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Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts) Sun Jul 30, 2017, 09:43 AM Jul 2017

Can Donald pardon himself for past-present-future rapes and murders?

Yay, that even if true that he can and he may pardon himself in Federal cases, he cannot pardon himself or anyone in STATES' COURTS!

Plus it be relevant to Amendment 25th and Impeachment.

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Can Donald pardon himself for past-present-future rapes and murders? (Original Post) Madam45for2923 Jul 2017 OP

HE CANNOT PARDON IN STATES' COURTS!! Madam45for2923 Jul 2017 #1

Schneiderman has Mr. RICO on his side, and Trumpy knows it. Eyeball_Kid Jul 2017 #6

A freaking men!!! Madam45for2923 Jul 2017 #7

Not future dalton99a Jul 2017 #2

No, Trump cant pardon himself. The Constitution tells us so. Louis1895 Jul 2017 #3

I've been thinking... tazkcmo Jul 2017 #4

He can't even pardon himself if he farts in an elevator Orrex Jul 2017 #5

Oh wow!!! LOL! Madam45for2923 Jul 2017 #8

He would have to be convicted and admit guilt I believe to be pardoned. rickford66 Jul 2017 #9

I understand pardons can be before any convictions. Madam45for2923 Jul 2017 #10

You're correct. A crime had to be know to have been committed for amnesty. rickford66 Jul 2017 #11

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)

1. HE CANNOT PARDON IN STATES' COURTS!!

Reply to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Jul 30, 2017, 09:44 AM

Jul 2017

WOOHOO!

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)

6. Schneiderman has Mr. RICO on his side, and Trumpy knows it.

Reply to Madam45for2923 (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 30, 2017, 10:41 AM

Jul 2017

A RICO conviction in NY means that Trumpy loses everything. Couldn't happen to a more deserving asshole.

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)

7. A freaking men!!!

Reply to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 30, 2017, 12:24 PM

Jul 2017

Eyeball_Kid
6. Schneiderman has Mr. RICO on his side, and Trumpy knows it.

A RICO conviction in NY means that Trumpy loses everything. Couldn't happen to a more deserving asshole.

dalton99a

(81,404 posts)

2. Not future

Reply to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Jul 30, 2017, 09:45 AM

Jul 2017

Louis1895

(768 posts)

3. No, Trump cant pardon himself. The Constitution tells us so.

Reply to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Jul 30, 2017, 09:46 AM

Jul 2017

No, Trump can’t pardon himself. The Constitution tells us so.

Can a president pardon himself? Four days before Richard Nixon resigned, his own Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel opined no, citing “the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case.”

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)

4. I've been thinking...

Reply to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Jul 30, 2017, 10:09 AM

Jul 2017

...and yes, it happens if rarely. Seriously, I've been thinking how Mueller can ensure that prosecution of Shit Gibbon for what ever crimes Mueller uncovers can be pursued and referring the case(s) to states' AG's seems to me a possible strategy. Anybody with a more intimate knowledge of our justice system care to chime in on this?

Orrex

(63,172 posts)

5. He can't even pardon himself if he farts in an elevator

Reply to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Jul 30, 2017, 10:11 AM

Jul 2017

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)

8. Oh wow!!! LOL!

Reply to Orrex (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 30, 2017, 12:25 PM

Jul 2017

rickford66

(5,521 posts)

9. He would have to be convicted and admit guilt I believe to be pardoned.

Reply to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Jul 30, 2017, 03:55 PM

Jul 2017

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)

10. I understand pardons can be before any convictions.

Reply to rickford66 (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 30, 2017, 09:00 PM

Jul 2017

rickford66

(5,521 posts)

11. You're correct. A crime had to be know to have been committed for amnesty.

Reply to Madam45for2923 (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 30, 2017, 10:48 PM

Jul 2017

The power to pardon is a presidential act authorized by Article II, Section 2, of the U.S. Constitution. With this power, a President can remove a conviction, commute a sentence, or grant amnesty from future conviction for a given crime.

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Is amnesty considered a pardon then ?

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