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HAB911

(8,867 posts)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 12:59 PM Jul 2017

transgender Navy SEAL: 'Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy'

A retired Navy SEAL Team 6 hero who is transgender had a message for President Donald Trump after he announced the US military would bar transgender people from serving.

"Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy," Kristin Beck, a 20-year veteran of the Navy SEALs, told Business Insider on Wednesday. "Transgender doesn't matter. Do your service."

Beck said Trump's abrupt change in policy could negatively affect many currently or wanting to serve in the military. The RAND Corporation estimated in 2016 that there were between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender people serving. Many of them just want to serve their country like everyone else, Beck said.

"Being transgender doesn't affect anyone else," Beck said. "We are liberty's light. If you can't defend that for everyone that's an American citizen, that's not right."

http://www.businessinsider.com/kristin-beck-trump-transgender-ban-2017-7

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transgender Navy SEAL: 'Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy' (Original Post) HAB911 Jul 2017 OP
We are liberty's light Egnever Jul 2017 #1
DURec leftstreet Jul 2017 #2
* 1000000000000! nikibatts Jul 2017 #3
More posturing and pandering DFW Jul 2017 #4
That won't matter when the Midwest will view it as rejection of the transgender. Shandris Jul 2017 #5
They weaponize everything against us Ezior Jul 2017 #8
Good counterpoint. :) Shandris Jul 2017 #11
I see even some right-wing Senators are not going along with this DFW Jul 2017 #14
I just saw that, I must admit to being in total shock. Shandris Jul 2017 #15
She was in the military n/t DFW Jul 2017 #18
Beck: You go girl! HAB911: Thanks for sharing! n/t MLAA Jul 2017 #6
K&R gademocrat7 Jul 2017 #7
We ALL know who's not worthy! dchill Jul 2017 #9
Spot on madokie Jul 2017 #10
Wow....I just got choked up seeing the trailer of Lady Valor....the Kristin Beck Story... Pachamama Jul 2017 #12
I'll KICK this! Tell us again about YOUR service Trump......n/t Bengus81 Jul 2017 #13
My dad was a Korean war combat veteran (USMC) who then had a 30-plus year career as a cop. Still In Wisconsin Jul 2017 #16
When my Black Hawk helicopter was shot down HAB911 Jul 2017 #17
I posted her whole statement here. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #28
thanks! HAB911 Jul 2017 #32
I just love a 5 time draft dodger setting military policy Big_K Jul 2017 #19
He had his own personal alt-Vietnam in his pants IronLionZion Jul 2017 #30
I want to know WHICH "generals and military experts" gilbert sullivan Jul 2017 #20
These guys, maybe? johnp3907 Jul 2017 #22
Winner for today right here folks! 7962 Jul 2017 #23
I saw the CNN documentary bobbieinok Jul 2017 #21
Trump's Only Coherent Ideology Is Making You Mad populistdriven Jul 2017 #24
Kick ck4829 Jul 2017 #25
Trump, is such a total ass wipe. Absolutely a disgusting failure and loser as president. And when RKP5637 Jul 2017 #26
So how's this wedge issue play working for ya there, Two Scoops? BeyondGeography Jul 2017 #27
Trump is anything but a proud American. He's a rich man who wants more money and power. C Moon Jul 2017 #29
Why does the article repeatedly refer to Beck as he? briv1016 Jul 2017 #31
 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
1. We are liberty's light
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 01:05 PM
Jul 2017

Well said!

It is the freedom of the least popular that is the most important to protect. That is what makes us free not the freedom to do the "normal".

Hat's off to this soldier.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
4. More posturing and pandering
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 01:48 PM
Jul 2017

Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about who is serving in the military. This is more to please Mike Pence and the Westboro Baptist Church than it is to follow any serious communication from the Pentagon.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
5. That won't matter when the Midwest will view it as rejection of the transgender.
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 01:55 PM
Jul 2017

Not that we didn't have enough of that to begin with, mind you. This will embolden more people to attack, thinking they're 'on Gods side'.

I don't agree with the phrasing of Kristen's statement; while it displays excellent heart, the MESSAGE will be weaponized against us by pushing the 'See, trans people aren't REALLY women, no woman is that violent!' rhetoric they ALWAYS use. At the same time, I totally get her conviction and share it. It's very frustrating.

Ezior

(505 posts)
8. They weaponize everything against us
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 02:01 PM
Jul 2017

They say "See, trans people aren't REALLY women, no woman is that violent!", and then blame Hillary for apparently wanting WW3 in their next sentence.

Fuck them. Kristin's message is wonderful and not violent IMO.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
11. Good counterpoint. :)
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 02:07 PM
Jul 2017

I do tend to get too focused on messaging and perception, it's one of the things that always leaps out towards me. What doesn't, quite so much, is how many people may take and hold a perception. So a threatening message that 10 people will react to reads, to me, the same as one that 10,000,000 will react to. It's a weird curse.

So yah, they WOULD end up doing that anyway, wouldn't they. No, I didn't think her message was violent -myself-...just how I could see it being read, based on the types of people I know around here. I guess I didn't word that well.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
14. I see even some right-wing Senators are not going along with this
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 02:29 PM
Jul 2017

Even Joni Ernst and Orrin Hatch (!!!!!!!!!) are saying they're out on this crap.

(Apparently, Republicans are cool with it if they die of diabetes or hepatitis, but if the Taliban blow them up, THEN they're patriots).

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
15. I just saw that, I must admit to being in total shock.
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 02:38 PM
Jul 2017

Er, well I saw Orrin Hatch....now Joni Ernst too?

I suppose I'll take selective protection over none at all, any port in a storm and all that. That's pretty shocking.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
10. Spot on
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 02:05 PM
Jul 2017
We are liberty's light, short sweet and to the point. Nothing more needs said.

I'm an old straight guy and I agree with this person 100-1000%.

Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
12. Wow....I just got choked up seeing the trailer of Lady Valor....the Kristin Beck Story...
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 02:15 PM
Jul 2017

Trump is a coward and an ass and has no valor and isn't fit to be the Commander in Chief....


 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
16. My dad was a Korean war combat veteran (USMC) who then had a 30-plus year career as a cop.
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 02:39 PM
Jul 2017

It's interesting to me that in all the years I have known dad- and I am getting a little long in the tooth myself now- dad spoke now and again (especially when lubricated with a few beers) about what made a good cop or, sometimes, a good Marine. It usually came down to (paraphrasing) can the person be counted on to do their job proficiently when the shit hits the fan. He never, ever mentioned the makeup of one's private bits, chromosomes, or sexual orientation as being relevant under these (or any other) circumstances.

God can you imagine it- Trump vs. ex-SEAL? Those are some tough-ass fighters. And TRUMP? Wow.

HAB911

(8,867 posts)
17. When my Black Hawk helicopter was shot down
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 02:46 PM
Jul 2017

I didn't care about the gender identity of the Soldiers who were risking their lives to save me - Tammy Duckworth


Big_K

(237 posts)
19. I just love a 5 time draft dodger setting military policy
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 03:00 PM
Jul 2017

Especially when not getting a STD == serving in Vietnam

 

gilbert sullivan

(192 posts)
20. I want to know WHICH "generals and military experts"
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 03:06 PM
Jul 2017

the orangutan is talking about. I think he's ...as usual...bullshitting us.

populistdriven

(5,644 posts)
24. Trump's Only Coherent Ideology Is Making You Mad
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:50 PM
Jul 2017

Trump's Only Coherent Ideology Is Making You Mad
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/zmvd8y/trumps-only-coherent-ideology-is-making-you-mad



"These aren't dog whistles but open appeals to conservatives who aren't as ideological as much as they're angry—angry at immigrants for taking the jobs, angry at phone menus that ask them to press 1 for English, angry that they have to think about whether someone is a Christian or not, or whether they're hurting someone's feelings by using the wrong pronoun. Maybe Trump will make all of that better. Or maybe he'll just infuriate liberals, which is the next best thing.

Or, as Jane Coaston put it in a recent op-ed for BuzzFeed, "The policy conversations and conflicts and basic premises that once governed conservatism—or at least appeared to—have been largely replaced by a set of principles built on the rock-solid foundation of irritating liberals." GOP policies can do much more than merely annoy liberals—ask any trans soldier—but knee-jerk reactions against social progress is what defines conservatism today. Maybe in the past conservatives used the Bible or some nod to tradition to defend their views. But in the age of Trump, they can skip a few steps and go right to hating whatever liberals say.

In a column on Townhall headlined "We Must Elect Senator Kid Rock," conservative Kurt Schlichter wrote, "We're past voting for the ideology. Now we're ready to vote for the id." These two sentences, quoted by Coaston, better explain the rise of Trump, and the reasoning behind the majority of his political decisions, better than almost anything you'll read. Trump has succeeded by playing into broad cultural fears, never mind that his policies are hurting people, like trans folks in the military or undocumented immigrants, who don't have the power to defend themselves."

More: Trump's Only Coherent Ideology Is Making You Mad
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/zmvd8y/trumps-only-coherent-ideology-is-making-you-mad

RKP5637

(67,088 posts)
26. Trump, is such a total ass wipe. Absolutely a disgusting failure and loser as president. And when
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:56 PM
Jul 2017

he speaks, all he does is whine. What a spectacle and such a F'en embarrassment. Just about the entire world hates him.

BeyondGeography

(39,351 posts)
27. So how's this wedge issue play working for ya there, Two Scoops?
Wed Jul 26, 2017, 05:39 PM
Jul 2017

Even Sens. Ernst and Shelby aren't falling for this one. Swing and a miss, fool.

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