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UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 07:11 PM Jul 2017

FBI Horrified As Spy Says Russia Has Been Supporting And Cultivating Trump For Years

FBI Horrified As Spy Says Russia Has Been Supporting And Cultivating Trump For Years

A "veteran" spy is alleging that Russia is cultivating, supporting and assisting Donald Trump and has been for at least five years. The spy said the response from the FBI was "shock and horror."

The report alleges that Trump and his “inner circle” have accepted a regular “flow of intelligence from the Kremlin and that Russian intelligence claims to have “compromised” Trump on his visits and could “blackmail him”.

http://www.politicususa.com/

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump/

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FBI Horrified As Spy Says Russia Has Been Supporting And Cultivating Trump For Years (Original Post) UCmeNdc Jul 2017 OP
And this was known back in October, the date of the article Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #1
Yep, you gotta, they voted for his cuz he hates black/brown ppl, women, Muslims, the iluvtennis Jul 2017 #8
I don't think he hates them; you can only hate real people. He doesn't think they are. Shrike47 Jul 2017 #9
Trump and his cohorts knew full well how to work the stupid and disgusting segment of voters. RKP5637 Aug 2017 #52
He called himself "Trump" Roy Rolling Aug 2017 #56
"I don't want no guberment touching my Medicare!" n/t RKP5637 Aug 2017 #58
We have a traitor in the WH. a PINO onit2day Jul 2017 #25
I was thinking the same thing. C Moon Aug 2017 #75
the racists listen to talk radio and the russians know that and that's why certainot Aug 2017 #81
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Jul 2017 #2
Trump a Russian "friend" for years. rockfordfile Jul 2017 #3
It's obvious to anyone who sees Trump and Putin together. Girard442 Jul 2017 #4
Melania loves him too CountAllVotes Jul 2017 #31
Wouldn't be surprised if the Russians turned Melania years ago, before she even met tRump. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #33
Melania may be the handler Not Ruth Aug 2017 #60
i've thought from the beginning AmandaRuth Aug 2017 #64
I, too, have felt from day one that she was "given" to him. Another of his "properties". southerncrone Aug 2017 #89
Yes. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2017 #76
that would make a good movie. barbtries Aug 2017 #62
My memory is a bit hazy canetoad Jul 2017 #5
Obama mocked him Sophiegirl Jul 2017 #10
Thank you canetoad Jul 2017 #11
Trump started his birther nonsense in March of that year TexasBushwhacker Jul 2017 #14
Loved that! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2017 #34
Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Jul 2017 #6
He's always been desperate to be in ANYONE'S inner circle. Beartracks Aug 2017 #79
yup. so what are we going to do about it? NRaleighLiberal Jul 2017 #7
What are repukes going to do about this? superpatriotman Jul 2017 #16
trumps net worth is bluestarone Jul 2017 #12
Actually, he's in the "red." dchill Jul 2017 #17
Well, that looks like a subtraction problem to me and there AllyCat Aug 2017 #38
In the red.... MontanaMama Aug 2017 #85
Thanks! dchill Aug 2017 #88
Today's republicans: "Russia is our friend". keithbvadu2 Jul 2017 #13
"If you don't like the U.S, why don't you move to Russia!" VOX Aug 2017 #48
How deep does this really go? Maggiemayhem Jul 2017 #15
Welcome to DU, Maggiemayhem! calimary Jul 2017 #22
The right, and the counter-left. LisaM Aug 2017 #42
Yep, exactly right ProfessorPlum Aug 2017 #44
45 is not their only asset on DC Cosmocat Aug 2017 #45
This is my suspicion also lunatica Aug 2017 #71
the move to embrace Putin NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #78
Welcome, Maggiemayhem! southerncrone Aug 2017 #90
This rabbit hole must be very deep. kyburbonkid Jul 2017 #18
Welcome to DU, kyburbonkid! calimary Jul 2017 #23
The Steele Dossier SonofDonald Jul 2017 #19
Trump owned by Putin.................nothing new Angry Dragon Jul 2017 #20
Laundering money for the Russian mob will get you in these types of situations. 6000eliot Jul 2017 #21
His 1990s financial crisis led him to alternate sources of funding for his failing businesses. John1956PA Aug 2017 #50
and this is the linchpin azureblue Aug 2017 #82
So is this a prelude to this story coming back front and center. Grammy23 Jul 2017 #24
Did anyone even click on the links? former9thward Jul 2017 #26
its mother jones and david corn. drray23 Jul 2017 #28
No sources. former9thward Aug 2017 #68
sooo, mother jones is fake news? reallllly? based on what, exactly? niyad Aug 2017 #65
There are no sources in the story whatsoever. former9thward Aug 2017 #67
nice try dear, but the act is getting old and tired. niyad Aug 2017 #69
Ignore is your friend. former9thward Aug 2017 #72
and miss all the deathless prose and penetrating insight? niyad Aug 2017 #73
Don't forget the self righteous indignation SonofDonald Aug 2017 #83
as do many of us. and some of us have reallllllly long memories. niyad Aug 2017 #84
thats a ridiculous assertion. drray23 Aug 2017 #74
Watergate had plenty of sources quoted in the Post. former9thward Aug 2017 #77
A Russian spy? SonofDonald Aug 2017 #86
doesn't make sense AlexSFCA Jul 2017 #27
It was a clusterfuck in October LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #36
Well, tblue37 Jul 2017 #29
Uh, this is from last October. progressoid Jul 2017 #30
Yes well, isn't that the point? FakeNoose Aug 2017 #53
I suspect Russia has been supporting him ever since his daddy died. southerncrone Jul 2017 #32
He was laundering money for the Russian mob Cosmocat Aug 2017 #46
This is the 1st reporting (I think) of the Steele dossier yodermon Aug 2017 #35
K&R!!!!!! burrowowl Aug 2017 #37
TRump has been taking Russian mobster money since the 90s. diane in sf Aug 2017 #39
I think the russians requited DONALD TRUMP. Traitor. trueblue2007 Aug 2017 #40
Think? malaise Aug 2017 #47
Has anyone sent them the "NS, Sherlock" Memo yet? Because.....DUH. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #41
They didn't do a very good job. ileus Aug 2017 #43
The KGOP has a long history neohippie Aug 2017 #49
Trump was easy to recruit and the Russians have been working on this for decades Gothmog Aug 2017 #51
People should ask if the birther BS was Russian influenced. Renew Deal Aug 2017 #54
And to top this all off the New Sputnik Radio in Washington on 105.5 has this: turbinetree Aug 2017 #55
I wonder if he secretly speaks Russian yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #57
He barely speaks English, so I doubt it. 6000eliot Aug 2017 #66
Steele was the spy, correct? Not Ruth Aug 2017 #59
From the story on Mother Jones SonofDonald Aug 2017 #87
seems like it should not have been such a shock. barbtries Aug 2017 #61
I prefer the term "grooming" Orrex Aug 2017 #63
I bet Putin got "all in" as per Trump after he got the pee pee video of Donald. Botany Aug 2017 #70
and IMO, Trump has been money laundering for them as well. Thomas Hurt Aug 2017 #80

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
1. And this was known back in October, the date of the article
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 07:15 PM
Jul 2017

But the racists dont care, he hates all the right people, it comes down to that.

iluvtennis

(19,852 posts)
8. Yep, you gotta, they voted for his cuz he hates black/brown ppl, women, Muslims, the
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:21 PM
Jul 2017

Disabled, LGBTQ, etc.

Roy Rolling

(6,915 posts)
56. He called himself "Trump"
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 09:56 AM
Aug 2017

But he was really Bizzaro Obama. That's who they wanted---Bizarro Obama.

Like Obamacare. Short-attention-spanners hate Obamacare, they love the ACA.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
81. the racists listen to talk radio and the russians know that and that's why
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 02:08 PM
Aug 2017

they told trump to study talk radio in 2014.

which he did, according to sam nunberg in an interview with gabriel sherman for new york magazine 4/3/16 - he says he listened to thousands of hours of talk radio and reported to trump and suggested it affected their primary strategy.

investigators need to ask about that. and would trump pay for nunberg to listen to thousands of hours of talk radio? maybe nunberg was getting his paycheck somewhere else.

canetoad

(17,152 posts)
11. Thank you
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:46 PM
Jul 2017

And what a glorious piece of video that is!

So he started the birther bullshit well over five years ago. Maybe his outstanding effort caught the Kremlin's eye.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,180 posts)
14. Trump started his birther nonsense in March of that year
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:56 PM
Jul 2017

He kept up with even after the correspondents' dinner.

superpatriotman

(6,247 posts)
16. What are repukes going to do about this?
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:58 PM
Jul 2017

Democrats can scream until they're blue in the face. Until patriots emerge from the opposition nothing will be done about this.

AllyCat

(16,180 posts)
38. Well, that looks like a subtraction problem to me and there
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 01:43 AM
Aug 2017

Are more zeros after the subtraction sign. So it's negative. In the red. Ya know. Maths and stuff.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
48. "If you don't like the U.S, why don't you move to Russia!"
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 08:12 AM
Aug 2017

Nostalgic for the time that RWers would scream that verbatim at us.

Now, Russia is some kind of white person's paradise, where two-dozen people hold most of that same nation's wealth.


Maggiemayhem

(809 posts)
15. How deep does this really go?
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 08:57 PM
Jul 2017

I think it may go beyond the useful idiot. The right started Putin worship in 2013 and 2014. Suddenly, Russia wasn't an enemy, but Putin exemplified strong leadership and the right wing base ate it up and it laid the groundwork for today. Dig deeper. Right wing media just love Putin and they fail to see the big picture. Who else is being paid or just wants to see the US fail?

calimary

(81,220 posts)
22. Welcome to DU, Maggiemayhem!
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 10:26 PM
Jul 2017

I'm sorry, but ANYBODY who sidles up to the Russians - our avowed and rather official and, for decades, widely-acknowledged adversary - does NOT put America first. OR make America great again.

ProfessorPlum

(11,256 posts)
44. Yep, exactly right
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 06:23 AM
Aug 2017

I remember that too, and mark it as the time when the Kremlin hacked the RNC server and got all of their dirty little secrets. The GOP has been in Putin's back pocket ever since.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
45. 45 is not their only asset on DC
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 06:37 AM
Aug 2017

No one is more pathetically obvious than Devin Nunes, but by their actions most of the republican leadership in Congress are either directly working for Russia or seriously compromised.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
78. the move to embrace Putin
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 01:35 PM
Aug 2017

has been going on in the GOP for a while now - remember W kissing up to Putin and calling him "Putey Pute" or something like that? And, saying how he looked into Putin's eyes and saw a good man, or something like that?

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
90. Welcome, Maggiemayhem!
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 08:51 PM
Aug 2017

We would be extremely naïve to think there aren't a number of R's who were financed by Ruskie money, whether they were aware of the money source, or not. And then there's the Ruskie hacking expertise. How virtually the entire country has turned red in just a few yrs, flies in the face of logic, unless you look at how we now vote...on electronic voting machines........

kyburbonkid

(251 posts)
18. This rabbit hole must be very deep.
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 09:33 PM
Jul 2017

It's doesn't surprise me at all that Trump would be a nice fat juicy recruiting target 5 years ago, and with his imagined wealth, and ego, it is very likely he was flipped. But what do we know of the right-wing media? Rush Limballs could have turned, Alex Jones is certainly a russian spy, Same with Hannity and all of the other fruits and nuts of AM radio out there in the wild. I wonder how much speaking money Rush has taken from foreign interests?

calimary

(81,220 posts)
23. Welcome to DU, kyburbonkid!
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 10:29 PM
Jul 2017

I often find myself smirking about all those people who fell for the lies and character assassination of Hillary Clinton. Have they yet faced the fact that a lot of that crap they swallowed whole about her was yet another famous Russian invention? Hey, deplorables - how does it feel to have gotten ROLLED by the Russians? You fell for it face-first. You swallowed it without even bothering to chew. You were nothing but a Russian stooge. A mark. Good Grief did you get used. You must be SO proud...

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
19. The Steele Dossier
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 09:37 PM
Jul 2017

Last edited Tue Aug 1, 2017, 02:34 PM - Edit history (1)

That's what this is about, obvious when read, at least the Mother Jones article is.

John1956PA

(2,654 posts)
50. His 1990s financial crisis led him to alternate sources of funding for his failing businesses.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 08:51 AM
Aug 2017

Banks were wary of loaning him any new money. He accepted the help of foreign backers.



azureblue

(2,146 posts)
82. and this is the linchpin
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 02:16 PM
Aug 2017

Trump's house of cards was but a whisper away from collapsing, and the Russians saw a way to use him to launder money, so they loaned him money. Then set up an office in Trump Towers to launder money from. Egotistical Trump was blind tot eh fact that he was being used and set up, and, when he ran for prez, the Russian mob saw a golden opportunity, so they offered to help Trump win. And Trump, being stupid as they come, and the con man fell for it...

Trump knows that he better get those sanctions lifted. And he knows the Russians won't, as US banks have done in the past, accept a "oh well, bankruptcy, and la de dah, I walk away again." Trump knows you do not walk away from Putin. He knows what will happen, and, as long as Trump is president, the odds of that happening are low. But if he gets thrown out of office, he's fair game. And the Russians will be at his door for a little talk.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
24. So is this a prelude to this story coming back front and center.
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 10:39 PM
Jul 2017

If so expect tRump to get even more antsy as he worries himself into a snit that the Ruskies will spill the beans on him. The Steele dossier could contain enough msterial to make tRump poop his baggy pants. If we think he has been unhinged up to now, just wait until the stuff tRump wants to keep hidden starts oozing out into the news.

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
26. Did anyone even click on the links?
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 10:49 PM
Jul 2017

The first one leads to nothing in the OP.

The second is a story printed 9 months ago with no sources whatsoever. In other words -- fake news.

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
67. There are no sources in the story whatsoever.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 12:54 PM
Aug 2017

If you want to believe stories like that more power to you. You will need it.

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
83. Don't forget the self righteous indignation
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 02:41 PM
Aug 2017

That appears when you don't agree with them, just got to have those sources.

Or it's fake news, kind of like the spew from the Oval Office.

Some are trying to get the truth out.

Some are lying through their teeth.

I know which one is which.

drray23

(7,627 posts)
74. thats a ridiculous assertion.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 01:20 PM
Aug 2017

If journalists had to publish their sources every time, they would not be able to get anybody to trust them with information.
Investigative journalists have relied on confidential sources forever. If it was not for them, we would never have heard about watergate (deep throat rings a bell ?) .

What matters is how reputable a given news source is and whether or not they are likely to produce stuff out of thin air.
David Corn and Mother Jones have been proven more than once to be reliable.

This argument about "no sources" is straight out of the RW fake news disinformation campaign. I am surprised you would fall for it.

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
77. Watergate had plenty of sources quoted in the Post.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 01:33 PM
Aug 2017

Their stories never would have been printed without them. Deep Throat was just one. If you want to believe Trump is a long time Russian spy without any sources, fine. If you want something hard enough then anything will be believed. It is the basis of faith.

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
86. A Russian spy?
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 04:28 PM
Aug 2017

Something I've never believed, trump a Russian spy?, there was a cartoon on here a ways back that had him as a spy posing as a "Jamaican Playboy" that was hilarious.

A Russian cock holster yes, I'll believe that.

No faith needed.

Some of us don't believe everything we read, you take it all with a grain of salt, but when the majority call a duck a duck it may just be a duck.

And I'm all out of salt.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
27. doesn't make sense
Mon Jul 31, 2017, 11:05 PM
Jul 2017

FBI would have arrested him. Comey would have definately known. Either way, putin is extremely intelligent and the way he works is that one wouldn't even realize they are pusuing his interests.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
36. It was a clusterfuck in October
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 12:50 AM
Aug 2017

I think Obama chickened out. Not wanting to leave office amid swirling partisanship abuse. I also think Hillary had a lot to say in the matter. She was freaked out that Mitch's threat to burn down the barn with accusations of partisan fake news as a means to win the election would throw her negatives down the shoot for good. She most likely implored Obama and senior Democrats to keep it zipped and she'd deal with it after she inevitably won. It was the worse case scenerio in that no one did their patriotic duty and raised it as a real threat to national security AND she lost anyways. And Comey waffled about making sure he didn't piss off the GOP. his chosen party.

Democrats and Obama should have gone full throttle, despite the turtle's threats. I'm sure some of them think that now in hindsight. At the very least they would be on the record as being out in front of it early. Even now, I am perplexed that they don't get more fucking angry. Can u IMAGINE what Republicans would be like if this was Hillary winning, and not the popular vote either, but 17 intelligence agencies said she was helped by say..Maduro in Venezuela (a left equivalent of Putin)

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
53. Yes well, isn't that the point?
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 09:21 AM
Aug 2017

The election was in November, and people - including the FBI and the NSA - already knew without a doubt that Trump was a traitor. He was stooge for Putin and yet they didn't call a halt to anything, they let the election proceed.

At the time it was assumed that Trump would lose, but we all know how that worked out.

In retrospect, shouldn't Obama or the FBI have stepped in and called a halt to the election before it took place? There's no precedent for this and it would throw us into a Constitutional nightmare, but maybe that would have been better than what we have now.

You think so?

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
46. He was laundering money for the Russian mob
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 06:41 AM
Aug 2017

Decades ago through his casinos, there are more Russian mobsters and spooks and living in some of his properties than cock roaches.

yodermon

(6,143 posts)
35. This is the 1st reporting (I think) of the Steele dossier
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 12:08 AM
Aug 2017

David corn/mojo broke it. Good historical article. Shocking that everything was allowed to proceed in spite of it.

diane in sf

(3,913 posts)
39. TRump has been taking Russian mobster money since the 90s.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 02:24 AM
Aug 2017

He needed money, the Russians needed a laundry.

malaise

(268,952 posts)
47. Think?
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 07:23 AM
Aug 2017

Didn't lyin' Ryan make them swear to secrecy about this when McCarthy told them the Con is on Putin's payroll?

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
49. The KGOP has a long history
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 08:34 AM
Aug 2017

Russia has been pumping money both legally and illegally into our politics for decades, there are many of the same players in this administration that have been bought and paid to lobby for Russian Oil interests since back then

Take a look at the names mentioned in this article about Jack Abramoff

http://thegopwatchdog.com/the-untold-story-of-jack-abramoffs-russia-collusion/


Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
54. People should ask if the birther BS was Russian influenced.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 09:27 AM
Aug 2017

Because there is a correlation between his Russia interactions and his Obama.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
57. I wonder if he secretly speaks Russian
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 10:24 AM
Aug 2017

It wouldn't surprise me if he turned out to have DEEP Russian ties.

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
87. From the story on Mother Jones
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 04:32 PM
Aug 2017

It sure sounds like it, just doesn't use a name, this was early when it wasn't widely released (the dossier) or in the news as yet.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
70. I bet Putin got "all in" as per Trump after he got the pee pee video of Donald.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 01:01 PM
Aug 2017

Putin had Trump by the balls after that. Kompromat.

In Russian politics, Kompromat (Russian: компромат; IPA: [kəmprɐˈmat] (About this sound listen), short for компрометирующий материал, literally "compromising material" is compromising materials about a politician or other public figure used to create negative publicity, for blackmail, or for ensuring loyalty. Kompromat may be acquired from various security services, or outrightly forged, and then publicized by use of a public relations official. Widespread use of kompromat has been one of the characteristic features of the politics of Russia and other post-Soviet states. From wiki

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