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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen do WE get to say "We Told You So" to the 38%? Can they be changed?
I am far from being a Nance Greggs or any of the other outstanding writers on this site.
But, I'd like to take a shot at making some observations and doing some spleen venting.
Aaaaaaahhhhh!!!!
Now, that I've finally gone thru all of the stages of grief since November, I feel like that I internally (not externally yet in fear that the guys in white coats might round me up) scream for our nation everyday.
Still, I keep waiting and hoping that the latest outrage of the day will be the tipping point.
The bridge too far.
The thing that Trumps most ardent and/ or ignorant zombies can no longer defend.
And, then they do. Somehow, they still do.
So, I am taking a step back and looking thru their eyes. As much as that is possible for an old yellow dog Democrat who is probably further to the left of most people in his sphere of reference.
The easiest group to understand is the hateful dividers.
They hate anything that is not a white Christian. And, at that , it must be the right type of Christian.
Episcopalians Presbyterians, Catholics are fake and they don't count.
They have very few sources of news. Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Mark Levine, etc.
That list once included Glenn Beck. But, he turned on Trump and they then dumped Beck.
To these people, Trump has been sent and ordained by God.
Evangelical leaders have said so.
The adultery, foul mouthing, pussy grabbing, etc. matters not.
Neither does Trump not stepping foot in a church more than three times in 30 years.
Two Corinthians. I ain't even the religious type and I done knower that ain't no how right.
And what about Trump never saying that he has been "saved" and baptized and accepted Jesus Christ as his personal savior that this group usually insists on to give their approval.
Which, incidentally, lifelong Christian and avowed Methodist Hillary Clinton has publically affirmed her Christianity. Fake news. Secret lesbian. Abortion loving baby killer, etc. Can't be Christian.
The Evangelicals only take their marching orders from the pulpits.
The pulpits love that Trump has said they can openly preach politics and endorse during church hours and sermons with no tax repercussions.
They love that he gives lip service to the abortion issue even though he really could care less and wouldn't hesitate to force any woman that he knocked up into having one.
Cheating on two wives didn't matter. That is so 1990's.
And, besides , Trump now cares who uses what bathrooms. Of course people, he doesn't. But, the Evangelicals and their breeds and broods can raise money off of the issue and get the state of North Carolina to run interference on the issue with the SCOTUS.
So, I get why this type of Republican and/or Trumper (which aren't always one in the same) keep supporting him. But, there are not enuf of them to come up with the stagnant 38 or so % of favorables. So, who are the others?
To me, this is the group of non-deplorably social but malignantly greedy self interested.
They are your traditional don't tax me, government drowned in a bathtub, makers vs takers Paul Ryan types.
They have shown that power is all that matters.
Making a deal with someone that they know is personally disgusting still beats the alternative.
And, to them, that alternative is the anti capitalist, soak the rich, give everything away to the lazy, non productive element of society.
The gasp - Democrats.
To them there is nothing worse or to be more reviled.
Yes, Trump is crude, lewd, and socially unacceptable.
But, at least he's no longer a Democrat.
And, about that.
When he does do or say something outrageous, listen to the Joe Scarborough types say that we must all remember that he was a Democrat before 2011. Before he found a niche to get attention on a national level (other than just a so called reality show) and hated Obama and went birth certificate searching.
But, once again, the most important thing to this group is the small government agenda.
If Trump would just stop tweeting and stop ad libbing off of his Ayn Rand crafted TelePrompTer speeches, everything would be great.
Repubs own all branches of government after McConnells successful SCOTUS coup. I still don't understand why Obama didn't recess appoint Garland. That mistake will haunt us for a generation.
So, these "traditional" don't tax me Repubs and the aforementioned religious group make up almost all of that 38% of Trumps remaining supporters while the rest of us shake our heads in disbelief.
What would would it take to budge either?
Taking away what they most cherish.
The first group values, amongst all, The us vs them ideal that they are good and Godly and that those that oppose them are not. Trump has said that him actually killing someone wouldn't change that groups opinion of him. And he's probably right.
And the moneychangers? What would bring them out of their Temples of gold?
Their AUTHORITY figures must be changed.
What would make the Pat Robertson types and the Rupert Murdoch types both turn on Trump?
Is there anything?
I leave that up to brighter and more insightful minds than mine.
Any thoughts, fellow travelers?
samnsara
(17,554 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,843 posts)Sometimes, I wonder.
uponit7771
(90,193 posts)... and the Conservative Entertainment Complex feeding them bullshit news 24/7.
People who voted for Benedict Donald are way too vested in being right about their votes, no one wants to be a bad judge of character.
Funtatlaguy
(10,843 posts)Excellent.
Sums it up.
They are not news and they are not information.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Seriously.
Funtatlaguy
(10,843 posts)dropping the investigations into Hillarys emails and Benghazi.
I just smirked and said that we would have to agree to disagree.
I then just walked away.
I can't waste my time talking to stupid or crazy people anymore. Life is too short.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And still perceive Hillary as some sort of threat to their way of life.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Would be if Trump suddenly turned black.
Funtatlaguy
(10,843 posts)Off topic: I love that show.
Stuart G
(38,328 posts)His numbers will go down to about 30 percent, maybe 28 ...maybe 31..maybe as low as 25...But when it evens out..for the long term..those ..true believers cannot be changed. No matter what happens, it wasn't Trump's fault..but the media, but the democrats, but it was the republican party....not Trump's fault..
There are true believers..always...they still believe in Bush Jr. even though he was responsible for the death of tens of thousands...The true believers will always be there for Trump. Those "true believers" are there for Putin, and every dictator ever...The only way they will leave..if Trump does something so obviously wrong........
....................like hitting his wife in front of the cameras....really smacking her, in her face..hard..so she starts to blead................then...it will get down to 10 - 15 percent...following..way down from the 25 per cent floor that I mentioned in the first paragraph....but only something like that will do it
In my opinion..........
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)supporting the LGBT community and suddenly deciding to improve the ACA would do more damage to his numbers than if a video of him raping a 12 year old was released.
Funtatlaguy
(10,843 posts)who was peeing on.....I can't even finish that sentence without bleaching my keyboard.
We truly live in the Twilight Zone.
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)I think they will find some way to justify ignoring evil acts as long as he continues his campaign of bigotry against minorities.
rickford66
(5,491 posts)That would put into question a real one if it could ever be seen.
Funtatlaguy
(10,843 posts)Didn't Karl used to bring a male prostitute into the White House press room?
bucolic_frolic
(42,478 posts)They are so stupid and rigid