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Why Did Senator John McCain Vote To Save ACA.... (Original Post) LovingA2andMI Jul 2017 OP
This crossed my mind also. mobeau69 Jul 2017 #1
and one last big fuck you to a Pres who trashed his war hero status.... sunonmars Jul 2017 #2
Yes....yes....how could McCain ever forgive what tRump said about him. a kennedy Jul 2017 #31
Thank You, Teddy... LovingA2andMI Jul 2017 #3
There was a WaPo article last week about how much McCain Alice11111 Jul 2017 #10
The old saying - "Why ask why?" just be greatful! n/m bagelsforbreakfast Jul 2017 #4
"I like people who weren't captured." A-Schwarzenegger Jul 2017 #5
That had to be in his mind. Alice11111 Jul 2017 #11
And "He's been losing so long he doesn't know how to win anymore" A-Schwarzenegger Jul 2017 #12
The way he walked up& dramatically turned his thumb down Alice11111 Jul 2017 #13
May there be many more... A-Schwarzenegger Jul 2017 #19
Yes! How are the religious right handling Mucci? He's Alice11111 Jul 2017 #39
He should've said, "Pres two scoops....capture Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #21
Wow just wow Lotusflower70 Jul 2017 #6
Thank you, Sen McCain. n/t TDale313 Jul 2017 #7
No one, least of all Trump, expected McCain to step to be an American Hero.., bagelsforbreakfast Jul 2017 #8
Part of it might have been that he had the opportunity to Alice11111 Jul 2017 #14
But isn't that the measure of a man when you get down to it? n/m bagelsforbreakfast Jul 2017 #15
What you do as you face death...truth . Alice11111 Jul 2017 #17
Did you forget his pre-speech vote of "Yes," when a "No" could have prevented this WinkyDink Jul 2017 #20
Drama queen? Giving two scoops a chance to Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #22
I do like that scenario, I must admit! WinkyDink Jul 2017 #35
I though a lot about that. Sort of looks like he wanted Alice11111 Jul 2017 #38
i guess i'm getting cynical, barbtries Jul 2017 #9
That sounds more like the "maverick" we're Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #23
twitter does barbtries Jul 2017 #29
Yep malaise Jul 2017 #28
Same here Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #30
Good morning my friend malaise Jul 2017 #32
McCain had nothing to lose zz-la Jul 2017 #16
Because in the battle of the Good vs. Evil, the Jedi vs. the Dark side, the force for Good managed Pachamama Jul 2017 #18
Excellent! This and one other post moistened Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #24
Hug back to you Gabi.... Pachamama Jul 2017 #25
Dance it out!!!! Gabi Hayes Jul 2017 #26
Interestingly enough I sensed the same yesterday BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #27
My cynical mind sees other possibilities duncang Jul 2017 #33
mccain also knows what liars dominate the GOP in the hOuse, starting with Paul Ryan beachbum bob Jul 2017 #34
Multi-faceted, IMO. Conscience? Maybe, but he was not pro-ACA; he was pro-Senate-Rules. Legacy? WinkyDink Jul 2017 #36
He gave cover to his colleagues, too. Mz Pip Jul 2017 #37

a kennedy

(29,615 posts)
31. Yes....yes....how could McCain ever forgive what tRump said about him.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 06:05 AM
Jul 2017

he's such a vile man, and happy John voted for the American people he defended.

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
12. And "He's been losing so long he doesn't know how to win anymore"
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:57 AM
Jul 2017

Another Trump stab that McCain must've carried around a while, and let go of tonight.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
13. The way he walked up& dramatically turned his thumb down
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 03:03 AM
Jul 2017

was like a strong, angry, thumbs down to DT.
Payback time.
DT has been a suck up for the last two weeks & now he can go back to being his heartless sociopathic self.

Lots of put downs for the Orange Pres this week.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
39. Yes! How are the religious right handling Mucci? He's
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 06:53 PM
Jul 2017

everything they are supposed to hate.
I even think he's digusting and so did his wife.

 

bagelsforbreakfast

(1,427 posts)
8. No one, least of all Trump, expected McCain to step to be an American Hero..,
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:35 AM
Jul 2017

I didn't - but I'm greatful he did.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
14. Part of it might have been that he had the opportunity to
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 03:05 AM
Jul 2017

Be the killer vote. If it hadn't been so close, who knows.

The brain cancer & the awareness that his days, and votes, are numbered, must play some part.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
17. What you do as you face death...truth .
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 03:16 AM
Jul 2017

In the Rules of Evidence, most statements are barred by heresay rules. One of the exceptions to the heresay rules is is a statement at death. More reliable.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
22. Drama queen? Giving two scoops a chance to
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 05:07 AM
Jul 2017

humiliate himself, then let the hammer drop

Schwing!!!!

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
38. I though a lot about that. Sort of looks like he wanted
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 06:50 PM
Jul 2017

to kick someone in the teeth bigtime. He must have been sure that Murkowski andCollins woud stick w him.

Logically seaing,why would he ever let it come to te floor...more dramatic, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

barbtries

(28,769 posts)
9. i guess i'm getting cynical,
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 02:38 AM
Jul 2017

but i read his facebook the other day. every single comment was negative. what i think is the people spoke to him and convinced him that had he voted yes, his good name would be tainted forever, and he's running out of time to salvage it.

as Kamala Harris said, this is a victory for the people.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
23. That sounds more like the "maverick" we're
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 05:12 AM
Jul 2017

accustomed to

Credit to him, tho

Would be cool tho if the FB contumely combined w/what must be an infinite loathing of DT, were his true motives

barbtries

(28,769 posts)
29. twitter does
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 05:56 AM
Jul 2017

but he doesn't read them, his staff does not brief him on them, and there are substantial numbers of adoring cultists playing online scaramuccis for him.

but i do it anyway. for myself i guess...like calling my senators here in NC.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
28. Yep
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 05:50 AM
Jul 2017

He does love that hero status.
Truthfully I don't care why he voted this down - I'm just delighted that he did.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
30. Same here
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 06:02 AM
Jul 2017

Just happy for the LIFE that will be extended because of his inexplicable act is human decency

Hope u have Adblock

zz-la

(224 posts)
16. McCain had nothing to lose
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 03:12 AM
Jul 2017

He finally voted his conscience. Funny how he finally saw the light, given his current health predicament.

Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
18. Because in the battle of the Good vs. Evil, the Jedi vs. the Dark side, the force for Good managed
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 03:37 AM
Jul 2017

...to pull him over for a moment.

I believe that humans and our time on earth is an epic battle of good vs. evil. And sometimes there are those that are completely lost and those that fight everyday for good and the people in between who get pulled in either direction by the forces and have to make a choice.

Yesterday we saw Good pull over McCain...for at least a day for us all to live another day.

It doesn't change my opinion of McCain one bit. It only convinces me all the more that the Good must continue the fight and not retreat and realize that the battle is not over.

If it was Ted Kennedy's soul whispering into McCain's ear through his dreams last night, so be it. Good prevailed for this one.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
24. Excellent! This and one other post moistened
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 05:15 AM
Jul 2017

my eyes

Along with the fact that MILLIONS of people won't lose their health care

BumRushDaShow

(128,441 posts)
27. Interestingly enough I sensed the same yesterday
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 05:43 AM
Jul 2017

before this final vote - mainly while they were all debating, where you had the most extreme cold-hearted determined to "win" at all costs because of their abject blind hatred of the man who shepherded the ACA into existence. The people who would be negatively impacted were objectified, making it easy for them to be discarded.

Sadly, there will always be that "struggle" between good and evil but I do know that a large chunk of both the House and Senate are populated with folks elected from 2010 and later, on the platform that was strictly anti-ACA. I.e., "repeal Obamacare" was their meal ticket into elected office and that is their raison d'etre.

duncang

(1,907 posts)
33. My cynical mind sees other possibilities
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 06:08 AM
Jul 2017

You have the r's who really believe in serving up shit burgers with shit on the side. You have those who just want the shit burgers. You have the ones who know their mega donors want shit burgers for all "lower" class people. You have those who know if they serve shit burgers they are so close on keeping their seats they have to be promised something to wash the shit burger down. You have the ones who are kind of against the shit burgers having too much shit, but will vote for it anyway because they will be primaried. You have the ones who know it's a shit burger, but don't want to vote against it because they won't be one of the cool kids who vote for shit burgers.

In the end on the house side they passed out enough root beer. Also they told the "center" r's that it wouldn't pass as is anyways so they barely got the votes.

In the senate not quite enough root beer and the "center" r's had to figure out who would be the no. Knowing the right media would go after them. It was just a case of who votes against shit burgers. Center r's just had to convince that one more no vote. mccain was the one. Thinking he won't be running next time and could take a hit.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
34. mccain also knows what liars dominate the GOP in the hOuse, starting with Paul Ryan
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 06:40 AM
Jul 2017

the surprise is Sen Heller of Nevada that appears to want to find a new job after he loses in 2018 to a democrat. I am sure 2 or 3 more democratic wins are now possible based on conservative votes on repeal/replace of ACA with having no plan in place.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
36. Multi-faceted, IMO. Conscience? Maybe, but he was not pro-ACA; he was pro-Senate-Rules. Legacy?
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 09:19 AM
Jul 2017

Quite possibly. The ensuing condemnation of his "YES" surely did not escape his notice, for how he would be remembered.

Grandstanding? He WAS a Fly-Boy, after all!

Revenge on his inferior, a coward who now serves as C-I-C, who insulted McCain's service then and insults all the military now?

I'LL TAKE "REVENGE," ALEX, FOR ALL THE BORSCHT IN RUSSIA.


Mz Pip

(27,430 posts)
37. He gave cover to his colleagues, too.
Fri Jul 28, 2017, 09:27 AM
Jul 2017

The rest of the Republicans would have paid dearly at the polls if they had voted no. McCain's not running again so all the rest of them can go home and say at least they tried.

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