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MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 03:36 PM Jul 2017

So, are we ready, finally, to come together for the 2018 mid-terms?

I ask, because, despite of the evidence of what the Republicans are planning to do with this nation, we still seem to be fighting among ourselves over who will run for House and Senate seats in 2018. We're still splintering over purity issues.

I humbly, but desperately, suggest that we vote for the Democrat on the ballot next November. Every Democrat on the ballot, wherever we live. I further suggest that we come together to convince every last registered Democrat in each of our own precincts show up and do the same.

Have we finally realized that, unless we do that, we are doomed to live under Republican rule?

Democrats, ladies and Gentlemen. Vote for them. Get everyone out to vote for them. Full on progressive Democrats where they can get elected, but even Democrats who barely qualify as Democrats in places where they are the only Democrat with a chance to be elected. Democrats!

Are we finally ready? Will we do it? Will we work to save this country?

Please let me know, because I'm getting pretty worried here.

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So, are we ready, finally, to come together for the 2018 mid-terms? (Original Post) MineralMan Jul 2017 OP
The drama doesn't even register with me. I'm gonna vote as underthematrix Jul 2017 #1
As do I. Always. Straight Dem. I'm all in. n/t sprinkleeninow Jul 2017 #51
MM thanks again saidsimplesimon Jul 2017 #2
Me, too, but I continue to worry that we'll MineralMan Jul 2017 #3
At least the Dems have been handed Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #4
It's far more than healthcare that is at stake. MineralMan Jul 2017 #5
I know, I'm just trying to dumb it down Blue_Tires Jul 2017 #9
Some grudges will NEVER be forgotten. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #6
In that case, we will lose. MineralMan Jul 2017 #8
Don't blame me, blame the Ralph Naders, Susan Sarandons, Cornel Wests, Jill Steins, and Nina Turners Foamfollower Jul 2017 #15
Birthday Wishes!🎉🎂 All the best! "Many Years!" eom sprinkleeninow Jul 2017 #52
And so you won't vote for the Democrats? Squinch Jul 2017 #13
There has never been a Democratic candidate on my ballot that I have not voted for. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #17
So then I don't understand the point of your comment about not forgetting grudges. Squinch Jul 2017 #20
See post #15. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #21
Ah. Got it. Squinch Jul 2017 #22
Haters and disruptor 'bots are still going to try to purity test our candidates. haele Jul 2017 #7
Yup. Each of us has to focus on our own neighborhood. MineralMan Jul 2017 #10
Yeah, the tactic worked so they won't stop doing it Johonny Jul 2017 #19
I have Meowmee Jul 2017 #11
If we gotta be stuck with tRump, he fucking deserves a Dem house and Senate. cynatnite Jul 2017 #12
All I ever care about get the red out Jul 2017 #14
Yes, please, oh please, oh please! Squinch Jul 2017 #16
PLUS 1000!!! We are in a fight for our democracy Bradshaw3 Jul 2017 #18
I don't vote for anything other than a Democrat. hamsterjill Jul 2017 #23
You're posing a false dichotomy. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #24
Bernie's son Levi endorsed Murphy. Is there some belief that if a candidate has money they can't seaglass Jul 2017 #26
I of course said nothing of the kind Jim Lane Jul 2017 #45
Do you agree that the contentiousness of the last primary divided Democrats Squinch Jul 2017 #28
Heated primaries aren't the problem BainsBane Jul 2017 #36
Trying to answer your questions Jim Lane Jul 2017 #50
Because when they demand Democrats bend the knee BainsBane Jul 2017 #33
Ah, yes, the nefarious "they" Jim Lane Jul 2017 #53
Power back to the people. oasis Jul 2017 #25
small minority of democrats demand purity to the extreme "issues", we are not conservatives, we beachbum bob Jul 2017 #27
It's not purity BainsBane Jul 2017 #34
forcing purity is forcing purity whether if its to center or left or right beachbum bob Jul 2017 #38
Non-responsive BainsBane Jul 2017 #40
DNC and DNCC should be recruiting candidates right now. Funtatlaguy Jul 2017 #29
I am not optomistic at all MM. The bullshit line, "I need to have a reason to vote for someone", still_one Jul 2017 #30
I have been ready for a long time!! samnsara Jul 2017 #31
a few statistics re: mid term elections melm00se Jul 2017 #32
I don't understand your first statement moose65 Jul 2017 #43
I'm committed to voting for the Democrat on the ballot. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #35
Been ready. Just waiting for the butthurt from the past election season to be over. Iggo Jul 2017 #37
Democrats will come together BainsBane Jul 2017 #39
When Democrats vote (for Democrats), Democrats win mcar Jul 2017 #41
And EVERYONE must vote left-of-center2012 Jul 2017 #42
Yes, and we all need to help remind people of that. MineralMan Jul 2017 #44
Has JPR woken up yet? RhodeIslandOne Jul 2017 #46
I have no idea. I never go there. MineralMan Jul 2017 #47
I doubt they toe any lines over there. RhodeIslandOne Jul 2017 #49
JPR is a discussion board on which multiple viewpoints are present Jim Lane Jul 2017 #54
Pitting purity test versus purity test is no way to win. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #48

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
1. The drama doesn't even register with me. I'm gonna vote as
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 03:38 PM
Jul 2017

I always do and I'm gonna vote straight Dem as I always do.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
3. Me, too, but I continue to worry that we'll
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 03:45 PM
Jul 2017

drop the ball once again by bickering with each other over fine points and forget to GOTV like crazy, which is the only way we can regain control of Congress and the White House.

If we fail a couple more times, we may never get another chance.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
4. At least the Dems have been handed
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 03:47 PM
Jul 2017

a simple, unifying message on a platter for 2018: VOTE FOR US IF YOU WANT TO SAVE YOUR FUCKING HEALTHCARE

If we play it right it has the potential to be a reverse 2010...

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
5. It's far more than healthcare that is at stake.
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 03:49 PM
Jul 2017

Far more. Healthcare is just the beginning. Count on it.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
9. I know, I'm just trying to dumb it down
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 03:51 PM
Jul 2017

into a simple, easy-to-remember, easy-to-understand rallying cry... They seem to resonate with voters for reasons only God knows...

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
8. In that case, we will lose.
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 03:51 PM
Jul 2017

Truly. If we cannot agree enough to gain majorities in our legislatures, then we will lose far more than anyone can believe. We could lose everything. It is just that serious.

Oh, well...I guess. I'm 72 years old on Saturday. I suppose I'll survive a few more years. Good luck to everyone else, if we don't get to work. Just good luck. That's all I can say.

 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
15. Don't blame me, blame the Ralph Naders, Susan Sarandons, Cornel Wests, Jill Steins, and Nina Turners
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 04:02 PM
Jul 2017

of the world.

haele

(12,635 posts)
7. Haters and disruptor 'bots are still going to try to purity test our candidates.
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 03:49 PM
Jul 2017

The captured Media is still going to play the "Both Sides Do It" game, even with "in your face" evidence of what's essentially a Mob takeover of the U.S. government as people are dying because of lack of regulations, oversight, fairness under the law, and/or health care.

There is a concentration of very wealthy "dark-sided" people whose need for increasing power and adulation depends on tearing up the Constitution, getting rid of any governance that ensures rights, and disenfranchise everyone else.
They will pay anything, do anything - lie, cheat, steal, murder, destroy - to maintain their personal sense of superiority over everyone. It's just a cynical game for them to play God.

We need to get out the vote, and vote for anyone halfway capable of working in a coalition as a Democrat. No purity tests.

2018 is pretty much the last year we can salvage the country for another three/four decades. WE NEED TO GET OUR PEOPLE OUT AND VOTE!
Even if we have to go to their homes, watch them fill out their mail-in ballots, and drop them in a mailbox for them, or take them to the Registrar of Voters to fill out their ballots there early.

Haele

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
10. Yup. Each of us has to focus on our own neighborhood.
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 03:53 PM
Jul 2017

Our own precinct. Our own state legislative districts. Our own congressional district. There's no time to waste on anything else. We must work locally, as hard as we can.

I'm very afraid that we will not do that. Very afraid.

Johonny

(20,817 posts)
19. Yeah, the tactic worked so they won't stop doing it
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 04:03 PM
Jul 2017

THe Russian hackers are alive and well and creating the false sense of a huge rift in the Dems.

If you want evidence Russian's helped Trump then just look at nearly every Internet site (particularly FB) at the amount of Russian bots delivering fake positive Trump support and pushing (still) the whole Bernie vs. Hillary thing.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
11. I have
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 03:58 PM
Jul 2017

Always done that since I was able to vote and I always will as long as I'm here which may not be much longer due to the healthcare results and the social security results. I'll have to leave my home of 50 years and the country in order to survive and to have any kind of a life if me and my family are put into high risk pools and lose care. I'm hoping my state will put in protections to stop whatever they do. I do hate living in this fascist country now though. It makes me physically ill.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
12. If we gotta be stuck with tRump, he fucking deserves a Dem house and Senate.
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 04:00 PM
Jul 2017

He doesn't know what obstruction is.

Bradshaw3

(7,484 posts)
18. PLUS 1000!!! We are in a fight for our democracy
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 04:03 PM
Jul 2017

It is all hands on deck, even if the Democratic candidate has flaws, or takes some positions you don't like. We don't have the luxury to demand purity tests. Those are all petty compared to what is going on now. This has never been more true. Work for Democrats and register voters and get them to the polls - it is the only way we turn this around to make our country the fair, compassionate and just place we all want it to be.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
23. I don't vote for anything other than a Democrat.
Tue Jul 25, 2017, 04:07 PM
Jul 2017

Have never voted for a Republican in my lifetime, and only vote for the independent in a contested race if there is no Democrat running in that race. If it's a Republican name with no challenger (which happens in Texas a lot), I leave it blank.

Any disputes amongst Democrats are petty when you look at the big picture.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
24. You're posing a false dichotomy.
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 06:24 AM
Jul 2017

The course of action you condemn is "fighting among ourselves over who will run for House and Senate seats in 2018."

The course of action you recommend is "that we vote for the Democrat on the ballot next November. Every Democrat on the ballot...."

It's a false dichotomy because we can do both. What you call "fighting among ourselves" is what I call "the primary process". There will be races where there's disagreement over who should be the Democratic nominee in November. For better or for worse, there's no fair way to suppress such disagreement. We fight among ourselves in the primaries and then vote for the Democrat in November.

Because I live in New Jersey, I don't have to wait for 2018 to see this in action. We Democrats here were fighting among ourselves over who will run for Governor this fall. I liked John Wisniewski, the veteran legislator who, among other accomplishments, played a key role in breaking the Bridgegate scandal. (He was the chair of the Transportation Committee in the Assembly.) His chief rival was Phil Murphy, who has never held any elective office but who, as a former Goldman Sachs executive, was fabulously wealthy and used his personal wealth to overwhelm everyone else in the race. It was a glaring reminder (if any were needed) about the problem of money in politics.

So I didn't like Murphy and I still don't like Murphy, but he did win the primary so I'll vote for him this fall.

seaglass

(8,171 posts)
26. Bernie's son Levi endorsed Murphy. Is there some belief that if a candidate has money they can't
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 06:40 AM
Jul 2017

support progressive politics?

https://www.murphy4nj.com/2017/01/levi-sanders-im-backing-phil-murphy-for-governor/

from Levi:

Phil’s values align with so much of what we fought for in 2016: a livable minimum wage of $15 an hour, respect for workers, an affordable college education, equal pay for equal work, reforming our broken criminal justice system, and an economy that creates a vibrant and diverse middle class and which works for Main Street, not Wall Street.

Like us, Phil is a fighter. He’s not part of the system and doesn’t owe the special interests anything. From following his campaign, I’ve seen how he’s built this movement voter by voter, one conversation at a time, through genuine grassroots organizing.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
45. I of course said nothing of the kind
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 03:34 PM
Jul 2017

I don't think a candidate must be bad because he's rich, any more than I believe a candidate must be good because he's endorsed by the son of a progressive. (Ronald Reagan and Ron Reagan, Jr. had sharply divergent political views.) I know nothing about Levi Sanders that would lead me to give his endorsement any weight.

What I actually said was that, regardless of how good a job Murphy might do as Governor, his ability to outspend everyone else (despite raising less money from grassroots donations) was crucial to his winning the primary, and that's a sad situation. I was decrying the influence of money in politics. That's hardly a novel view among progressives.

Squinch

(50,901 posts)
28. Do you agree that the contentiousness of the last primary divided Democrats
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 07:27 AM
Jul 2017

and gave the Russian bots a big-ass chink in our wall to bring an army through? And then do you agree that army turned a lot of people on the left against Hillary in the general election, and contributed to our loss? And do you agree that there were only degrees of difference between the two possible candidates, so that those defections made absolutely no sense?

Yes, we should primary the hell out of ourselves, but we HAVE to learn the lesson of this campaign: whatever our differences with our primary opponents, we need to always have in the back of our minds that any Democrat is better than any Republican, and we MUST NOT ALLOW THEM TO MAKE CHUMPS OF US AGAIN.

I am convinced that about 50% of the hatred and bile that were thrown around here were done so by people who were working against Democrats. We cannot be riled into hatred by them again.

BainsBane

(53,010 posts)
36. Heated primaries aren't the problem
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 08:48 AM
Jul 2017

It's what happens when the primary is over: the disrespect for fellow citizens' right to vote for their preferred candidate and contempt for any electoral outcome that doesn't advance their own power--in other words, democracy.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
50. Trying to answer your questions
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:15 PM
Jul 2017

First, let me emphasize that I was writing in response to the OP. The OP implied that we should "finally ... come together for the 2018 mid-terms" and stop "fighting among ourselves over who will run for House and Senate seats in 2018." I disagree. In many races, it's far too early to come together behind the Democratic nominee, because there are (or may be) multiple contenders for the Democratic nomination. Where there's disagreement over who will run, we'll be "fighting among ourselves" until the primary is over.

As a general rule, the effect of a primary fight is a mixed bag. Sometimes it helps to get our candidates and their views more exposure. Whoever is the nominee gets the benefit of being perceived as a winner, and may be in a better position than if the nomination had been uncontested. On the other hand, some of the supporters of the losing candidate(s) are so embittered by the fight that they won't vote for the nominee, even if they otherwise might have.

In the case of 2016, I think it was also a mixed bag. If no one had run against Clinton, she wouldn't have had the opportunity to appear in televised debates, where she could present the real person for viewers who until then knew only a media caricature. (I think it was a big mistake for Debbie Wasserman Schultz to restrict the debates to six, but it would have been even worse if the Republicans had had the airwaves entirely to themselves.) The succession of state contests also helps a campaign improve its messaging, figure out which staffers are the most capable, etc. In addition, the Sanders campaign brought into the process many people who hadn't paid much attention in the past (many of whom weren't even registered to vote until Sanders mobilized them); most of those people then voted for Clinton in November. Note that Sanders got about 13 million votes while Stein got about 1 million.

As against that, there were probably some people who were affected by the divisiveness. If Clinton had won the nomination without a serious contest, they would have unenthusiastically voted for her, but several months of perceiving her as "the enemy" left them too angry to do that; they voted for Stein or stayed home. My guess is that this number is comparatively small. With or without the Sanders campaign, Clinton had an image of being on the more conservative wing of the Democratic Party. (The name "Clinton" conjures up triangulation, the Third Way, and "the era of big government is over." It isn't completely fair to identify Hillary with Bill but it isn't completely unfair, given that there were only a few issues where she explicitly broke from his policies. Anyway, whether it's fair or not, that was her image.) Most of the people who voted for Stein would have voted for Stein even if Clinton had won the nomination without a contest. My guess is that the Sanders campaign, followed by his endorsement of and campaigning for Clinton, was a net gain for her in the general.

With that background, your questions:

Do you agree that the contentiousness of the last primary divided Democrats and gave the Russian bots a big-ass chink in our wall to bring an army through? And then do you agree that army turned a lot of people on the left against Hillary in the general election, and contributed to our loss? And do you agree that there were only degrees of difference between the two possible candidates, so that those defections made absolutely no sense?


No, no, and mostly no.

People who considered Clinton too conservative, and therefore didn't vote for her, weren't significantly influenced by Russian bots. The vast majority of them would have reached that conclusion with or without any Russian interference. For example, I don't think Cornel West is a Russian agent or was influenced at all by Russian agents. He endorsed Obama in 2008 but then moved to criticizing him. In 2014 -- note that's 2014, well before the primaries -- he gave an interview in an article titled "Cornel West: 'He posed as a progressive and turned out to be counterfeit. We ended up with a Wall Street presidency, a drone presidency'”. He was going to vote for Stein over Clinton regardless. I think that orientation was pretty common among those on the left who were against Clinton. They weren't turned against her just because of the primary. That's why I answer "No" to your first two questions.

As to the third, "absolutely no sense" is a bit too strong. I personally thought that the differences between Clinton and Trump dwarfed the differences between Sanders and Clinton, so I voted for her in November, but I can understand those who disagreed. I'd go with "made absolutely no sense" as to those who thought Stein might win. Those who recognized that she had no chance but chose to cast a protest vote were making a huge mistake but they were at least a little more grounded in reality.

Finally, I don't think anyone made chumps of us.

BainsBane

(53,010 posts)
33. Because when they demand Democrats bend the knee
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 08:27 AM
Jul 2017

Ridicule rape survivors and demand the party abandon civil rights and women's rights, that's totally about the NJ Primary.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
53. Ah, yes, the nefarious "they"
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:27 PM
Jul 2017

Someone on the Sanders wing of the party says something so that represents everyone who supported Sanders. By the same brilliant logic, everyone who supported Clinton was an anti-Semite.

As for New Jersey, I thought it was very clear that I was using it as an example of why the thesis in the OP was too broad.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
27. small minority of democrats demand purity to the extreme "issues", we are not conservatives, we
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 06:58 AM
Jul 2017

allow all opinions and manner of democrats. I could care less for purity on every single issue

we have trump because of thinking like that

BainsBane

(53,010 posts)
34. It's not purity
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 08:31 AM
Jul 2017

I wish people would stop buying into their Bullshit. They have no problem making compromises when it has to do with issues that effect anyone but themselves. Their goal is power, dominance. They are engaged in a class project to force the party to center their privilege above a poorerand more marginalized majority.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
38. forcing purity is forcing purity whether if its to center or left or right
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 08:54 AM
Jul 2017

and why the democratic party is a big tent party that takes in all opinions. Right now being "center" is 10 miles from being "conservatives" and hell of closer to the "left" than not...we saw what happens when a small minority of leftists sought purity so we got Trump and conservatives controlling congress. I'll take "center" democrats any day for obvious reasons to most of us

BainsBane

(53,010 posts)
40. Non-responsive
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 09:04 AM
Jul 2017

How is insisting civil rights and reproductive rights are too "divisive" purity? How is making excuses for muti-billion dollar payouts to Lockheed-Martin purity? How is support of corporate gun interests purity? How is profiting from toxic waste dumps in brown communities purity?

It's about demanding the party cater to them and them alone. There is nothing pure about it.

Funtatlaguy

(10,862 posts)
29. DNC and DNCC should be recruiting candidates right now.
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 07:48 AM
Jul 2017

Run candidates in EVERY district.
Depending on what is in Muellers report and when it comes out, the Repubs might be dispirited and in disarray in 2018.
It might just be our chance for a wave election despite all of the gerrymandered districts.

still_one

(92,060 posts)
30. I am not optomistic at all MM. The bullshit line, "I need to have a reason to vote for someone",
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 07:51 AM
Jul 2017

doesn't hold water at all. If the Supreme Court wasn't reason enough? If healthcare, Social Security and Medicare wasn't reason enough? If Women's rights, Civil Rights, workers rights, environmental rights, etc. weren't reason enough on November 8, 2016, why should I believe they mean something now?

Every Democrat running for Senate in those critical swing states lost to the establishment, incumbent, republican, and most of those Democrats were progressive.

I think your concern is justified, and we all should be worried



melm00se

(4,984 posts)
32. a few statistics re: mid term elections
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 08:24 AM
Jul 2017

over the last 21 mid term elections:

- the incumbent party (as in the president's party) loses, on the average, 30 house seats and 4 senate seats.

- the most house seats lost: 1938 mid term elections 72 Democratic Congressional seats

- the most senate seats lost: 1958 mid term elections 13 Republican Senate seats


If the average comes to pass the House will remain in Republican Party hands but the Senate would shift to the Democratic Party.

If, however, the mid term comes close to the all time historical highs, the House and Senate would both shift to the Democratic Party.

Unfortunately, even with historical highs, the Democratic Party would not secure a veto proof majority (something I am sure some people absolutely want).

There is an outside chance the voters dislike/distaste/disdain for Trump might lead to an unprecedented shift in Congressional power but that won't happen without a concerted, consistent and effective effort by the Democratic Party.

So the Democratic Party better get it's collective shit together and position quality candidates with an effective message otherwise the gains might be very fleeting.

moose65

(3,166 posts)
43. I don't understand your first statement
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 09:41 AM
Jul 2017

Right now, there are 194 Dems in the House. A majority is 218, so the Dems need to pick up 24 seats. If the average number picked up by the opposing party is 30 and the 2018 elections has that result, then the Dems will take over the House.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
35. I'm committed to voting for the Democrat on the ballot.
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 08:34 AM
Jul 2017

You can even put the most liberal, socialist, leftwing, absolute unelectable longshot candidate you can find on either coast, and I'll vote for 'em!

Why change now? I've been taking that vote for half my life already!

Iggo

(47,534 posts)
37. Been ready. Just waiting for the butthurt from the past election season to be over.
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 08:54 AM
Jul 2017

It's taking a while.

BainsBane

(53,010 posts)
39. Democrats will come together
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 08:59 AM
Jul 2017

But those who refused to vote for Clinton last November have made clear they plan to continue to target the D. party and its voters. They do not have a problem acting in ways that benefit the GOP because--as they have said openly--they believe the Democrats are worse. They must see Trump and the GOP as better representing their interests, and given their demographic and resentment toward the Democratic base, they may be right about that.

All we can do is try to turn out voters who do prefer Democrats.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
44. Yes, and we all need to help remind people of that.
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 09:45 AM
Jul 2017

Not everyone follows political news closely, or even at all. Truly effective GOTV efforts are needed in every precinct in America to help people register to vote and give them reasons to go and actually cast their votes.

We can't simply vote and call it good. We have to bring others with us to vote, as well.

If we forget or neglect to do that, we will lose.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
47. I have no idea. I never go there.
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 03:39 PM
Jul 2017

I'm glad it exists. It provides a home for people who would otherwise be here on DU under assumed names, toeing the same lines they did before the election.

Good riddance to them. May they enjoy their stay there. I won't have to see them.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
54. JPR is a discussion board on which multiple viewpoints are present
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 06:57 PM
Jul 2017

If your quest is to learn "the" thinking at JPR, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed. There is no "the" thinking. Instead, there are areas of disagreement. Kinda like DU, come to think of it.

There is a difference in that the permissible scope of discussion is broader on JPR. On each board you'll find plenty of posts that are harshly critical of Trump and his minions. JPR, however, is also open to criticism of establishment Democrats. For example, the iniquities of the superdelegate system are mentioned there much more often than here. I'm hopeful that the Democratic Party will implement a major reform of the system, as called for by the 2016 Convention, and that such an action will help dissuade progressives from chasing the third-party fantasy.

aikoaiko

(34,161 posts)
48. Pitting purity test versus purity test is no way to win.
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 03:44 PM
Jul 2017

I'm happy to vote for the best candidate who is always a Democrat where I live.

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