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riversedge

(70,084 posts)
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 01:46 PM Jul 2017

WTF?!?! @Mike_Pence: Millions losing health insurance is the very essence of living in a free soci

Paul Ryan basically said the same thing a while ago.--Health insurance is a matter of Liberty--that People can choose not to buy h. insurance (but we can not buy it if have no money to do so!!)




Democratic Coalition‏ @TheDemCoalition 2h2 hours ago

WTF?!?! @Mike_Pence: Millions losing health insurance is “the very essence of living in a free society” http://shareblue.com/pence-millions-losing-health-insurance-is-the-very-essence-of-living-in-a-free-society/#.WXoIlOUlbfk.twitter … via @owillis







Pence: Millions losing health insurance is “the very essence of living in a free society”
By Oliver Willis | July 26, 2017

Mike Pence callously described the scenario in which millions would lose coverage under the Republican health care bill as "the very essence of living in a free society," dismissing the harsh reality of such a negative policy.
Fox News

Mike Pence has a seriously disturbing view of freedom.

Sitting down for a prime-time interview with Fox News host and favorite of neo-Nazis Tucker Carlson,
Pence offered an offensive take on the devastating result of the health care repeal bill that he, Donald Trump, and congressional Republicans are insistently pushing and which would cause millions of Americans to lose their health insurance.

Carlson asked Pence if the repeal effort would be “worth it” if the outcome led to “millions fewer Americans” having health insurance.

In response, Pence said “the very essence of living in a free society is people get to make their own decisions,” accepting the destructive results of the legislation as the price of doing business — and enacting the tax cuts for the wealthy tucked inside the bill.



CARLSON: But if after a year or two of giving people more choices, millions fewer Americans had health insurance, would that be worth it?

PENCE: Well, it’s — it’s — the very essence of living in a free society is people get to make their own decisions. But the president and I truly believe that if you lower the cost of health insurance, if you give Americans more choices in health insurance, that more Americans will choose, more employers will choose, to have and offer health insurance to their employees and have health insurance for their families.
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WTF?!?! @Mike_Pence: Millions losing health insurance is the very essence of living in a free soci (Original Post) riversedge Jul 2017 OP
War is Peace! MineralMan Jul 2017 #1
Putting the absolute craziness of this statement aside, what the GOP fails to remember when Vinca Jul 2017 #2
But hey... Republicans offer choices C_U_L8R Jul 2017 #3
The Republicans are all about choices dontcha know... Zoonart Jul 2017 #9
Or cannabis. MindPilot Jul 2017 #24
they're all about states rights too exept onethatcares Jul 2017 #35
Yep. Zoonart Jul 2017 #38
They need to privatize air and make people pay for it dalton99a Jul 2017 #4
Lets do this. How about for freedum sake, a-hole pence, Iliyah Jul 2017 #5
Putin's back up cock holster elehhhhna Jul 2017 #6
Pence, Lyin' Ryan and the Turtle are modern day Marie Antoinettes gohuskies Jul 2017 #7
If only! atreides1 Jul 2017 #12
Next month's chocolate ration will be increased to 23 grams, from 25 grams. roamer65 Jul 2017 #8
He is so fucking vile! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2017 #10
An American VP who hates Americans. Pence vision of the us is bronxiteforever Jul 2017 #11
It's only a choice if you can afford it but decide not to buy it eleny Jul 2017 #13
Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Jul 2017 #25
the base is so blinded by their various hatreds that they're eating shit and believing it's candy eleny Jul 2017 #31
He's a piece of shit GallopingGhost Jul 2017 #14
Ugh. Simple minded idiot. Glimmer of Hope Jul 2017 #15
So if folks are free from having health insurance greymattermom Jul 2017 #16
As they say, Arbeit macht frei! eom. Bad Thoughts Jul 2017 #17
Yep, he is the essence of Lifelong Protester Jul 2017 #18
This is why some are not calling for Trump's impeachment Moral Compass Jul 2017 #19
Actually, I think Baal would be more honorable and just than the "god" of the Evilangelicals. haele Jul 2017 #23
Infestation of the moral majority pest. n/t sprinkleeninow Jul 2017 #28
Pence has never experienced a day of financial insecurity. Not one. politicat Jul 2017 #20
Oh my! I didn't realize he was that young. hunter Jul 2017 #32
like the conman said onethatcares Jul 2017 #36
In other words, healthcare is not a right in Pence's view... Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #21
His conclusions are based on lies. Ilsa Jul 2017 #22
But he and Trump "truly believe" unicorns are going to shit rainbows. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2017 #34
That's some creative b.s. LyndaG Jul 2017 #26
"Freedom's just another word for 'nothing left to lose . . . . '" no_hypocrisy Jul 2017 #27
So, apparently, there is not other free nation on Earth if bring ripped off for health world wide wally Jul 2017 #29
That's not really what he said Egnever Jul 2017 #30
He "truly believes" NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #33
Yeah, right. Solly Mack Jul 2017 #37

Vinca

(50,236 posts)
2. Putting the absolute craziness of this statement aside, what the GOP fails to remember when
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 01:49 PM
Jul 2017

they opine on the freedom to not have health insurance is that when the uninsured person falls down a flight of stairs and breaks both legs, it's taxpayers and people covered by insurance who end up with the bill for their care.

Zoonart

(11,832 posts)
9. The Republicans are all about choices dontcha know...
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 02:00 PM
Jul 2017

unless there are vaginas involved..or you know... the gay.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
24. Or cannabis.
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 03:26 PM
Jul 2017

Apparently Pence subscribes to the Bobby McGee* definition of freedom.





*"freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
5. Lets do this. How about for freedum sake, a-hole pence,
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 01:55 PM
Jul 2017

take your family off of any health care insurance for like forever, and come back to me with your "freedom" conclusion.

gohuskies

(1,154 posts)
7. Pence, Lyin' Ryan and the Turtle are modern day Marie Antoinettes
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 01:55 PM
Jul 2017

Disgusting disregard for doing the right thing in order to line the pockets of the likes of the Kochsuckers.. We're in for really chaotic downfall of true American ethics and values.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
11. An American VP who hates Americans. Pence vision of the us is
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 02:24 PM
Jul 2017

Where nobody has health insurance but everyone has a gun and there are only white people and men have all the jobs.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
25. Thank YOU!
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 03:59 PM
Jul 2017

Are these assclowns really that dense or do they just think we are too stupid to see through their bullshit?

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
14. He's a piece of shit
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 02:28 PM
Jul 2017

and an embarrassment to Christians everywhere.

Don't count on those angel wings just yet, Mikey.

Moral Compass

(1,513 posts)
19. This is why some are not calling for Trump's impeachment
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 02:57 PM
Jul 2017

If Trump goes then we have Pence. If
Pence goes then Ryan. If Ryan goes then Hatch.

Having someone as President that thinks like this is truly horrifying to contemplate.

Using this reasoning if are not able to afford water, food, Healthcare...then you are free to die. The blessings of liberty I suppose. Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose (Me and Bobby McGee).

There are so many in the Republican Party that think this way... Is it a virus? A worm from outer space that has infected their brains?

They call themselves Christian, but in their hearts they would be at home with the worshippers of Baal.

haele

(12,640 posts)
23. Actually, I think Baal would be more honorable and just than the "god" of the Evilangelicals.
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 03:16 PM
Jul 2017

Baal was a Caananite weather god who hated snakes, the brother of Hadad, a fertility god. He also hated snakes, just like the other period Levant weather deities eventually known as Yaweh or El. He had seasonal sacrifices, along with the typical emergency sacrifices. Like most gods of the time, he was pretty capricious. But other the fear of pissing him off and suffering bad weather, he was generally considered beneficial, and when his worshipers merged him with his brother, he turned into the head of gods or a god of kingship - because good harvests, healthy livestock, and continuing pleasant weather was critical for a tribe's long term survival.

The monotheistic Israelites considered him more of competition to their god, rather than particularly evil god. Since their god was jealous, Baal worship had to be totally discredited.

Mammon, now - that's the one the Evilangelicals really worship. FWIW, Mammon isn't really a god, it's the "spirit" or practice of love for immediate power and all it's trappings over all else - a totally nihilistic philosophy and spirituality. Sort of like the "Dark side of the Force"

Haele

politicat

(9,808 posts)
20. Pence has never experienced a day of financial insecurity. Not one.
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 03:05 PM
Jul 2017

Born in 59, his parents owned a chain of gas stations (at which they didn't shift work) partially inherited. 60s gas stations were service stations -- oil, tires, repairs and fuel. Service stations printed money in the 60s. He was too young for Vietnam (turned 18 in '77) so that was never a worry for him. Went to college on his parents' dime, through law school. Spent almost no time in private practice, probably because his extremely limited record doesn't look very good. Used campaign funds to support himself (not illegal at the time); seems to have run for the contributions at least twice.

He's been on Wingnut Welfare or the public purse since 1988.

Dollars to donuts, he's never dealt with any of the household paperwork. That's "Mother's" job. He maybe signs a policy once a year, maybe sees a doctor when Mother tells him to go, doesn't make his own appointments, isn't his own healthcare advocate, never took a day of sick/vacation/PTO to care for his own children. If she got hit by the proverbial bus, he would have no clue how to run the household.

He is so isolated in his privileged bubble he has no clue. He has no concept of a "free society" because he's never been part of one that wasn't built for his benefit. He's always had the cheat codes. And it shows. He's an idjit, as my grandfather used to say.

hunter

(38,302 posts)
32. Oh my! I didn't realize he was that young.
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 04:45 PM
Jul 2017

I figured he was born in the 'forties at the very latest, maybe one of those guys too young for Korea, too old for Vietnam. I didn't even bother to look at his age, didn't realize the empty evil consuming his soul had reached the surface like that.

What the hell happened to him? Was he bitten by a Reagan vampire? Can he see himself in a mirror?



Docreed2003

(16,850 posts)
21. In other words, healthcare is not a right in Pence's view...
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 03:06 PM
Jul 2017

In the wordview of these sick fucks, there's no place for universal coverage because it would interfere with "freedom"...the only "free society" these slugs care about is the free market and the ability to make profit at the expense of screwing people. There's is no "freedom of choice" if that choice is unattainable.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
22. His conclusions are based on lies.
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 03:09 PM
Jul 2017

The cost of insurance will go up at least 20% over time.

Of course, none of it matters coming from a douchebag.

34. But he and Trump "truly believe" unicorns are going to shit rainbows.
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 05:31 PM
Jul 2017

According to Stephen Colbert's (the character, not the person) definition of "truthiness" Pense and Trump nail it: believing that something is true despite evidence to the contrary.

We've had a 30 year experiment of "free (unregulated) markets" and lower taxes on the rich, and the result is out country is worse off by every metric than any other country in the world. Well, not every metric -- we have a larger military force than the next five countries combined.

world wide wally

(21,738 posts)
29. So, apparently, there is not other free nation on Earth if bring ripped off for health
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 04:19 PM
Jul 2017

care is the "essence of living in a free society".
Except Somalia of course.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
30. That's not really what he said
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 04:25 PM
Jul 2017

it's twisting his words.

That said what he said is bullshit because they are taking away choices and raising premiums not the opposite.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
33. He "truly believes"
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 04:55 PM
Jul 2017

Pence believes a lot of bullshit. This is just another one.

I can't stand to listen to him. He always looks and sounds like he's sleepwalking.

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
37. Yeah, right.
Thu Jul 27, 2017, 06:04 PM
Jul 2017
it’s — the very essence of living in a free society is people get to make their own decisions.


But not when it comes to women having choices.

Pence is a liar, typical state of being for a theocrat.

They're not callous and cruel, liars and hypocrites - they're giving us the freedom to die!
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