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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumstransgender Navy SEAL: 'Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy'
A retired Navy SEAL Team 6 hero who is transgender had a message for President Donald Trump after he announced the US military would bar transgender people from serving.
"Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy," Kristin Beck, a 20-year veteran of the Navy SEALs, told Business Insider on Wednesday. "Transgender doesn't matter. Do your service."
Beck said Trump's abrupt change in policy could negatively affect many currently or wanting to serve in the military. The RAND Corporation estimated in 2016 that there were between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender people serving. Many of them just want to serve their country like everyone else, Beck said.
"Being transgender doesn't affect anyone else," Beck said. "We are liberty's light. If you can't defend that for everyone that's an American citizen, that's not right."
http://www.businessinsider.com/kristin-beck-trump-transgender-ban-2017-7
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Well said!
It is the freedom of the least popular that is the most important to protect. That is what makes us free not the freedom to do the "normal".
Hat's off to this soldier.
leftstreet
(36,101 posts)nikibatts
(2,198 posts)DFW
(54,302 posts)Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about who is serving in the military. This is more to please Mike Pence and the Westboro Baptist Church than it is to follow any serious communication from the Pentagon.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)Not that we didn't have enough of that to begin with, mind you. This will embolden more people to attack, thinking they're 'on Gods side'.
I don't agree with the phrasing of Kristen's statement; while it displays excellent heart, the MESSAGE will be weaponized against us by pushing the 'See, trans people aren't REALLY women, no woman is that violent!' rhetoric they ALWAYS use. At the same time, I totally get her conviction and share it. It's very frustrating.
Ezior
(505 posts)They say "See, trans people aren't REALLY women, no woman is that violent!", and then blame Hillary for apparently wanting WW3 in their next sentence.
Fuck them. Kristin's message is wonderful and not violent IMO.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)I do tend to get too focused on messaging and perception, it's one of the things that always leaps out towards me. What doesn't, quite so much, is how many people may take and hold a perception. So a threatening message that 10 people will react to reads, to me, the same as one that 10,000,000 will react to. It's a weird curse.
So yah, they WOULD end up doing that anyway, wouldn't they. No, I didn't think her message was violent -myself-...just how I could see it being read, based on the types of people I know around here. I guess I didn't word that well.
DFW
(54,302 posts)Even Joni Ernst and Orrin Hatch (!!!!!!!!!) are saying they're out on this crap.
(Apparently, Republicans are cool with it if they die of diabetes or hepatitis, but if the Taliban blow them up, THEN they're patriots).
Shandris
(3,447 posts)Er, well I saw Orrin Hatch....now Joni Ernst too?
I suppose I'll take selective protection over none at all, any port in a storm and all that. That's pretty shocking.
DFW
(54,302 posts)MLAA
(17,252 posts)gademocrat7
(10,645 posts)Thank you, Kristin Beck.
dchill
(38,447 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)I'm an old straight guy and I agree with this person 100-1000%.
Pachamama
(16,884 posts)Trump is a coward and an ass and has no valor and isn't fit to be the Commander in Chief....
Bengus81
(6,928 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)It's interesting to me that in all the years I have known dad- and I am getting a little long in the tooth myself now- dad spoke now and again (especially when lubricated with a few beers) about what made a good cop or, sometimes, a good Marine. It usually came down to (paraphrasing) can the person be counted on to do their job proficiently when the shit hits the fan. He never, ever mentioned the makeup of one's private bits, chromosomes, or sexual orientation as being relevant under these (or any other) circumstances.
God can you imagine it- Trump vs. ex-SEAL? Those are some tough-ass fighters. And TRUMP? Wow.
HAB911
(8,867 posts)I didn't care about the gender identity of the Soldiers who were risking their lives to save me - Tammy Duckworth
Link to tweet
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Big_K
(237 posts)Especially when not getting a STD == serving in Vietnam
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)gilbert sullivan
(192 posts)the orangutan is talking about. I think he's ...as usual...bullshitting us.
johnp3907
(3,730 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)Saw it when it played some years ago. Very surprizing story.
populistdriven
(5,644 posts)Trump's Only Coherent Ideology Is Making You Mad
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/zmvd8y/trumps-only-coherent-ideology-is-making-you-mad
"These aren't dog whistles but open appeals to conservatives who aren't as ideological as much as they're angryangry at immigrants for taking the jobs, angry at phone menus that ask them to press 1 for English, angry that they have to think about whether someone is a Christian or not, or whether they're hurting someone's feelings by using the wrong pronoun. Maybe Trump will make all of that better. Or maybe he'll just infuriate liberals, which is the next best thing.
Or, as Jane Coaston put it in a recent op-ed for BuzzFeed, "The policy conversations and conflicts and basic premises that once governed conservatismor at least appeared tohave been largely replaced by a set of principles built on the rock-solid foundation of irritating liberals." GOP policies can do much more than merely annoy liberalsask any trans soldierbut knee-jerk reactions against social progress is what defines conservatism today. Maybe in the past conservatives used the Bible or some nod to tradition to defend their views. But in the age of Trump, they can skip a few steps and go right to hating whatever liberals say.
In a column on Townhall headlined "We Must Elect Senator Kid Rock," conservative Kurt Schlichter wrote, "We're past voting for the ideology. Now we're ready to vote for the id." These two sentences, quoted by Coaston, better explain the rise of Trump, and the reasoning behind the majority of his political decisions, better than almost anything you'll read. Trump has succeeded by playing into broad cultural fears, never mind that his policies are hurting people, like trans folks in the military or undocumented immigrants, who don't have the power to defend themselves."
More: Trump's Only Coherent Ideology Is Making You Mad
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/zmvd8y/trumps-only-coherent-ideology-is-making-you-mad
RKP5637
(67,088 posts)he speaks, all he does is whine. What a spectacle and such a F'en embarrassment. Just about the entire world hates him.
BeyondGeography
(39,351 posts)Even Sens. Ernst and Shelby aren't falling for this one. Swing and a miss, fool.