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Trump esp. disturbed after learning Mueller would be able to access several years of his taxes (Original Post) HipChick Jul 2017 OP
Does it matter if a pardon is "accepted" Jersey Devil Jul 2017 #1
Well, that doesn't make sense. If you don't reject it, you by default have accepted it. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #13
Since a pardon is a legal admission of guilt, the recipient has to ask for it dixiegrrrrl Jul 2017 #20
Not necessarily. If it's after conviction, or if it's your son, it's a given they want one, I think. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #21
Bring out the taxes, follow the money. Eom. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #2
K&R Solly Mack Jul 2017 #3
I can't wait to see the details splashed across malaise Jul 2017 #4
You mean the part where tRump owes hundred of millions to sanctioned Russian banks? flibbitygiblets Jul 2017 #12
I want it all but that will be especially malaise Jul 2017 #22
It makes the most sense, because, how can you be pardoned if a case is still Baitball Blogger Jul 2017 #5
Nixon Lochloosa Jul 2017 #7
On the up side, if there are "irregularities" in his Federal taxes dflprincess Jul 2017 #11
GOING DOWN THE MONEY TRAIL ..... They will find the Dirt on Trump and Associates & Russians trueblue2007 Jul 2017 #6
I guarantee you Mueller already has Trumps taxes...... sunonmars Jul 2017 #8
Really? How do you know that. It excites me Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2017 #10
First port in any fin. inv. taxes taxes taxes - Lawyers were just saying it,he must already has them sunonmars Jul 2017 #15
I have wondered about that. The return is stored at the IRS. If my taxes were sought by Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2017 #18
HC ! Your post title and the tweet don't seem connected? Please expound... Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2017 #9
he must have some terrifying skeletons in that tax closet spanone Jul 2017 #14
I hope they rattle around in his dreams HipChick Jul 2017 #17
You know what's absolutely leakproof? The IRS on Trump. Can you imagine - being an agent/accountant Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2017 #19
Sleep tight, Donny BannonsLiver Jul 2017 #16

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
1. Does it matter if a pardon is "accepted"
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 10:08 PM
Jul 2017

If a President declares a person pardoned it is a done deal. I do not believe the person pardoned can do anything to either accept or reject the pardon.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
13. Well, that doesn't make sense. If you don't reject it, you by default have accepted it.
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 10:55 PM
Jul 2017

Maybe you have to sign it.

You also have to be charged with something, I guess, so there's something to be pardoned for.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
20. Since a pardon is a legal admission of guilt, the recipient has to ask for it
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 12:05 AM
Jul 2017

with full realization of what it implies.
Therefore a Pres. or whoever cannot be handing them out willy nilly to people who haven't asked, 'cause it would be declaring them guilty, and against their interests.

Or so it would seem...

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
21. Not necessarily. If it's after conviction, or if it's your son, it's a given they want one, I think.
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 12:13 AM
Jul 2017

If it's your son, it could be at any time. He wouldn't ask. Dad would insist he get and take a pardon. Not that Jr. would have a problem with that. He would expect it.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
12. You mean the part where tRump owes hundred of millions to sanctioned Russian banks?
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 10:52 PM
Jul 2017

Assuming Uday and Qusay's boasts can be believed, that is. For once I hope they were telling the truth.

Baitball Blogger

(46,684 posts)
5. It makes the most sense, because, how can you be pardoned if a case is still
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 10:23 PM
Jul 2017

ongoing and guilt has not been legally determined?

dflprincess

(28,072 posts)
11. On the up side, if there are "irregularities" in his Federal taxes
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 10:52 PM
Jul 2017

you can bet there are also problems with his state taxes. And a president can only pardon Federal crimes, he'd still be on the hook for breaking state laws.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
18. I have wondered about that. The return is stored at the IRS. If my taxes were sought by
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 11:53 PM
Jul 2017

a US court/government prosecutor - would they wait for me to produce? Or could they just nab them from the IRS records?

Too bad press gave up on the novel idea to press for Trump 2016 taxes (not under audit yet). Trump knows the worst he does only lasts days worth of press....the minor stuff - hours.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
19. You know what's absolutely leakproof? The IRS on Trump. Can you imagine - being an agent/accountant
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 12:02 AM
Jul 2017

on the IRS team looking at his taxes? Either their audit was closed a long time ago. Or, they are picking it apart with a fine-tooth comb. Either way - we are hearing nothing. Amazing that someone hasn't leaked SOMETHING. Says a lot.

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