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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWOW! President Trump clearly explains pre-existing conditions so that even I can understand them!
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Does anyone understand what Trump is talking about here on pre-existing conditions?
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leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)ATL Ebony
(1,097 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,998 posts)What a numbskull.
Corvo Bianco
(1,148 posts)Does he know what anything is, really?
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)Where the hell can we sign up for that??
still_one
(92,138 posts)Sugar Smack
(18,748 posts)ALL we need is just one or two people, SOMEBODY to ask Trump, "WTF was all that about?"
OR even better: "Could you please repeat what you just said?" Trump couldn't do it.
3catwoman3
(23,973 posts)...would be a very effective tactic.
I am sure what ever random thoughts form in his addled brain dissipate the moment they spew from his mouth.
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)is.
brush
(53,765 posts)Joy Reid or Rachel Maddow would've been all over that $12 a year premium bullshit to at least inform the ignoramus how wrong he is.
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)brush
(53,765 posts)Journalism 101, and why make excuses for this guy?
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)the fact that the journo had picked that up. Pointing out that he was talking bs, would only allow Trump do his usual deflection. Instead, people have been making fun of his $12 healthcare, all day today.
tblue37
(65,334 posts)when he was pressed on some BS.
Actually, I think the reporters are doing us a service by allowing him blather on and reveal his absolute ignorance and incompetence--as well as the symptoms of dementia that I think his public behavior and utterances strongly suggest.
still_one
(92,138 posts)Hamlette
(15,411 posts)the whole interview was like that. If you chased down all the word salad in that interview you'd be talking to yourself.
He said, in that interview or somewhere else, that the republicans he met with yesterday were surprised by how much he knew about health care and insurance. Yeah, Trump said that. About himself.
I'd love to get him under oath before a judge who threatened to put him in jail if he didn't answer the question!
But I'd love it more if he was in prison.
MagickMuffin
(15,936 posts)He just opens his mouth and words fall out. He's never made any sense to me whatsoever!
kennetha
(3,666 posts)discrete information feed into it gets chopped up and mixed up into a puree of mush.
ollie10
(2,091 posts)If it wasn't for throwing Sessions under the bus in the same interview.....we would be talking about Trump's impaired cognitive functioning
niyad
(113,263 posts)comey, and threaten mueller. a three-fer.
ExciteBike66
(2,338 posts)If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit...
Shell_Seas
(3,332 posts)wendyb-NC
(3,322 posts)niyad
(113,263 posts)orange balloon "thinking".
unblock
(52,196 posts)yeah, 50 years ago, a 21-year old probably could get a good whole life insurance policy for $12/year.
and 50 years later it's worth quite a bit.
how this is relevant to the issues at hand is,... well, this is benedict donald we're talking about....
Me.
(35,454 posts)and it's nowhere near $12 a year
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Because he doesn't even know the fucking difference.
Johnny2X2X
(19,041 posts)Trump makes George Bush look like one of the great orators of our age.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)Siwsan
(26,259 posts)My mother would 'blither' a lot, before the Alzheimer's robbed her of her speech. We could be sitting there, talking to her, but definitely got the sense that she was there in body, only. Her mind was on a whole different plane of existence. Well, actually skipping from one plane to another. The biggest clue is, do the people talking to him get the sense he is looking at, or looking through them.
And will SOMEONE please ask him to draw the face of a clock!!! If he can do that, I'll ease up on sounding the alarm bells.
Blues Heron
(5,931 posts)"it gets tougher" = it gets tougher to screw people over
"As they get something" = as uninsured people get health insurance
"pre existing conditions are a tough deal" = It sucks to have to give people health insurance if they have a pre existing condition
"from the moment the insurance" = you can get coverage if you're sick, which I don't like
Your 21 your paying 12 dollars a year = you're supposed to get insurance when your young and healthy and then keep it your whole life
"It's tough" = It sucks not being able to screw people over and take away their health insurance
Doodley
(9,088 posts)this sense of entitlement that says once they are given a benefit, like lifelong healthcare, even if it costs them only a few dollars, it is hard for the government to take it away. But Trump is doing a good job of that.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)This isn't a word salad, it's a bunch of words put into a blender set on "puree."
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)haele
(12,647 posts)I think he said "when you start working and paying for your own insurance policy when you're 21 years old, and you're paying $12K (he dropped the thousand dollars) a year for insurance, and by the time you're 70, you have a nice plan. Then, you walk up and say "I want my insurance" and get a huge amount of money back. It's tough to manage to keep paying that much into the account over the years, but if we can make the effort to save, it's a good thing".
Which still doesn't make sense in the context of health insurance and pre-existing conditions - unless he's talking about the pre-existing condition of someone's wallet and health insurance for one's retirement bank account.
I heard variants of that spiel from "financial planners" in the 1980's and 1990's - he's rambling about either a 401K account that you have to start withdrawing from at the age of 71, or something like a term Life Insurance/retirement annuity plan that matures at the age of 70 - when you get it back to roll into a better paying CD account or something like that until you need to be shuttled off into a nursing home.
I know - if at the age of 21, I could have started putting aside $1K a month in an annuity for my post-retirement health costs it would be a good thing.
But regardless, it's obvious that Mr. "Lucky Womb Club" doesn't know anything about any condition that can't be cured by throwing money at it. A pre-existing condition means you weren't born with money, or were immoral enough not to secure enough money to protect your interests and comfort in the future.
On edit - I don't know of any time in the 20th century when Health Insurance cost $12 a year. Even when health insurance started as a private "Accident Insurance" policy back in the 1850's, if the annual cost was $12 a year, it would still be the equivalent of $354.00 a year today.
Until the 1960's and Medicare, most health insurance typically didn't cover very much - still based on a "savings account" model to be able to pay for fee for service health care. Unless, of course, you were lucky enough to have access to the VA, the Military Health Service, or to one of the few employer-type health care plans that were associated with a local hospital and pharmacy (i.e., the Blues - or if you were a Government Employee in DC or other government centers), health insurance did not typically make payments or arrange for cost savings; they just either gave you whatever money was in your account at the time, or whatever your policy paid out if it had matured. Or if you went with a term policy and never used it, they'd release your money back to you after the coverage term was over with a bit of interest if you didn't want to continue it.
Prior to the 1960's, Health Insurance was pretty much a savings account product for those well enough to start paying for future long-term care when one became elderly and couldn't work, or to cover for a someone with a chronic condition under control that would worsen over the years.
People who got health insurance often had to pay in hundreds of dollars for a year or two prior to being able to access that insurance for health care.
Haele
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,848 posts)a life insurance policy that is either in effect only for a certain period of years, or only so long as you continue to pay for it. The rates on a term policy go up as you get older, making it an excellent deal for a very young person who might want a large, relatively inexpensive life insurance. But you don't get back any of the money when you cease paying into. The beneficiary(ies) get the money if and only if you die. There's no cash value if you don't die while the policy is in effect.
"Whole Life" usually has a cash value of some sort, and can often be borrowed against if you wish, but the loan, if not paid back, reduces the ultimate payout when you die. It may start out somewhat more expensive than the term policy, especially at a young age, but the rates either won't increase at all, or will go up far less than the term policy as you age.
My understanding of health insurance policies by the early 1960's was that they worked very much like today's, except that costs for treatment, doctor visits, surgery, prescriptions, and so on, were vastly lower. They did not serve as a savings account that only had as much money in it as you put in. Health Savings Accounts like that are a much later invention. I'm remembering my mother having kept a Blue Cross/Blue Shield policy by paying for it herself after she left a particular job in 1962, and being very grateful for it two years later when my younger brother broke his arm and it wound up needing surgery. She paid little or nothing out of pocket.
There have been companies which bore the full cost of health insurance premiums, and their policies were as varied in quality and coverage as could be. I worked for ten years for such a company. Nothing taken out of my paycheck, although I think married employees paid more to cover a spouse and/or children. I only made use of it once or twice as I was young and very healthy. Have no idea how good it was for an employee with any sort of major health issues.
In any event, it is obvious Trump hasn't a clue what he's talking about. He doesn't have any idea how any of the insurance markets work. Yeah, kinda complicated.
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malaise
(268,934 posts)matt819
(10,749 posts)This is McCain style gibberish, and now we know that it was almost certainly the brain tumor at work during the hearings when McCain went off on a Hillary tangent. Makes you wonder if the same thing is going on here with 45. He's really lost the thread, hasn't he?
tblue37
(65,334 posts)I have long said that Trump probably has Alzheimer's.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)matt819
(10,749 posts)I haven't listened to the interview, just read the excerpts. Not surprisingly, it's mindless, rambling, idiotic blither. He understands nothing. None of it makes sense, other than he wouldn't have "hired" Sessions if he'd known he would recuse himself. Bus, meet Jeff. Jeff, Bus.
Really, I challenge anyone to interpret that garbage. It's the verbal diarrhea of someone of sub-normal intelligence.
There so much other nonsense that no one has corrected the buffoon-in-chief that he doesn't hire cabinet secretaries. He nominates them, and then the Senate advises & consents. Or in this case, rolls over and rubber stamps.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)leftstreet
(36,106 posts)He's confusing the two
Plus, with his tv viewing addiction, he'd be seeing those life insurance commercials constantly
Hope he doesn't try to reverse-mortgage the WH
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)He doesn't know jack shit.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Republicans: "Smartest president ever!"
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)Like many other Republicans who have stumbled into the limelight, not by their intellectual acumen or oratory brilliance, but by regurgitating a confusing mix of empty, meaningless words, calls to emotion, and a laundry list of victim grievances. Sarah Palin did the same thing, as does Rick Perry, and look back at the 2016 Republican presidential candidates, most of whom practiced the same kind of performance art to cover up their gross ignorance and hide the fact that they are all unfit for any public office.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I just can't believe this guy is the President of the United States.
tblue37
(65,334 posts)but he doesn't know the difference.
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)demonstrating a pre-existing condition in real time: an unraveled mental mess.
None of this tangle makes sense because the man is incapable of clear thinking, let alone comprehensible language. This could be Exhibit 1 for institutionalizing a mad man.
It's a 'tough deal,' but someone needs to do it. Fast!
bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)because the entitlements get more expensive over time.
He's confusing political with financial too.
world wide wally
(21,740 posts)VaBchTgerLily
(231 posts)That's just stupid jibberish talk-what an idiot
Vinca
(50,267 posts)IronLionZion
(45,428 posts)because it's unfair for them to cover something if they haven't been receiving the premiums for it for many years before the condition happened. He's saying poor insurance companies deserve a break.
At some point they could say being alive is a preexisting condition and not cover anyone. It's idiotic and evil to not cover preexisting conditions since that's who needs care the most. And it can happen to anyone. Just look at the recent news with John McCain's cancer.
Can you imagine how the free market will handle expensive cancer treatments if they could be more efficient job creators and drop him for his Vietnam injuries? On a related note, insurance wouldn't cover a lot of wounded veterans so they would be limited to the VA.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)gobbly gobbly gook, gook gook gobbly gook gobbly gook.
sinkingfeeling
(51,445 posts)nini
(16,672 posts)He is a blithering idiot.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)louis-t
(23,292 posts)A repug in my office lamented that it's really hard to take away the benefits once you give them out. I wholeheartedly agreed with him. The first thing we've agreed on in years. This is a guy who sits in front of the tv in his office waiting for fox news to tell him how to think. He gets angry watching it and starts eating. I saw him eat a whole large pizza with double toppings once.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,848 posts)just sit in front of the TV all day and eat.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Martin Eden
(12,863 posts)That could have come from Sarah Palin.