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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, who is going to be the Democratic presidential candidate in 2020?
Time is slipping by. Who will it be?
Blanks
(4,835 posts)Anyone that distinguishes themselves this early, we will be tired of by then.
We need to get through 2018. I just hope there are only a handful of candidates in the primaries.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)If nominated, I will not run.
If elected, I will not serve.
Not being born here, I can state with confidence that the above two statements are correct.
GeoWilliam750
(2,522 posts)William Tecumseh Sherman?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)unblock
(52,196 posts)"I hereby state, and mean all that I say, that I never have been and never will be a candidate for President; that if nominated by either party, I should peremptorily decline; and even if unanimously elected I should decline to serve."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shermanesque_statement
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)On my part, I do recognize that there might be some few, a very few of course, who would not recognize my qualifications.
unblock
(52,196 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)#BetterThanTrump
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)My number one plank on the platform would be campaign finance reform. No more campaign donations, Super PACs, Dark Money, or Revolving Doors! Publicly Funded Elections Baby!
The rest in no particular order:
Number Two: Climate Change;
Number Three: Bust up the banking and media oligarchies and require the truth in news and talk radio;
Number Four: Criminal Justice reform and no more private prisons;
Number Five: Universal Health Care;
Number Six: Education;
Number Seven: Legalize all drugs (Rehab is free thanks to #5);
Number Eight: The Budget, cut military waste and spending, beef up safety net;
Number Nine: Tax Reform, tax the shite out of the 1% since they have received all gains for 40 years;
Number Ten: Term limits on elected officials - 2 terms for Senators and 5 for House members.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)Any Democrat will be vastly better than any Republican.
Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)byronius
(7,394 posts)The cranky old hypercompetent dude himself. I respect his service.
IndieRick
(53 posts)As a resident of the state of California I cannot support Brown for President. While he will probably not place his hat in the ring he has demonstrated a penchant for supporting legislation I am strongly against; the high speed rail to nowhere and the destruction of one of our greatest natural resources, the SF Bay Delta by building those tunnels .Farmers all the way to Sacramento will be decimated by the increasing salinity of our major rivers and the death knell for salmon will be rung.
Further ,spending tens of billions for a train ride from Sacramento to Bakersfield is hugely wasteful when so many important items go begging for funding.
I strongly support Harris or Warren, and hope to see some emerging democrats stepping up between now and that election. I must add that whether Democrat or Green, even Indie like myself, we cannot afford to sit back and wait for 2020, the coming midterms are vitally important to help Trump make his presidency impotent.
oasis
(49,376 posts)Which city is "nowhere"?
IndieRick
(53 posts)Seriously, consider how many riders or commuters there are who need to go from Sac to either Fresno or Bakersfield even on an infrequent basis. I could make an argument for high speed rail between Sac. SF, La and San Diego, but with the price tag so astronomical, with the needs of California so great, that money can be far better spent.
No insult to either Sacramento ( where I currently type this article, my fiance being a resident ) or Bakersfield, honest.
oasis
(49,376 posts)That tune was instantly brought to mind when I read your initial post.
My first visit to Bakersfield was in the early 50's. Our relatives there had an outhouse Returned to Bakersfield 20 years later w/spouse and stayed at a Holiday Inn, although relatives had indoor plumbing by then
Haven't been back since.
I don't believe you meant any harm with the "train to nowhere" comment, but I think I know where you are coming from about the cost to benefit.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)somewhere because of the rail. And if you are green...you want to get cars off the road. I would support Brown in a heartbeat, he has done a great job in California.
IndieRick
(53 posts)and you are certainly entitled to yours
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)" you are certainly entitled to yours..."
Has anyone argued otherwise?
IndieRick
(53 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 9, 2017, 11:39 AM - Edit history (1)
This is the second time you have chosen to respond with nothing. It seems obvious you are some lonely, bored and sophomoric loser.
Your sobriquet,LanternWaste, implies ashes. It is , therefore ,rather appropriate that you have, thus far, made an ash of yourself.
Does this place have a blocking option?
onecaliberal
(32,826 posts)That is just wow... imo that is a republican talking point.
IndieRick
(53 posts)There are a myriad of problems facing , not only California, not only the US , but the world. When seeking solutions one must be conscious, not only of the immediacy of these multiple dangers but of the ability to resolve them.
The cost of high speed rail, when considering how much assistance our fellow citizens require, how many live without health care, without hope without a future seems, frankly a good idea whose time has not yet come.
The project's cost and scope have long been a source of controversy. The Authority has estimated the project's year-of-expenditure cost at $68.4 billion (2012 estimate).
For that kind of money, considering that there may very well be not only cost overruns and enormous ones at that, but also that trains from Sacramento to Bakersfield will very likely run empty, adding, not subtracting, to our pollution debt. Surely schools , infrastructure, health care and all the other problems needing, and desperately so, solution should not take a back seat to what is, in my opinion, a glamorous fraud, at least for the present.
One last word, regarding your tone. I offer my opinion and you offer a knee jerk accusatory and , in my opinion, quite sophomoric accusation. If you cannot do better in this, or any discussion, then you just embarrass yourself and add nothing helpful to the discussion, certainly not to any solutions. My sobriquet might be a clue as to my political position, at least to those who consider first and post second.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Knee jerk reactions like "rail to nowhere" lacking any objective evidence to support it? The important thing is you hold others to standards you yourself ignore...
IndieRick
(53 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 9, 2017, 11:40 AM - Edit history (1)
A rail line from Sacramento to Bakersfield is exactly as I described it. Further the phrase is not my own but is one always associated with reportage of the proposal.
This is a boondoggle designed only to enrich the few at the expense of the many, yet again. No mass transit agency depending on profit would build a line which is very likely to run empty in both directions. No , instead the enormity of the cost of cnstruction is the attraction here, not the mythic necessity of going 120 mph to Bakersfield.
The real needs for a high speed rail line , one running between Sacramento and San Diego is impossible due to the enormous cost of acquiring the necessary rights of way.
You post a sophomoric attack devoid of any of the facts you criticize my own effort for lacking. How droll. I trust you are not typical of posters on this forum.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)lastlib
(23,213 posts)Cicada
(4,533 posts)She needs to show how smart and well-informed she is. I think the extreme beauty of her face and smile make people expect her to be a bit of a light weight. With looks like that she probable didn't have to be all that talented. But Hillary and Schumer wanted her to replace Hillary as Senator because they had worked with her and knew that she is deep.
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)Golden Raisin
(4,608 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)but I think he could legitimately spin that as a positive, something that many could relate to.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,319 posts)byronius
(7,394 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)Absolutely!
Joe Kennedy, III !!!
book_worm
(15,951 posts)monmouth4
(9,694 posts)byronius
(7,394 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)little early to be worried about this.
onenote
(42,694 posts)But for the right price I'll tell you who is going to win the Super Bowl in 2019.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Seriously, right now my top picks are Newsom, Harris, Inslee, Warren
then Buttigeig, Franken, Booker, Gillibrand, etc.
Really, I think more than ever we need someone from the West Coast. (see Newsom, Harris, Inslee)
West Coast Democrats tend to have a better handle on the internet, technology, 1st and 4th amendment issues, the drug war, etc.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I want a big field and a vigorous debate, that's what I want.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)great (or at least OK) with the ultimate choice. Sorry I missed the sarcasm. I have seen some post what you did seriously.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)He would bring a Biden-like aura of likability to the ticket. Funny and disarming, if he wants to. Intelligent and razor-sharp, if he wants to.
Plus he had a minor role in "Trading Places".
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I love Al, but I don't think he wants it. That could always change, of course.
His last book is great, too. I'm about 2/3 of the way through it.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Nobody stands out as logical and likely. Our bench is historically weak right now, especially high profile in the ideal age range.
Put it this way: If anybody had an idea there would be multiple threads on this topic every day with dozens and dozens of heated replies. Instead, it's seldom discussed and a blur.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)Joseph Kennedy III...remarkable young man, Corey Booker, Amy Klobuchar,Kirsten, Michelle Obama,John Hickenlooper, Chris Murphy, Andrew Cuomo,Kamala Harris, Patrick Deval,John Dalaney (MD already announced),Steve Bullock, Sherrod Brown,Jerry Brown, Seth Moulton,Al Franken, Jay Inslee, Terry McAuliffe, Gavin Newsom,Tammy Duckworth, Martin O'malley,Mitch Landrieu,Julian Castro,Bill DeBlasio,Patrick Maloney,Howard Dean ( I was a Deaniac!),Eric Garcetti, Adam Schiff,Jay Inslee, Xavier Becerra...there are others as well.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Those are impressive people but none of them are ideally placed by historical standards. Some are too old or young. Others lack charisma. Some are in the House. Many are women and it's foolish to ignore that only one female has ever been nominated. It remains to be seen if we are reluctant to go that route so soon after Hillary's defeat.
I'm admittedly biased toward governors. I wish we 5 or 6 high profile high approval governors lined up, with the winner emerging as nominee.
When I say lack of depth I'm mostly annoyed and concerned that our gubernatorial numbers have slipped so badly recently.
dawg
(10,624 posts)a first-term Senator, or the governor of a backwards Southern state.
BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Adam Schiff.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)The president is but one man. What could Pres. Obama accomplish after losing the House? A better question is what seats do we have to shift in 18 and 20 to take back Congress.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)DFW
(54,349 posts)If we don't have some serious successes in the midterms next year, the next President, if a Democrat (and at this point, I think Bugs Bunny could win), will have a very chilly reception the day after the Inaugural Ball. McTurtle will still be around, and hold his usual meeting to block every initiative the new president proposes. Next time, it will be enough for a Democratic president to propose keeping traffic lights red, yellow and green. The Republicans will say the proposal discriminates against blue and demand a "Jimi Hendrix" amendment.*
That having been said, I think it is the height of folly to do serious speculation as to who will be our nominee in 2020. We do NOT have a weak bench. We have an unpublicized bench that is extremely strong. There is a big difference. In contrast, the Republicans have a very well publicized weak bench. But who took Obama seriously in 2005? For that matter, who takes Trump seriously even now (except as a threat to our survival as a species)?
*Taken from the lyrics to "The Wind Cries Mary"
elleng
(130,865 posts)GaryCnf
(1,399 posts)Our nominee will be the incumbent president in/by 2020 . . . Nancy Pelosi.
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)We have to get NJ and VA over the finish line in 2017 and take every single seat in the House where Clinton and a Republican won. My District is one.
2018 - each Democratic candidate needs to run for their district's very distinct concerns. Our candidate needs room to appeal to Finance, Pharma and Telecom because that is where the small donations that will add up to Big money comes from. The Penneast Pipeline, affiliating with state reps and state senators who want to create a wine/beer license, and an anti Washington D.C. message, and taxes relating to education will work in my district.
Here's how they voted in May on the so called Healthcare Bill:
14 Republican "yes" votes from Clinton-won districts:
John Culberson (TX-7)
Carlos Curbelo (FL-26)
Jeff Denham (CA-10)
Darrell Issa (CA-49)
Steve Knight (CA-25)
Martha McSally (AZ-2)
Erik Paulsen (MN-7)
Dana Rohrabacher (CA-48)
Peter Roskam (IL-6)
Ed Royce (CA-39)
Pete Sessions (TX-32)
David Valdadao (CA-21)
Mimi Walters (CA-45)
Kevin Yoder (KS-3)
9 Republican "no" votes from Clinton-won districts:
Mike Coffman (CO-6)
Barbara Comstock (VA-10)
Ryan Costello (PA-6)
Will Hurd (TX-23)
John Katko (NY-24)
Leonard Lance (NJ-7)
Pat Meehan (PA-7)
Dave Reichert (WA-8)
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (FL-27)
Ask instead - who is going to run in these districts.
We have three cream of the crop candidates in the NJ 7th.
If you have a few dollars - Peter Jacob could use it. This young man is a good one. Smart, compassionate, kind, and extremely intelligent. He came from nowhere last year with very little money or name recognition and received more votes than anyone else who has run against Lance.
Pssst - he will vote to impeach.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)answer is show up in November, vote for any democrat on the ballot, period.
But between now and then, yes, many who need our support.
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,715 posts)I have no opinion on him but it is a new name.
Article at Politico.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/28/seth-moulton-congressman-run-president-2020-profile-215428
Moulton has three degrees from Harvard, and he did four difficult, decorated tours as a Marine in Iraq. But hes still a neophyte in the House of Representatives, and in politics. This is the first office of any kind hes ever held. In the wake, though, of last falls terrain-altering election, Ferson detected an opening. This, he told me, is a moment in time where he is the exact right person to run for president.
This conversationreported here for the first timeis precisely the type of talk thats currently causing disgusted eye-rolling among significantly more tenured Democrats in Massachusetts and Washington. They dismiss Moulton, albeit never for attribution, as gratingly ambitious, a grandstanding backbencher who has advocated for the ouster of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi to make way for new, younger standard-bearerslike himself. They see Moultons message of country over party as not so much admirable as annoying. Its the supercilious, sanctimonious Oh, golly gee, one longtime political observer of his district said of Moultons assertions of selflessness. Some of the opinions on Capitol Hill are even more scathing. I dont think Ive seen a more opportunistic, duplicitous person serving in the House, said a senior Democratic aide, blasting Moulton as somebody who talks bigger than he plays and who pillories Pelosi while almost always voting the same way. He doesnt do anything around here, the aide said. Other members who are more supportive are reluctant to say so publiclycautious about being seen as giving him a bear hug, as one Hill staffer put it, while hes knifing the leader.
Every politician, of course, has enemies. But its Moultons allies who make him atypicalmilitary leaders like David Petraeus and Stanley McChrystal, experienced political minds like David Gergen. These people look at Moulton and see the face of the future of the Democratic Party, a social progressive whos fiscally more moderate. They see somebody who could chip away at the intractable ideological conflict that is crippling this country and appeal to the sorts of voters who have turned away from the party. And these people dont say this because of Moultons legislative accomplishments, which to this point are limited. They dont say it because he has compared the president to Hitler and chastised him as a serial liar and a draft dodger, which does not make him unusual as a Democrat. They dont even say it because of his position on Pelosi, which does. What excites his supporters the most is what Moulton did before he got to Washingtonthe four tours in Iraq over parts of five years, the two medals of valor, the special counterinsurgency team he served on that reported directly to Petraeus. In Moulton, they see the antithesis of Trumpa recipient of five Vietnam War draft deferments, considered by many to be the least service-oriented president ever.
***Rest of article at above link. ***
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)That resume would have won last year. I'm certain of it. But that's only if the guy attached to it is strong and sharp enough to endure a campaign and all the Trump and Koch-caliber attacks.
I don't know much about him. Sounds like he would face obstacles among traditional party bosses in the early going. But there are enough months and debates to overcome that nowadays.
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)Flame away.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)Even a politician.
Expecting Rain
(811 posts)He has the bio, the brains, and the personality to win.
The Democrats brightest star to win in 2020.
He could use a wife.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)briv1016
(1,570 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)HeartachesNhangovers
(814 posts)I don't think she could even win state-wide office in California. I don't think she's ever run outside her district.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)Is an exception being made now for one specific "old man"?
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)nycbos
(6,034 posts)Next year we have House, Senate, Governors and State House elections.
We need to focus on turnout, turnout, turnout.
Winning local and state house elections builds a pipeline of candidates. We have to focus of winning those. The party has ignored them for too long.
Winning these elections will put us in a stronger position in 2020.
Winning the 2005 VA Governor election and the 2006 midterms help set up Obama's win in 2008.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)I like Klobuchar as his running mate.
old guy
(3,283 posts)EllieBC
(3,013 posts)And hard to get people to understand that voting is important.
mvd
(65,173 posts)2020 is a long time away in politics. I would proudly vote for Sanders or Warren. Some emerging possibilities are Kamala Harris (would like to see her beef up her progressive credentials), Franken (after the reality show nightmare of Trump, his SNL days may actually help), Inslee. Hope new ones come into play.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)who was there at Standing Rock? Not being rhetorical. Really, who?
Be a hero NOW
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)President Harris or President Sanders?
stevil
(1,537 posts)//ducks thrown tomatoes//
Freddie
(9,259 posts)He will most likely win re-election next year and will be half through his term-limited 2nd term in 2020. He's very popular here, an actual successful and ethical businessperson who's been a level-headed leader. I think he will be 70-ish by then (he's older than he looks) so he can be a VP in the Joe Biden "elder statesman" mold. Plus we're stuck with the EC and this would win PA.