I am guessing, (I don't know)... tomorrow an apology from Boy Scouts of America..

[Stuart G]

Very sad...but if the Scouts want to continue..that will be in order..
I have read that they have a right wing background, but that doesn't matter..
.............We will see if the apology is given...........We will see

[50 Shades Of Blue]

1. I won't hold my breath. If they do, it will be a totally half-assed one!

[Stuart G]

2. If there is anyone with "class" there, it will be real and honest...but we will see.

[RKP5637]

3. Never, should a monster like Trump be invited to address the BSA. I've heard a lot of the BSA is

now RW and some troops funded by RW churches. It's become an indoctrination organization IMO. I've lost a lot of respect for BSA.

[Stuart G]

6. ..I have lost respect too... But this goes beyond anything I ever heard of..

I was a scout for a while..politics was out of discussion. But that was long ago. The BSA will or ought to make a sincere apology tomorrow. If it does not. It will forever loose my support and millions of others...Yes millions

[RKP5637]

8. I've lost a lot of respect for BSA. I was a scout way back and we had a great troop. Never did

politics come into discussions. Neither did religion. It was a fun organization and I learned a lot about working with others. It seems it has changed so much. I think millions are really getting fed up with BSA.

[Stuart G]

10. I agree completely...no politics, no religion..just scouting.. your words.."..millions

are really getting fed up with BSA" Absolutely true. This story sounds unreal..but it is real.

[Demonaut]

17. By not inviting trump would be seen as political...they had no choice

the focus needs to be on trump

[Achilleaze]

22. Scouts are supposed to be brave, honorable & respectful

One of the adult officials could have - and should have - gone to the microphone to assert the so-called values of Scouting, and to point out that the republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief just PISSED all over those values. The young scouts - being presented with the republican role model for an adult - cheered that ugly, degenerate, and heinous public PISSING.

BSA now = dishonorable, disgraceful, deplorable.

[Demonaut]

27. and most are kids..you're wrong

[tblue37]

13. They are trying to develop the Twitler Youth:

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[Shrike47]

4. There damned well better be one.

[Achilleaze]

5. Too late

One of the scout officials should have gone to the podium after the Republican draft dodger in chief had finished speaking. The officials had a responsibility to speak out and say that that was completely against all the moral lessons allegedly taught by the scouts. They didn't do it. They wimped out. And they have shamed them selves.

[duncang]

20. That smirking asshole behind trump

Needs to resign immediately. He should have stepped up the minute dipshit started that bs. I followed my son all the way from cub scout to eagle scout as a adult leader. And this pissed me off so much. I have posted on the BSA twitter and left a message at their office.

http://usscouts.org/aboutbsa/bsanational.asp

https://twitter.com/boyscouts

[Achilleaze]

21. My dad - a veteran and a scout leader - is rolling in his grave

shame on the BSA.

[jberryhill]

7. Ha, yeah, as if.

What possible apology would they have? They didn't know he was a jackass? C'mon.

He's what they wanted, and he's what they got.

[RKP5637]

9. Yep, it was certainly not by accident he ended up addressing them. They knew what he's made of and

in my day it was kept in the latrine.

[former9thward]

11. The President of the U.S. is the honorary President of the Boy Scouts.

So no, it was not an "accident " that he was invited. All Presidents are invited. Clinton spoke to them when he was President. The only President who did not was Obama.

[Justitia]

16. This is a right-wing lie.

And BTW, Barack Obama was an ACTUAL fucking boy scout, not just an "honorary" one.
Don't spread right-wing bullshit.

[former9thward]

23. What exactly is the lie?

Cut and paste. Tell us.

[SharonClark]

26. President Obama spoke by video as did several other presidents.

It would have been better if Trump had also, then maybe he would have stayed with his drafted remarks and wouldn't have had the audience to feed off it.

[former9thward]

29. That is not what the Washington Post says.

All the Presidents spoke in person at least once except Reagan who had been in the hospital. He sent Nancy. The Post says President Obama sent a "brief videotaped message" at the 100th anniversary Jamboree.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/07/25/trumps-boy-scouts-speech-broke-with-80-years-of-presidential-tradition/?utm_term=.2e84a31396bb

[geek tragedy]

33. Obama did speak to them, just not in person. He also didn't turn the jamboree into a modern day

Hitler Youth rally.

No one with any decency thinks what Tr*mp did was okay.

[former9thward]

35. Completely besides the point to my post and its response.

[geek tragedy]

36. you said Obama didn't speak to them (which is the rightwing talking point du jour,

in case you think no one noticed), which is also untrue as he did address them via remote video.

Obvious, obvious, obvious.

[former9thward]

38. I posted a link to the Washington Post.

Which was very critical of Trump. No one else, including you, posted any links. That says a million words by itself. People can read the link and make up their own minds about the original post that I replied to.

[geek tragedy]

39. your initial post, echoing Trump's remarks yesterday, took a gratuitous shot at Obama

People can infer what they want from that.

[LanternWaste]

43. I think your consistent movement of the goalposts is clever, yet invalid.

I think your consistent movement of the goalposts is clever, yet invalid.

[tenderfoot]

45. Then what's this?

from scouting magazine



Look! He's indoctrinating them!

[former9thward]

46. It's President Obama meeting with what appears to be some Eagle Scouts

and some other people. What in the world did you think it was? And what in the world does it have to do with this thread?

[FSogol]

37. A complete history of presidential visits at National Jamborees (from a scouting blog)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029369272

Obama spoke by video as did several other Presidents.

[Hekate]

44. The Boy Scouts of America has a "special relationship" with both Congress and the POTUS...

...that goes back to when they were founded. You can look this up. It's not intended to be political, it's intended to be patriotic. It's intended to inculcate good citizenship.

The ideals of the founders of Scouting included an idealized version of manhood a century ago -- you can look that up too. Some of those notions are what we think of as "liberal" (Scouts are all "brothers" regardless of race, creed, color, or national origin) and some have needed re-examination and updating. They took belief in God as a matter of course, as did nearly the whole of society at the time.

But they did not define that God. Most of society was mainstream Protestant. At a time when casual (and not-so-casual) anti-Semitism and anti-Catholicism were common, individual Scout troops were sponsored by Jewish synagogues and Catholic parishes, and the boys were all considered brother Scouts. Unitarian Universalists also sponsor Scout troops, and they are a non-creedal religion. There are many troops not sponsored by any religious group -- my late father was a Scoutmaster, Aloha Council, Order of the Arrow, and was community based and secular.

I could go on. It has been a wonderful experience for many. The worst thing that ever happened to the Boy Scouts was the rise of the Religious Right, with their intolerance, rigidity, and fear of change. You can see the results of that in our schools and all over the country, not just the BSA. There are people who have resisted, are resisting, and will go on, not giving up on a good thing without a fight.

[Hekate]

40. Former9thward, thank you for a factual statement. More light, less heat.

Obama sent a video address. It was certainly not out of disrespect.

[hlthe2b]

12. Instead, support the GIRL SCOUTS!

They've never condoned homophobia and would never have allowed this BOOR to address them after all his horrendous comments and hateful policies.

For the few who know nothing about either BSA or the Girl Scouts, they are as distinctly separate groups as they can be. They are now and have always been totally unrelated groups.

[HAB911]

24. +++++++++++

[JenniferJuniper]

14. Trump Youth must be boycotted now.

[Stuart G]

15. The BSA must issue a formal apology...otherwise..you are correct..

total boycott .....I cannot remember the BSA ever taking this kind of political stance..against or for a candidate or against a major figure in the USA. It goes beyond anything.. We will see..and I could be completely wrong,,,the officials may leave this alone and do and say nothing..

[Ilsa]

18. Did he also cuss in his speech?

I heard that he used bad language.

The facebook page has tons of people calling out the bsa for letting this happen... the red capped ringers in the crowd, not asking trump to give an uplifting speech, etc.

[Ilsa]

19. Trump doesn't understand boy scouts.

Trump has never done volunteer work, or was a camper. He doesn't understand the BSA motto, and probably thinks it's for losers.

[Foamfollower]

25. Today, the Trump Youth stood behind their decision and stood behind Trump.

[Blue_Tires]

28. Nobody apologizes for anything anymore

the BSA will just stall until the media heat dies down and move on...

[Cosmocat]

30. The hallmark of true conservatism

either ignore it or play the victim ...

[cwydro]

47. I think you are absolutely right. nt

[Cosmocat]

31. I suspect the only way this happens

is if there are troops that threaten to or actually disassociate from the association, and it will take more than a few.

As others noted, they likely will ride it out.

The "problem" they have is that there are pretty strong "conservative" roots the organization - that isn't to say that there are not a lot of non-deranged members and leaders. But, the "liberal" voices won't carry weight greater than the conservative voices.

[geek tragedy]

32. BSA won't apologize, won't even acknowledge that was inappropriate. Trump owns the BSA now nt

[Blue_Tires]

41. here's their non-statement

Link to tweet

[geek tragedy]

42. There is no honor in that organization. They're the Tr*mpjugend now nt

[BannonsLiver]

34. ...