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AllyCat

(16,145 posts) Mon Jul 31, 2017, 02:10 PM Jul 2017

CNBC just now reporting "Can Senate use the nuclear option to repeal ACA?"

Isn't what they actually did...the nuclear option? No debate, closed doors, straight vote? And they still failed. How would "the nuclear option" help them?

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CNBC just now reporting "Can Senate use the nuclear option to repeal ACA?" (Original Post) AllyCat Jul 2017 OP

Exsqueeze me? Zoonart Jul 2017 #1

They probably mean literally threatening to nuke Congress jberryhill Jul 2017 #2

Duh! Mme. Defarge Jul 2017 #4

OOhhhhhh. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #3

It would allow for different types of repeal to pass dsc Jul 2017 #5

Answer: the nuclear option would allow them to do the entire bill... brooklynite Jul 2017 #6

they would still need 50 votes, but would have more freedom to craft a bill they can pass unblock Jul 2017 #7

Zoonart

(11,832 posts)

1. Exsqueeze me?

Reply to AllyCat (Original post)

Mon Jul 31, 2017, 02:12 PM

Jul 2017

Isn't the nuclear option 50 votes? Which they didn't get? Is there another nuclear option?

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)

2. They probably mean literally threatening to nuke Congress

Reply to AllyCat (Original post)

Mon Jul 31, 2017, 02:15 PM

Jul 2017

Mme. Defarge

(8,012 posts)

4. Duh!

Reply to jberryhill (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 31, 2017, 02:26 PM

Jul 2017

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)

3. OOhhhhhh.

Reply to AllyCat (Original post)

Mon Jul 31, 2017, 02:22 PM

Jul 2017

They are talking about dispensing with 'budget reconciliation' which comes under 50-vote rule.

If running it again as a 'budget reconciliation' is a violation of Senate rules, the 'nuclear option' is viable.

dsc

(52,152 posts)

5. It would allow for different types of repeal to pass

Reply to AllyCat (Original post)

Mon Jul 31, 2017, 02:27 PM

Jul 2017

Reconciliation is very technical and got rid of things they wanted in the bill.

brooklynite

(94,352 posts)

6. Answer: the nuclear option would allow them to do the entire bill...

Reply to AllyCat (Original post)

Mon Jul 31, 2017, 02:29 PM

Jul 2017

Reconciliation gave them a chance to do partial repeal; but only items affecting Federal Budget (e.g. taxes and spending levels) were able to be covered. Items such as regulations affecting the insurance industry were not eligible.

unblock

(52,118 posts)

7. they would still need 50 votes, but would have more freedom to craft a bill they can pass

Reply to AllyCat (Original post)

Mon Jul 31, 2017, 02:31 PM

Jul 2017

they had to do certain things in the bill in order to qualify as a "reconciliation" bill and thus need only 51 votes under existing rules.

if they go nuclear, then they would need only 51 votes for *any* bill, not just reconciliation bills.

that means they could, for instance, cut taxes but keep a lot of subsidies in place -- something they couldn't do under reconciliation rules.

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