government was handed over to Russia so completely simply so greedy men could feed their greed.
ProfessorGAC
(64,866 posts)And given this gang of morons, you probably will be
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)I would bet the farm that Team Mueller has anticipated BLOTUS making a stupid move and they have planned accordingly. These Patriots HATE this corrupt, lying poser and the best and the brightest have signed up to take him out. Period.
Godspeed good ladies and gentlemen!
Duppers
(28,117 posts)PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)But I have to believe that there's a plan B, C and D.
Mueller is wicked smart and they have anticipated his firing. The one thing really different now from Watergate era is that the G.O.P. then were not traitorous, complicit bastards. It was RePugs that went to Nixon and said the jig is up. Would Paul Ryan do this? We will have to wait and see.
BSdetect
(8,995 posts)apnu
(8,749 posts)Trump's crappy lawyers will make bleating noises, but Trump is screwed.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Get your popcorn...
leftyladyfrommo
(18,866 posts)I doubt that anybody could intimidate Mueller. Or the other members of his team. They have spent their lives taking down crooked assholes like Trump and his whole crooked family.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)"led the fight for law and order" "Hi-Yo Silver! Away!
Duppers
(28,117 posts)Had my first smile today, so thank you!!
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)I'd go find my little white cowboy hat that my Grandpa from Montana sent me, climb on the padded rocking chair arm and ride that rocker like it was Silver, my horse! That was tradition when we watched 'The Lone Ranger'. hahahaha
Okay, Pearlie, now you've done it - I've now gotta tell my true story...
Like you, I always *loved* the Lone Ranger.
Back in 'em days, I too thought I was a little cowgirl with my Dale Evans "getup" - the hat, Dale Evans shirt and shirt with fringe no less, red boots from Texas - the whole works was my and my sister's Christmas presents one year. And on my mean little Shetland pony, I'd go riding around our farm and off to the neighbors. Got to ride in our small town parade one year.
I never missed a Lone Ranger nor a Sunday night Roy Rogers and Dale Evans show.
Happy Trails to You!!
😂
sprinkleeninow
(20,217 posts)One of my fave shows back in the day.
Only, I dressed up in western cowboy gear. (Ima female!)
My maternal grandmother was a cowboy show fan-atic! Whass up with us?! 🐎
BarbD
(1,192 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,110 posts)They will lead him directly to where the most egregious malfeasance is going on.
Trump: "Mueller better not look into my family's finances."
Mueller: "OK fellows, I want everything on their financial transactions."
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)It's likely coincidence that this came out right after the NYT interview, but it's still great timing!
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)mucifer
(23,487 posts)not allow us to vote.
It's all very horrific.
we know it will be the end game when Mueller requests a stool sample from Trump.
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)even while feeling like Mueller's job is hanging by a thread
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,610 posts)Maeve
(42,271 posts)Gee, that's why he ran, that's what the tRump 'foundation' is about, the licensing in Russia and China for tRump products...the great price paid for his moldy mansion in Florida by a Russia oligarch, the buildings that never quite were opened but carry the golden T....it's the only thing besides himself that he freakin' CARES about!!! (and the kids are just extensions of himself, so forget them)
malaise
(268,717 posts)This is great - Mueller - I double dare you Groper Don the Con
Hekate
(90,564 posts)Gothmog
(144,939 posts)iloveObama12
(421 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)They must wake up in the morning and go, "oh hell no, I aint going in there today"
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leftstreet
(36,101 posts)Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)and Trump's bank records with DB.
They called the White House to allow Trump to rebut or to add his two cents.
Trump arranged the interview that was reported yesterday. He rambled, as always.
It's the only reason I can think of that Trump would go to the NYT, which he always refers to as "fake news".
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)Rachel really had it right when she said watch what they do and not what they say.
Trump always tries to say something sensational to distract the media when a damaging story is about to drop (which he knows in advance because the reporters contact the WH to confirm the information they want to publish).
orangecrush
(19,434 posts)hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)I find myself actually rooting for Mueller. Yelling "yes"!!!! at the television, etc. I definitely want justice. I want that orange ass taken down, baby. Down!!!!!
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)the suspense is killing me. Mueller knows what he's doing so I hope good things come of this soon.
roomtomove
(217 posts)in case he does get fired........nothing is beyond the Trump.
Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)regarding the backing up of the investigative material.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)that Orange Marmadunce might take his own life if his EGO gets backed too far into a corner? We know he's nuts. I'm thinking he could opt for checkin' out as opposed to facing the music.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)exposed to the light of day.
I'll bet Mueller's got an info dump stored somewhere, in case the republican Draft Dodger fires him. The facts about his crimes will get out to the public some way. Will the republicans ever hold him accountable? Not likely since they all seem to be cowardly and complicit.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)in case he gets fired. He's probably got people in place to start leaking all the stuff he's finding, to gin up public outcry for resuming the investigation. Repubs will have to comply.
It's almost better than Plan A! Mueller can't say what he knows while he's still heading the investigation. But once he's a private citizen again, he can take it straight to the press.
Catmusicfan
(816 posts)uponit7771
(90,304 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)As Trump drew a line in the sand over this he can't really retreat from, I'm morbidly curious as to the immediate reactions from all players in this theater of the absurd.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,165 posts)And his brand will be tarnished forever
barbtries
(28,770 posts)my feeling is that money laundering will be his undoing. not that there aren't a plethora of other issues that should be.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)NYC real estate guy in the era of Serpico? Fuggedaboutit.
niyad
(113,077 posts)just like he can any poor schmuck who worked for him.
Harry Also
(23 posts)... Mueller should go Wikileaks and dump all of the documents the FBI holds onto the Internet. Better that than Trump successfully shutting the investigstion down.
Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)by firing Mueller. In fact, this would be the straw that broke. And I wouldn't give Wikileaks the time of day, much less info. Just my thoughts...
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)Wikileaks is basically an arm of the Putie regime.
lark
(23,065 posts)You got it, it's Russia! So funny he's shoving this up drumpfs' nose today after the not so veiled threat published yesterday.
I just hope Drumpf doesn't fire him, especially since it appears he's getting this totally right!
Turbineguy
(37,295 posts)Act like you're guilty.
Quixote1818
(28,918 posts)Just wanted to see if get looked into properly.
HuskyOffset
(888 posts). . . and yet, he persisted!
Go get 'em, Bob!
WoonTars
(694 posts)...buckle up kids, this could get bumpy...
BigmanPigman
(51,568 posts)Or else he'll get the official PINK SLIP!
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)that will allow him to keep his illegally acquired bribes and extortion money. In exchange for being allowed to resign without an admission of guilt and without criminal charges or a presidential pardon, he will claim that he was politically naive which led to him being duped by the Russian Mob--and he will roll over and inform on each and every member of the Russian mob with whom he and his family every had contact.
How do I know? Because he has turned FBI informant before.
I don't care if Putin has golden showers video footage of Trump. Trump will dump Putin and all the rest to save his sorry skin. And since he has Secret Service protection for life, there will be nothing the Russian mob can do about it. Serves them right for spending their money and time on a worthless sack of shit like Donald Trump.
Trump will have to pardon or protect Americans involved in the plots, because they can be prosecuted by the DOJ and encouraged to rat him out. But Russian nationals can not be prosecuted and therefore they will have no incentive to talk. So, he will throw them all under the bus.
When it is all over, there will have to a villain--and it is going to be Putin and Russia and not Trump.