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rainbow4321

(9,974 posts)
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 08:39 PM Jul 2017

Question about pocket veto and Russian sanctions

I've seen pocket veto thrown around in online articles that are about the Russian sanctions passed. Given that Congress is going into recess soon...what are the odds that Trump will wait til their recess to address what they send him?

Please correct me if I misread about pocket veto, but it looks like if he "sends it back" to Congress to address certain parts of it and it's not addressed by Congress within 10 days it doesn't become law.
If they are gone the month of August...no law. I could see Congressional repukes going oh, well, we tried...knowing damn well what was going to happen.
Are Democrats doing anything to prevent this from happening?

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elleng

(130,836 posts)
1. an indirect veto of a legislative bill by the president or a governor by retaining the bill unsigned
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 08:43 PM
Jul 2017

instead of affirmatively vetoing it until it is too late for it to be dealt with during the legislative session.

(and cannot return the bill to Congress within a 10-day period because Congress is not in session. Article 1, Section 7 of the U.S. Constitution states:

If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a Law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a Law.)

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
2. The Wikipedia page on "pocket veto" is pretty extensive and covers the several court cases...
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 08:50 PM
Jul 2017

on the issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_veto

The 10 day period is for the President not Congress.

If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a Law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a Law.

Democrats have little control over the timing of legislation currently.

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
3. I thought they said they had enough votes to over ride his veto if he does.
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 08:51 PM
Jul 2017

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PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
4. If he returns the bill when Congress is not in session they don't get an opportunity to override...
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 09:00 PM
Jul 2017

the "pocket veto", they'd have to make a new bill (which could be identical of course).

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
5. Not if it's a pocket veto.
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 09:06 PM
Jul 2017

They have to start the process again when they come back into session, which he can then veto for real if he wants.

But I doubt any of that will ever happen. He's just going to walk on it and hope that everyone will just forget all about in all the covfefe.

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