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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo.....what happened to "60 votes"?
What did I miss? I know for reconciliation bills it's only 50 but this wasn't that was it?
I know Republicans did the nuclear option for Gorsuch but are they just using it for everything now?
Qutzupalotl
(14,300 posts)Bills will be voted on later. They will have to restructure the bills if they want to use reconciliation and 50 votes, or else they'll have to overrule the Senate parliamentarian.
vi5
(13,305 posts)...because we needed 60 votes.
Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly but I thought 60 was needed for literally everything EXCEPT a reconciliation vote.
Qutzupalotl
(14,300 posts)MiddleClass
(888 posts)Floor for debate.
(Not correcting just trying to help answer his question)
standingtall
(2,785 posts)If they do and we ever get the house Senate and Presidency back we should pass single payer with 50 votes. Trying to reach out to repukes on this is a waste of time.
Gothmog
(145,107 posts)The 60 votes will come into play when they try to cut off debate to end a filibuster. Reconciliation rules do not apply to either of the bills under consideration https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/25/16025636/senate-health-bill-bcra-60-votes
But importantly, it still remains possible that Republicans can pass something the repeal-and-delay bill (the Obamacare Repeal Reconciliation Act), the House bill (the American Health Care Act), or some kind of stripped-down skinny repeal with a bare majority under the reconciliation process.
The problem, as Leigh Ann Caldwell of NBC News reported Tuesday morning, is that two major recent changes to Senate leaders bill an amendment by Sen. Ted Cruz on insurance market regulation, and an amendment by Sen. Rob Portman on Medicaid have not yet been scored by the Congressional Budget Office.
The lack of a CBO score means that we dont know the budgetary implications for the newest version of the BCRA, and therefore, it doesnt pass muster under the Senates budget reconciliation rules that allow certain measures to pass with just a majority vote.
standingtall
(2,785 posts)Seems to me it's way to much like the Senate bill not to need 60 votes as well
Gothmog
(145,107 posts)Most of the provisions found to have failed reconciliation were in both the Senate bills and the House bill.
I am glad that the 60 vote requirement will be in effect for these bills
MiddleClass
(888 posts)The Senate parliamentarian said 3 key items must be removed for it to work on the reconciliation.
Technically, they remove those 3 things, modified the bill as skinny repeal, and that is what just got to the floor for debate.
Amendments will modify the bill, remember: if Democrats get an amendment that the Senate parliamentarian rejects, this battle would then be back to 60. If not 50, which as of now, it doesn't have.
No one has actually seen the revised bill yet.
Long story longer: Republicans are failing to get 50, and failing to get the ability to use 50. Tagteam failure so far.