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VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 11:35 AM Jul 2017

Jane Sanders Adds An Appellate Attorney to Her Legal Team

David Kirby, who specializes in appellate issues and white collar crime defense has been added to the Sanders' legal team. He was a a US Attorney for Vermont. (note that this article was recently updated to include this information.)

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/10/brady-toensing-vermonts-republican-provocateur/437431001/

That brings up the lawyer count up to three:



Now, Senator Sanders and his wife are taking the case more seriously. Jeff Weaver, Sanders’ longtime top political adviser who heads Sanders’ political organization, Our Revolution, confirms to Politico Magazine that Bernie and Jane Sanders have lawyered up. The couple has retained Rich Cassidy, a well-connected Burlington attorney and Sanders devotee, and Larry Robbins, the renowned Washington-based defense attorney who has represented I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby and disgraced former Rep. Bill Jefferson, to represent Jane Sanders in the matter.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/22/bernie-sanders-jane-sanders-lawyer-bank-fraud-investigation-burlington-college-215297






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Jane Sanders Adds An Appellate Attorney to Her Legal Team (Original Post) VermontKevin Jul 2017 OP
Tough spot to be in. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #1
David Kirby has represented other targets of Brady Toensing, so hiring him is VermontKevin Jul 2017 #3
I don't disagree with the move. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #6
Bond fraud. I think that's why the FDIC Office of the Inspector General is involved. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #7
The investigation into the loan predates Toensing's allegations BainsBane Jul 2017 #22
Yes, very negative. nt R B Garr Jul 2017 #4
Why do they always tout the failures of the lawyers? WhiteTara Jul 2017 #2
Larry Robbins did pretty well for his idiot client, Scooter Libby. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #5
The Sanders expect this case to go to trial Gothmog Jul 2017 #8
The FDIC OIG is involved. I think they are right to pursue the best legal representation VermontKevin Jul 2017 #9
A federally insured financial institution lost money due to potentially false statements Gothmog Jul 2017 #10
The loan defaulted within 6 months of it being granted according to the papers up here. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #15
A default so close to the loan being made means that there was something wrong done there Gothmog Jul 2017 #17
I think this is what triggered the Feds. Toensing is lying and grandstanding. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #18
Wow! They are asking for a lot of documentation. R B Garr Jul 2017 #19
The Politico article cited in the OP is well done Gothmog Jul 2017 #11
The Politico article is long, but worth it. n/t tammywammy Jul 2017 #13
You are welcome. The blog it links to is by a BC teacher. Great background: VermontKevin Jul 2017 #16
And this is relevant to what? mythology Jul 2017 #12
It's relevant to the rule of law BainsBane Jul 2017 #21
Look forward left-of-center2012 Jul 2017 #14
Scooter's Lawyer? Me. Jul 2017 #20
Indeed, very serious. Records requested from the subpoena: R B Garr Jul 2017 #23
Intense Me. Jul 2017 #25
You are correct. It's serious. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #27
I've read the breathless accusations: there REALLY is a there Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #24
Wrong loan. Toensing complained about the CC loan. The federal grand jury VermontKevin Jul 2017 #26
NEVER accuse me of knowing what I;m talking about Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #28
You are suggesting that the Obama DOJ is akin to Ken Starr. VermontKevin Jul 2017 #29
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
6. I don't disagree with the move.
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 11:54 AM
Jul 2017

Sanders clearly has a need to lawyer up, and they are. Still doesn't matter. The level of incompetence shown in the land deal is going to leave a negative impression no matter the outcome. It will also be hard to get past the Sanders need for a team of lawyers on this issue. I think they are being put in place to try to protect them from possible loan fraud.

BainsBane

(53,027 posts)
22. The investigation into the loan predates Toensing's allegations
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 10:36 PM
Jul 2017

by many months. The facts of the representations on those loan documents have nothing whatsoever to do with Toensing.

WhiteTara

(29,699 posts)
2. Why do they always tout the failures of the lawyers?
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 11:44 AM
Jul 2017

If I were the Sanders, I would want someone who won a high profile scandal.

 

VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
9. The FDIC OIG is involved. I think they are right to pursue the best legal representation
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 12:31 PM
Jul 2017

they can. It's a federal grand jury, so unless indictments are announced, we won't know anything.

Gothmog

(145,083 posts)
10. A federally insured financial institution lost money due to potentially false statements
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 12:58 PM
Jul 2017

This is a serious investigation. As a member of the bar, I agree that the Sanders need good representation and I am glad that they have hired very strong attorneys.

 

VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
15. The loan defaulted within 6 months of it being granted according to the papers up here.
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 01:53 PM
Jul 2017

That had to have triggered something. They definitely need lawyers used to navigating the federal system.

Gothmog

(145,083 posts)
17. A default so close to the loan being made means that there was something wrong done there
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 03:13 PM
Jul 2017

Either there was some fraud involved or there was a complete failure in the underwriting process.

 

VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
18. I think this is what triggered the Feds. Toensing is lying and grandstanding.
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 03:26 PM
Jul 2017

I think Toensing caught wind of the FDIC/FBI investigation, and knowing that he would not be able to get any People's United info or records, made up a bullshit complaint about the Catholic Church loan.

The loan under investigation is not the Catholic Church loan. It's the People's United loan for 6.5 million issued in the form of tax exempt bonds.

Some background: When Burlington College picked up the 32 acre property from the Catholic Church, a home for the mentally disabled was on the property. They were given 6 months to leave, later extended. They didn't leave on time, and took the archdiocese, and the College to court. They didn't leave until August 2011, and put Burlington College in a bad position of having to try to push along the eviction by the archdiocese, who seemed to drag their feet.

http://www.wcax.com/story/15253717/howardcenter-finds-new-home-for-special-needs-adults

Judicial Watch is currently "investigating" Jane Sanders regarding this eviction. I won't link to that cesspool.

The problem for the College? According to the state bond issuing agency's lawyer, James Foley, having this center on the property past May 2011 voided the tax exempt status of the bonds issued by People's Bank. This constituted a material default as of June, 2011. Sometime past that date, but before June 2012, Burlington College then drained their strategic reserve fund of 375k which could only be used in the event of LOAN DEFAULT.

This default would cause the bank to lose money through the loss of tax exemption, plus whatever principal didn't get paid, right?

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/can-the-catholic-diocese-boot-a-group-home-from-its-north-avenue-property-a-judge-will-decide/Content?oid=2142769

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3896777/Final-FY11-Audit-3.pdf

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3896796/Burlington-College-Inc-2012-Single-Audit-2.pdf

Jane Sanders leaves Burlington in September 2011 with a severance package of 200k, payable in two installments. According to the 2012 audit, Burlington College only pays 15k more on the loan in 2012.

According to a subpoena issued, a sitting federal grand jury is investigating the land deal. Looking at the reference number provided, it is possible that the investigation predates January of 2016, which would predate Toensing's letter.

https://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/investigations/records-related-to-investigation-into-burlington-college-land-purchase/2495/








R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
19. Wow! They are asking for a lot of documentation.
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 06:20 PM
Jul 2017

I tried to copy from the notes section, but the contents in the boxed area didn't paste. That is a lot of documentation.

Gothmog

(145,083 posts)
11. The Politico article cited in the OP is well done
Mon Jul 24, 2017, 12:59 PM
Jul 2017

Thank you for posting this article. I found it to be well researched

BainsBane

(53,027 posts)
21. It's relevant to the rule of law
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 10:23 PM
Jul 2017

and the principle that no one is above it.

You can always contact the Burlington Free Press and the VT Digger to express displeasure at their efforts to keep residents of their state informed.



R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
23. Indeed, very serious. Records requested from the subpoena:
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 11:06 AM
Jul 2017

"Any and all records related to the above transaction including bonds, purchase contracts, loan applications, loan files, loan payments, any and all fundraising efforts, pledges, donations related to purchase or loan efforts and any correspondence (internal or external, e-mails, memos, etc.) related to the purchases, loan(s) and bonds granted for the purchase."

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
24. I've read the breathless accusations: there REALLY is a there
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 11:18 AM
Jul 2017

there! Riiiight. FAR right

Sure stinks like Whitewater to me


https://www.amazon.com/Fools-Scandal-Media-Invented-Whitewater/dp/1879957523

A review:


After reading Jeff Gerth's Chinese spy stories in the NY Times, and realizing that they were mostly anti-Clinton innuendo with very few facts, I decided to read this book.

Lyons dissects Gerth's "journalism" word by word, innuendo by innuendo, half-truth by half-truth, lie by lie, smear by smear. Any reporter at a self-respecting college newspaper who was as dishonest as Gerth was in his Whitewater stories would've been immediately fired.

Before reading "Fools for Scandal," I was annoyed by Jeff Gerth's "journalism"; now I'm angry at both him and The New York Times, since they have obviously become tools of the most poisonous element in our political culture, the right wing.

When the history of this era -- with its right-wing smear machine and the corrupt journalism that is the machine's partner in crime -- is taught, "Fools for Scandal" should be required reading.



How many times is the VRWC gonna get away with this?

Victoria Toensing's SON, for gods sake, is behind this! Or whoever slipped it to him

David Bossie?
 

VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
26. Wrong loan. Toensing complained about the CC loan. The federal grand jury
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 01:15 PM
Jul 2017

is looking into the FDIC insured one.

TOesnsing is a lying sack of shit. The ONLY reason he wrote that letter was because he had absolutely no other way to publicize the People's United loan. He's a devious motherfucker.

What you suggest though is interesting: that the Obama DOJ convened a federal grand jury for a private loan the Catholic Church made. Do not blame OBama for this.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
28. NEVER accuse me of knowing what I;m talking about
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 03:06 PM
Jul 2017

Thx

I obsess about the media/whitewater,and any offshoots, connections springin therefrom

 

VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
29. You are suggesting that the Obama DOJ is akin to Ken Starr.
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 06:54 PM
Jul 2017

Mr. Toensing did not prompt this investigation, although he likes to grandstand and pretend he played an important role. But it's pretty obvious that this investigation began in 2015, or earlier.

The VRWC did not make that loan go into default 6 months after it was granted.

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