No More NAFTA....Again....

[ProudLib72]

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We are in the NAFTA (worst trade deal ever made) renegotiation process with Mexico & Canada.Both being very difficult,may have to terminate?
7:51 AM - Aug 27, 2017

Yes, Donnie, it's the worst trade deal ever made because you, with all your deal making prowess, were not consulted. However, it has worked for a long time now, and you are going to piss off our neighbors to the north and south.

[MattP]

1. Why is he asking Twitter

[Adrahil]

2. Just read a story how withdrawing from TPP

Really screwed over the agricultural industry. American farmers are losing market share to Canada and Australia in East Asia, espcially Japan.

Killing NAFTA could be ddevastating to them.... and yet they voted for Trump. In the article, one farmer was saying he just thought it was rhetotic. Surprise, numbnuts!

[elehhhhna]

4. Blowing up NAFTA would Destroy our automakers and a lot of other manufacturing

Because of the importation and reimportation of auto parts made in Mexico.

[former9thward]

5. Hillary Clinton was opposed to the TPP

as well as everyone I saw post on DU before the election. What happened?

[Adrahil]

7. I've never been opposed to trade deals...

We live in a global economy. I won't argue the trade deals are perfect. I will argue that the knee-jerk reaction to them is largely in opposition to the evidence, and the opposition of people like Sanders to them is baseless and philosophical, rather than evidence-based. Like most deals, TPP and NAFTA had plusses and minuses. The article I was reading ( in the WaPo) was pointing out the minuses for farmers.

Clinton opposed TPP because she was forced to that positon. Democrats can sometimes be as dogmatic as Republicans.

[Hoyt]

9. Exactly. I mean EXACTLY. Did I say, EXACTLY?

[GulfCoast66]

11. we just kept quite.

For a while here supporting TTP was enough to get you alerted on.

President Obama knew how valuable TTP was and we will rue the day we did not joined. China is now poised to dominate trade going forward and all nations of the pacific are looking to them for leadership.

Nationalist on the left can be as non-sensible as those on the right and it is a good idea to pretty much assume the positions they take are based on emotion not fact.

[Horse with no Name]

6. The farmers voted for trump

But they won't draw the logical conclusion that they created their own demise.

[dalton99a]

3. Just do it already, dumbass

[AlexSFCA]

8. Isn't Bernie of the same view on NAFTA?

by that account is withdrawing from NAFTA and cancelling TPP are 'progressive' moves?

(Non)populist economists say that NAFTA was in fact beneficial to US economy by transforming it from manufacturing to 21 century high tech economy and TPP would do the same. I remember an NPR interview with a rep from Japanese gov't who said that the US should feel very lucky to have been able to develop a post-industrial economy while Japan can't break out of its manufacturing cycle.

[Hoyt]

10. Withdrawing from NAFTA and TPP was not progressive, it was Nationalistic, America First,

xenophobic, stupid (this is a global world), and down right cruel to the rest of the world (particularly poor countries).

America has used more than its fair share of the world's resources, reaped more than it's share of wealth, and then tells the rest of the world to go to hell. Although a much grander scale, it's like some guy coming to a poker game, winning most of the money and then leaving.

It was also my major beef with Sanders.

[GulfCoast66]

12. You win my post if the day award!

Much of the 'progressive' rhetoric I hear is just nationalism dressed in red

[ProudLib72]

13. We've already heard about the Mexican corn boycott

and the tariff on Canadian lumber. That means hundreds of farmers are sitting on a massive corn supply that is going bad and homebuilders are having to battle the rising cost of supplies. I'd like to have some sort of chart that shows how many jobs tRump has created or saved versus how many he has destroyed.

[Jamaal510]

14. +1

[haveahart]

15. Thank you. And it wasn't smart either.