Out of control police officer arrests nurse for refusing to draw blood of unconscious victim.

[Drunken Irishman]

This is insanity. This should not be happening in America. But it is. In Salt Lake City.

Good on her for standing up - but holy shit.

[JDC]

1. pure insanity. Hired to enforce the law, not be above it

[GeoWilliam750]

61. Another scary thing for the police department is...

That every case these three officers have ever been involved in may now be re-opened.

That is no small expense of both money and reputation, and will make future convictions that much more difficult.

The hospital and the nurse gave them a month to make this right, and the police department has not done so it seems.

We always seem to wonder where the good cops are. There seems to have been one cop who never let Ms Wubbels out of his sight or hearing, and without whose body camera, none of this would be known. I only hope that he does not pay a price for having done so.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

2. Holy shit!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

3. Here's a local news piece

Apparently the cop threatened to punish the hospital by sending more transients.

I'd love to see the entire exchange.

Fucking Nazi

https://m.

[progressoid]

29. Wow. What an ASSHOLE.

[GeoWilliam750]

49. What seems to be missed in all of these discussions is that in the extended body cam recordings

The officer constantly kept his body cam on, and focused on the main part of what was going on. He did not turn it off, and he had to know how damning this was. Possibly a "silent whistleblower", or possibly somebody that just wanted to make sure that their actions in all of this were not in question.

One wonders.

[liberalmuse]

59. This is chilling.

Police don't need military gear, just a much better understanding of the law and The Constitution.

[LBM20]

140. One of the worst examples of police judgement I have ever seen. Unbelievable.

I support police in general. They have a very tough job, and most are very good. However, this is just unreal. What the hell was this guy thinking? What he should have done was simple. Get his supervisor there. Wait for hospital administration. If any question after that, go like gangbusters to get a warrant. Then they can do the blood sample. Case law states that unless there is a real urgency, such as a very serious accident with a DWI arrest, they have to get a warrant if the patient is unconscious. If the patient is conscious, the officer reads implied consent. If the suspect doesn't consent, then the officer just puts the person down as a refusal and this becomes evidence that the person was in fact drunk. There was no reason to arrest the nurse. She was just following her understanding of hospital protocol. Totally crazy behavior on the part of the cop. ZERO judgement.

[Shrike47]

4. There's a cop who should be fired forthwith. Shame on him.

[SharonClark]

101. and this one, too....

"Another officer arrives and tells her she should have allowed Payne to collect the samples he asked for. He says she obstructed justice and prevented Payne from doing his job". from WP article.

[lapfog_1]

5. well, there is a $1M+ lawsuit right there.

That officer will be removed from the force... and the city (or county) will pay the hospital and the nurse and their legal team just a whole bunch of money...

and if one of her OTHER patients suffered any exposure to an adverse outcome because of her arrest, they will get to sue as well.

[Granny M]

11. I bloody hope so.

This is insanity.

[Duppers]

12. +100

[diva77]

13. plus, I didn't hear him read her the Miranda warning

[Revanchist]

40. You only have to mirandize before questioning

Otherwise anything that is said cannot be as evidence. There is nothing preventing the arrest of a suspect without the reading of the rights, since you can hold the suspect for several hours prior to questioning. In fact, I think it would make sense to wait until the formal taped interview so you can get the reading of the rights on record to avoid any dispute of the reading of the rights in a court case.

[diva77]

100. Thanks for clarification -- here's what Findlaw.com says about it

I wonder whether the jurisdiction where this took place required the warning prior to her being taken into custody?

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-rights/miranda-warnings-and-police-questioning.html

SNIP...Miranda Warnings Don't Always Apply

There are two very basic prerequisites before the police must issue a Miranda warning to a suspect:

The suspect is in police custody
The suspect is under interrogation

It's crucial to understand these prerequisites because if you aren't formally in police custody, and you aren't being interrogated, the police don't have to give you a Miranda warning. This, in turn, means that the police can use anything you say until those two requirements are fulfilled as evidence against you.

Police Custody

"Police custody" is generally defined as anytime the police deprive you of your freedom of action in a significant way. Realistically though, it means being arrested. Some jurisdictions treat detentions differently than arrests, though, and a Miranda warning isn't required in such a situation.

Generally speaking, an actual arrest must take place before the police need to give you a Miranda warning. This means that simple things such as traffic stops or a police officer walking up to you and asking you questions are not considered police custody. When in doubt, just stay silent (except for the exception about identification discussed below)...SNIP

[MrsCoffee]

74. Bush pretty much killed Miranda.

That's my feelings on it anyway.

[JonLP24]

76. Miranda is actually buried right here in Mesa Cemetary

I think he got killed in a bar fight. I'm just kidding, I know what you meant.

[MrsCoffee]

78. Lol.

[Angry Dragon]

6. Police State ....... and Trump wants to give them bigger guns

[geek tragedy]

7. Oink oink. nt

[JimGinPA]

8. Wow!

Asinine is the first word that came to mind.

[Kentonio]

69. Fascists was the first word that came to mine..

[Ninsianna]

9. WTF?

[JI7]

10. thugs

[TeamPooka]

17. Thugs with badges

[GeoWilliam750]

14. Typically, law enforcement and hospital staff have a good working relationship

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And this guy just dented that badly.

My guess is that it is probably not a firing offence, but the apology necessary will require seriously grovelling.

The officer's name been released (Detective Jeff Payne), but why did the other officer go along with it?

http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/08/31/utah-nurse-arrested-after-complying-with-hospital-policy-that-bars-taking-blood-from-unconscious-victim/

More footage from Deseret News - the longer video is actually far more damning

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865687903/Stop-I7ve-done-nothing-wrong-Nurse-shares-police-video-of-crazy-arrest-by-SL-officer.html

[orangecrush]

34. Not a firing offence???

You've got to be kidding.

[ATL Ebony]

41. This shit is crazy. She was calmly explaining policy and seeking confirmation from her

supervisors and their supervisors. If the officer wasn't being such a threatening "bully" he could have contacted his supervisor there on the spot and cleared up their department's obvious outdated knowledge of the blood draw policy. And, no, removing him from the blood draw program is a non-responsive action. He needs more than retraining on the policy -- some policy on dealing with the public is more appropriate. He violated her rights, manhandled her and basically kidnapped her without any attempt to diffuse the situation. Just a blatant "I'm in charge, I've got a badge and can do what I want" IDIOT!!

He's a jerk and shouldn't be dealing with the public on any level AND he should go into a different line of work (from home, preferably -- no public contact).

Truly disturbing such a minor issue was so poorly handled and unnecessarily rised to this level -- just stupid people being stupid.

[GeoWilliam750]

47. It seems that his supervisor told him to arrest her

"Just following orders....."

[ATL Ebony]

56. I know but then the dialogue stopped and it should have been more discussion about the

policy she was reading; or, maybe he told his supervisor who just persisted -- therefore; both are idiots.

[Downtown Hound]

109. Not a firing offense my fucking ass

Name me one other job in the world that you wouldn't be fired from if you mistreated somebody that way (President of the United States doesn't count).

Even if he was ordered to arrest her, the aggressive and bullying manner in which he did it shows that he was anything but an unwilling schlub obeying orders. He was a Nazi stormtrooper, and there is no room for assholes like him on our streets.

[WinkyDink]

15. Give that cop some military gear! Yeah!

[Revanchist]

42. Why do you say that?

Do you think all military members are fascists?

[HopeAgain]

44. The concern is giving powerful military gear

To police who act like fascists as did these cops.

[Mariana]

54. The poster said military gear, not military members.

These are civilian police officers. Their jobs are very different. Do you think they need the same weapons and equipment the military use for invasion and occupation of hostile foreign countries?

[denbot]

75. Where did you get that idiotic question?

Seriously, WTF?

[Arazi]

84. Cause Trump just authorized releasing military hardware to police departments

So yah, police officers are going to look even more like combat soldiers with even deadlier toys than ever before

[denbot]

85. I am aware of Trump's intentions.

What perplexes me is how Revachst conflated WinkDink's post with an implication that WindyDink thinks "all military members are fascist".

[Revanchist]

107. Sorry, my nerves have been raw the last few days.

Life has thrown me a few curve balls and I guess that I'm on edge and feeling very defensive. There are the occasional posters here who are very anti-military in general and I interpreted the post as the cop is acting in a very fascist manner and I never thought of the militarization of the police force as much as putting the violent authoritarian people in the military.

Like I said not having a very good week and I'm lashing out at others since I feel so helpless in my own situation.

[denbot]

108. Sorry to hear that bro/broette..

Yeah in the nearly 17 years I've been around here only once did I come close to a G.B.C.W. (good bye cruel world) post. A dickbag DU'er called vets cannon fodder, and that they deserved their fate. I alerted, but the comment was left up.

The thing is that we need to practice a little stoicism, and take into account that many of our DU brethren are passionately dedicated to seeing that the lives of our service men and women are not squander frivolously, like what happened in Vietnam, and Iraq.

Peace,
denbot

[Weekend Warrior]

89. Where were "military members" mentioned?

[Iggo]

96. Oh, jeez.

[Downtown Hound]

121. LOL. Really?

[WinkyDink]

126. Hello? 1. Sarcasm. 2. Keep up with Trump, okay?

[TeamPooka]

16. I hope this costs the citizens of Salt Lake City a huge boatload of money

I hope this costs the citizens of Salt Lake City a huge boatload of money

[mythology]

55. It would be a more effective deterent if it cost the Salt Lake City police department money

The city's insurance going up won't realistically hurt the cops who think this is a good idea. Instead, the money should come out of the police budget or their pensions. Obviously that should in addition to this cop, the cop who stood there and didn't interfere and anybody else involved should be fired and arrested.

[TeamPooka]

97. Plus the resting officer should actually be arrested for knowingly breaking the law

[Laffy Kat]

18. I hope she sues the crap out of the city. nt

[Laffy Kat]

19. Do we know when this happened? nt

[Laffy Kat]

20. Just read up on it.

It was July 26th. The police officer has been suspended pending an IA investigation. Both the nurse the the hospital are considering legal action.

[hlthe2b]

37. Here is a WAPO link to the full story....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/01/this-is-crazy-sobs-utah-hospital-nurse-as-cop-roughs-her-up-arrests-her-for-doing-her-job/

[krakfiend]

21. wow, crazy

[SergeStorms]

24. A belated welcome....

to DU, krakfiend! I sincerely hope you're not an actual crack fiend. But if you're hanging around DU, your mental faculties are in tip-to shape, so I really doubt it. Again, welcome.

[LuckyCharms]

22. That fucking bastard. A nurse has a difficult enough job.

And now she is traumatized by some half-wit goon putting his hands on her.

At what point does stuff like this go from "our department will revise its training procedures" to "there is a systemic problem that needs to be fixed"?

[SergeStorms]

26. And a belated "welcome"...

to you as well, LuckyCharms. We've had an accelerated number of people joining lately. You'd think we had a complete moron in the White House or something. The more the merrier. Slug away at the reich-wing lunatics along with the rest of us.

[LuckyCharms]

27. Thanks very much, SergeStorms...

[SergeStorms]

23. I sincerely hope......

this Police Officer is looking for a new job at this very moment. He knows the law, or he should know the law, and his insistence on drawing blood when none of the legal criteria were met went beyond the pale of good judgment and reason. His disposition is not suited for law enforcement. He seems to be ideally suited for the Trump administration, though, so he has that going for him.

I hope the nurse sues the police officer, the police department, and the city of Salt Lake City. What they did to her was horrible, and all because an out-of-control police officer refused to follow procedure. Asshole! The law enforcement departments in the country seem to be going power mad, and I believe a great deal of that attitude is due to the attitude of the shit-geyser in chief, Donald Trump. He's as much as told police that they can "rough up" suspects.

This country is falling apart, and it's all due to the orange ego-maniac who stole the presidential election under the aegis of Vladimir Putin.

[LuckyCharms]

28. Well said. n/t

[yardwork]

52. It's worse than that. The cop's lieutenant told him to arrest her.

The department was 100% wrong in their understanding of the law - constitutional law - and they quickly became violent in their efforts to impose their incorrect understanding. THIS is fascism.

[TeamPooka]

98. Yes it is

[SergeStorms]

119. I also believe.....

that Trump raised the ante in Police brutality with his "rough them up" speech in New York about a month ago. Hey, they have the permission and protection of Trump and the Justice department behind them, why not kick it up a notch? Everyone knows it's "constitution, schmonstitution" as far as Trump is concerned.

[yardwork]

125. I'm thinking the same thing. I still blame the higher ups in this case.

[mythology]

92. He shouldn't be looking for a job

He should be looking for a criminal defense attorney for his trial. It's pathetic that he isn't. Unfortunately we provide far to much protection for the many bad cops. Every cop there should be arrested as well as the lieutenant who ordered the arrest. It was a blatant abuse of power and the way to make these things stop is to put harsh and direct punishment on the cops who abuse their power.

[orangecrush]

25. Rec for visibility

[Ilsa]

30. LEO was older, not a young inexperienced guy,

it appears. This looks like someone who has anger issues, possibly from working too long. He needs to be retired. I hope the nurse gets whatever she needs to feel safe at work again.

[defacto7]

31. Here in SLC it's unusual for police to run amok like this.

but definitely not unusual for the sheriff's dept. to run off the rails, threatening employees, etc. They seem more militaristic in their training and attitude.
In the recordings it easy to hear the passive agressive voice turn to controlled aggression with the vocal tremors. The cop definitely has psychological control issues.

[orangecrush]

32. This is the aftermath

The other cop tries to bullshit her while she is in the car, telling her she is "obstructing justice".

Just unbelievable.

[LuckyCharms]

38. That asshole cop that is kneeling and talking to her...

is a bullshit artist and does not have any idea what he is talking about. He is making shit up on the fly.

[yardwork]

45. To me, that is the worst part. Fascism in action.

And the ineffectual people standing around on their phones are worrisome too. They didn't even get the officer's name and number until after they'd hauled the nurse to an unmarked car?

[AJT]

33. I wish I could think that this kind of behavior was an anomaly, sadly I can't.

[Pachamama]

35. This Nurse deserves a Medal! Fyi - this nurse isn't just any nurse-she is a former 2 time Olympian!

Not only was she doing her job protecting her patient and the patients rights, following the rules and regulations of the hospital, she was following the law!!!

These police officers were breaking the law, asking her to break the law and when she didn't comply, they violently arrest her without stating the reason for the arrest or reading her Miranda rights. They hurt her in the process of the arrest, she never resisted arrest and is rightfully scared and continuously asking why are they arresting her. The police officer who kneels down to talk to her as she has been put in the car in handcuffs, lectures her that he knows the law and has been doing this for 20 years and basically is trying to tell her that all she needs to do is to do as they are instructing (even though she repeatedly says she can't and its against the regulations and her duty to her patient and they don't have a warrant and the man isn't arrested).

Alex Wubbels, the nurse, formerly known as Alex Shaffer, is a two time Olympian in Alpine Downhill skiing and competed on the US Ski team in Nagano in 1998 and in Salt Lake City in 2002. Two time Olympian. She qualified for the coveted few spots on the US Olympic Ski Team.

https://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/sh/alex-shaffer-1.html

Unfucking believable....

[lpbk2713]

104. Not just another pretty face.

This time the fascisti bit off more than they could chew with their bullying and intimidation tactics.


Link: http://heavy.com/news/2017/09/alex-wubbels-shaffer-nurse-skier-video/

[Lunabell]

36. I would refuse too.

This could be considered battery. As a nurse I have to follow a patient's need. I would only obey with a court order.

[LuckyCharms]

39. Also, would HIPAA laws not override all until...

a court order is obtained? I'm asking because I don't know, but it seems to me like HIPAA would take precedence until a judge, rather than a cop, overruled HIPAA.

Edit: spelling

[HopeAgain]

43. HIPAA applies to existing records...

Here, they want to make the hospital participate in a warrantless search (blood draw) without consent. This is also a violation of the Constitution.

[csziggy]

106. In 2016, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that warrantless blood tests were illegal

In Thursday’s news conference, Wubbels’s attorney Karra Porter said that Payne believed he was authorized to collect the blood under “implied consent,” according to the Tribune. But Porter said “implied consent” law changed in Utah a decade ago. And in 2016, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that warrantless blood tests were illegal. Porter called Wubbels’s arrest unlawful.

“The law is well-established. And it’s not what we were hearing in the video,” she said. “I don’t know what was driving this situation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/01/this-is-crazy-sobs-utah-hospital-nurse-as-cop-roughs-her-up-arrests-her-for-doing-her-job/

Are police officers required to do continuing education so they are kept up to date on the laws they are supposed to obey and enforce? Nurses and teachers are required to take classes on a regular basis. If cops are not required to, that needs to change!

[socialist_n_TN]

46. FTP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FTP!!!!!!!!!!

[Lee-Lee]

48. Dumbass needs to be fired for sure

The change in law isn't a recent one, its last year, and he should have known about it.

Even if he had been right, you don't handle it like that and you don't lose your temper like that. If the nurse was wrong you find another, get your blood, and later come back with a summons if you really want to push the issue of obstruction. But she wasn't wrong, so that just doubles down on it.

How is this department updating its people on changes to the law and changes to case law like this? We got newsletters every two weeks from the DA's office that covered changes to the law like those and every 6 months we hand mandatory in-service training with the DA or a lawyer from the state Justice Academy just to go over changesnin the law that were new.

One of the basic obligations when your sworn to uphold the law is to know what your doing and get it right. The body of law is ever changing and even if it never changed no one person can know it all. We all had a complete copy of the NC criminal statutes in a small book with us at all times and file #1 was always if you are not sure look that shit up. His not being aware of SCOTUS case law that affected his duties directly that's from last year shows he and his department deeply negligent in that regard.

[HAB911]

50. Three cops that need to be jobless this morning

[samnsara]

51. sue sue sue sue sue sue sue sue sue sue!!!!!

[RKP5637]

53. This sure gives one respect for the police, NOT!!! Wait until Trump loads them up with

more military gear and prepares his supporters as Brownshirts. Not real one might say, well shit does happen as the US might turn right wing fascist.

[mercuryblues]

57. These cops do not even realize or care

about what they did. His partner told her if she had just done what he wanted ... His Lt. ordered him to arrest the nurse if she did not comply. They fractured the respect and working relationship between cops and hospital care givers by arresting her. All 3 need to lose their jobs.

Cops do not like to even give speeding tickets to hospital employees. Especially nurses and Drs. And here this guy waltzes in like he is the boss king. He will not be told no.

[dembotoz]

58. Gotta wonder

[Ilsa]

60. It's no different than a cop telling a doctor to remove someone's kidney.

It's just as illegal to ask the nurse to draw blood under these circumstances. Magnitude of transgression is the only difference.

Unlike the cops, the nurse has a license to protect. She could personally be sued by the patient, called before the state board of nursing, lose her job, etc, just because two cops were ordering her to do something illegal, which they had no right to do. She doesn't work for them.

[JonLP24]

62. Holy shit. Her surpervisor was like "don't attack the messenger"

and he was like "she's the one who told me" then her supervisor says "Sir, you're making a huge mistake" and he proceeds to double down on it.

[Cicada]

63. She would not let the phlebotomist cop draw blood

I think the cop was trained by the police to be a phlebotomist and the nurse would not permit him to draw the blood. The theory of the arrest may have been that the nurse interfered with him doing his job. But arresting her was clearly a horrible idea, brain dead stupid.

[JonLP24]

65. She was relaying the hospital policy from her supervisor

She was just doing her job informing him of the policy the police department agreed with the hospital specifically for patients suspected of driving under the influence.

The detective didn’t have a warrant, first off. And the patient wasn’t conscious, so he couldn’t give consent. Without that, the detective was barred from collecting blood samples — not just by hospital policy, but by basic constitutional law.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/01/this-is-crazy-sobs-utah-hospital-nurse-as-cop-roughs-her-up-arrests-her-for-doing-her-job/?utm_term=.8bb1a4a425c3

[Cicada]

82. Does she have a right to stop an illegal search?

I agree that the phlebotomist cop had no constitutional right to draw blood. But apparently he mistakenly thought he did. Does the nurse have a legal right to stop the cop from his planned illegal action? I don't know. My guess would be yes, she had that right because they were in a hospital her employer had the right to control. My point was that the cop did not order her to draw blood, contrary to what everyone else seems to believe. If I use force to prevent a cop from illegally searching my house after he screams, and mistakenly believes, exigencies circumstances, have I broken the law? I don't know. Maybe my only remedy is to have what was found excluded from evidence.

[JonLP24]

83. If they want to arrest somebody arrest her boss on the phone who was telling her what to do

[Cicada]

91. Police can legally do things they should not do

It seems clear they should not have arrested anyone. I just wonder if they had a legal right to arrest the nurse even tho they should not have done that. I doubt the arrest was legal but I am not sure about that.

[LanternWaste]

93. I can't imagine a case in which the police have the legal right to arrest someone

I can't imagine a case in which the police have the legal right to arrest someone attempting to adhere to local, state and federal laws regarding patient privacy.

Though they may have (arguably) the de-facto legal authority to do so, I'd imagine they do not have the legal right.

[WoonTars]

105. Nothing that occurred in this situation was legal.

From trying to draw blood, without a warrant, from a person that clearly could not consent, all the way up to the forceful arrest of the nurse.

I hope that cop gets fired, and the nurse enjoys her millions...

[anneboleyn]

110. Illegally obtained blood, which this would be, is not admissible in court. So WTF is the cop doing?!

He had no grounds to arrest that nurse. She didn't determine the hospital's policy. She was sent to READ the policy and protect the patient. That is very fucking basic. The cop is quite clearly making an inappropriate and impotent show for NO reason.

Illegally obtained blood -- which this IS (no warrant and the patient is not subject to arrest) -- is NOT admissible in court. Defense attorneys would have it thrown out immediately. Also, the patient was a VICTIM. The police were in a high speed chase, and the driver being chased crashed into this truck driver, who was doing nothing wrong and breaking no laws.

[Baconator]

118. Blood was being drawn in preparation for the pending (likely) civil suit...

The patient had been the victim of a person fleeing during a high-speed pursuit.

Once (if) the patient recovers they can sue the police based on their policies that the risk to the public outweighs the benefit of catching the criminal.

If the police can find drugs or alcohol in the victim then their liability is reduced.

Evidence that would be on its face illegal in a criminal case can find its way into a civil case.

[obamanut2012]

137. You are a cop apologist -- no, he had no right

to either arrest her or draw blood.

Quit twisting yourself like a pretzel to passive-aggressively blame the nurse.

[Cicada]

139. Thinking cops can get away with murder isn't apologizing for them

I am just wondering if the cop has ways to wiggle out of responsibility. I am not blaming the nurse. I view her as heroic.
I view the cop as typically authoritarian, enraged when someone fails to immediately lick his boots. I think we should try to avoid hiring cops who are excessively authoritarian. I view many of the Trump dead Enders as excessively authoritarian.

[MuseRider]

135. She is there to protect her patients.

I think we all have a right to stop illegal action. Nurses are there for the patients, not the doctors or the hospitals although they work with all of them but they are there as a patient advocate and challenge things whenever they think something is not right.

You may get put in jail and you may get hurt but you do not have to obey an illegal request. You do not have to let them in your house without legal papers requiring you to do so.

[MiniMe]

95. Did he show proof that he was a phlebotomist?

The blood results would have been thrown out in court anyway without a warrent

[obamanut2012]

136. There was no arrest -- why do you not get that

It is illegal for them to even ask for a blood draw -- SCOTUS decided that. ILLEGAL. The nurse would have been fired, lost her license, and sued if she had done that. She is a hero.

[grantcart]

64. I am guessing that this police station has a real problem with its training and establishing SOPs

[grantcart]

66. Thanks for posting this. Obviously fuck up. Appreciate it if you can keep us posted on the obvious

follow up.

[dalton99a]

67. Asshole crossed the line big time. There should be a lawsuit

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/01/this-is-crazy-sobs-utah-hospital-nurse-as-cop-roughs-her-up-arrests-her-for-doing-her-job/

[Renew Deal]

68. The good news is that she will get a nice bonus from the taxpayers of Salt Lake City

[JonLP24]

71. She doesn't appear to be suing unless something changes

For now, Wubbels is not taking any legal action against police. But she’s not ruling it out.

“I want to see people do the right thing first and I want to see this be a civil discourse,” she said Thursday, according to the Deseret News. “If that’s not something that’s going to happen and there is refusal to acknowledge the need for growth and the need for re-education, then we will likely be forced to take that type of step. But people need to know that this is out there.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/01/this-is-crazy-sobs-utah-hospital-nurse-as-cop-roughs-her-up-arrests-her-for-doing-her-job/?utm_term=.8bb1a4a425c3

[exboyfil]

70. Trump says

Pull the hand away when putting her in the car.

[ismnotwasm]

72. I saw this on ZDoggMD

The cop behavior was in no way defensible. Here is ZDoggs discussion on it. All of the "zpack" as he calls us, are horrified

[Kentonio]

73. The truly terrifying thing about this and so many of these kinds of videos is the level of violence.

Obviously the cop was wrong to arrest her anyway, but even if it had been legitimate he could have just said 'Sorry Ma'am, I'm going to have to place you under arrest, please come with me'. She's a fucking nurse for christs sake, she didn't pose any kind of threat to the officers, she wasn't a flight risk, or a danger to the public. Hell, even if their police policies require handcuffs, he could have just asked her politely to place the cuffs on her.

But no, once again a cop uses aggression and physical force for absolutely no damn reason. Other countries don't police this way, and they see a lot less bullshit arrests and a lot less suspects AND officers getting hurt or killed as a result.

[FarPoint]

77. This is what our ☮️ Officers have become....

A brutal collective of SS Troops....This video should wake up a few minions....

[spanone]

79. welcome to trumpworld where the police rule.

who the fuck are these people?

[socialist_n_TN]

80. This shit has been going on a LOOONG time before Trump.........

It's not new. Is Trump encouraging more of it? Maybe, but he's not the cause, he's the symptom.

[dalton99a]

86. +1

[leftstreet]

90. +1

More Theory of Bad Apples

[left-of-center2012]

81. Trump can pardon the cop ... (see edit)

Last edited Fri Sep 1, 2017, 06:24 PM - Edit history (1)

... and call him a hero.

[NutmegYankee]

113. It would be a state charge, and the president can only pardon Federal Offenses.

It's a limitation in Article II, section 2 of the Constitution.

[left-of-center2012]

115. My comment was sarcasm

Last edited Fri Sep 1, 2017, 06:55 PM - Edit history (1)

Sorry I didn't label it as such.

I'll remedy that.

[NutmegYankee]

117. I guess it's the problem of Poe's law.

Your comment was completely plausible in today's 4th Reich.

[fishwax]

87. wow, that's disturbing

I'm impressed at her resolve.

[MuseRider]

88. When I was in Nursing school and after I

graduated and was waiting for my board scores and my transfer to ICU I worked in the ER. Even back then the first thing they told us is that we were there for the patient. It did not matter if there were drugs, you hid them because the patient was there under our care and if the cops wanted to bust them they would have to wait. The patients need to have complete trust that they will be cared for.

I watched this and I think the entire thing boiled down to a WOMAN telling him no. Even after hearing the hospital policy, even after listening to her supervisor it came down to her telling him no.

Not all cops are bad, not all cops are bullies, not all cops are irrational in their behavior. There was absolutely no reason for this guy to go nuts. The man who he wanted blood from was the victim not the perp. The cause of the accident was that the guy they were chasing hit the guy he wanted blood from who was apparently minding his own business doing his job or just driving. Perhaps we need a blood sample from cops who feel the need to chase people through towns in vehicles and make them run and do stupid things. Perhaps we need a blood sample from cops who cannot follow the law and feel like they can push women around (probably men too but I think the end result would have been different) and be this belligerent and angry over a woman doing her job WITH PROOF that that was her job.

*clip*

"Wubbels’s supervisor chimes in on the speakerphone. “Why are you blaming the messenger,” he asks Payne. “She’s the one that has told me no,” the officer responds.

“Sir, you’re making a huge mistake because you’re threatening a nurse,” Wubbels’s supervisor says over the phone.

At that point, Payne seems to lose it."

It is just part of it but I would like to see what his steroid levels are or if he has been treated for violence when someone tells him no.

[Demit]

127. That's the impression I got. The man with the badge didn't like being told no,

and by a woman, no less. Well, he had a badge & a gun and he was gonna show HER who was boss.

[MuseRider]

129. Yeah, there was just that

summpin summpin that comes with a man who has been challenged by someone lesser than he is. Most of us get that feeling really quickly when that is part of these kinds of episodes. A certain kind of bullying, a very scary kind especially when the jerk has a gun, handcuffs and shoves you in a car away from your friends.

I am certain this guy struts his power all the time but in the case of women it is special. I can only imagine what he would have done if she had been a black woman.

[yardwork]

128. I also blame the lieutenant who told him to arrest the nurse.

The worst part of this is NOT that a rogue cop went berserk. The worst part is that his superiors told him to break the law, and then a superior officer showed up and reinforced the lies and illegal behavior by continuing to bully the nurse. The whole department seems corrupt.

[MuseRider]

130. You are correct.

I don't think I read this wrong but wasn't the guy they wanted blood from the guy who had been hit by the guy they were chasing? Why would they need anything from him if that was the case.

Nobody acts calmly anymore and that is what scares me the most. They start from the stance of "I am the boss and what I say goes" instead of ever even trying to find out what is going on first. It isn't like this guy was going anywhere. What was the testosterone rush here? We start at 10 now on everything.

[yardwork]

131. I read the same as you. I think that there were two things going on.

One, the police had an urgent desire to get and test the crash victim's blood. There seem to be several theories about why they wanted this so urgently. I have my suspicions.

The second issue is that the older cop obviously didn't like his authority being questioned by a woman. He decided that when he didn't get his way, it was perfectly ok to physically attack her.

And it makes me mad that nobody stopped him.

[MuseRider]

134. I cannot imagine if this had happened

in any nursing unit I was ever in that everyone would not have been backing her up and NOT letting those cops lay hands on a co worker. My guess is we are all way more afraid that we want to admit. They have killed enough people, mostly black people but still they have killed for no reason at all being always cranked up to 10 that we are all just leery of ever challenging them. She was very brave and she was right and she knew it. They are winning when this is the way we act and it makes me sick.

[nini]

94. When are all these right wing tax hating pukes gonna get tired of using taxpayer money

to pay out when their police do crap like this?

This video is beyond disgusting - that woman did nothing wrong and was doing everything right. They didn't get their way so they overreact.

Every freaking officer there who didn't stop that needs to lose their job.

[True_Blue]

99. Even if the nurse had let them illegally get the blood sample

Maybe I'm missing something, but how could they have used it in a court of law, since it would have been obtained illegally without consent or a warrant?

[anneboleyn]

111. They can't. Illegal in Utah and illegal per the Supreme Court. Not admissible.

[Tribalceltic]

102. As the patients nurse she has a duty to protect him

She acted professionally and properly While being assaulted , threatened and battered by a rogue element of Law enforcement. The Detectives partner should have prevented him from making the arrest. They should all be relieved of duty without pay until a proper, independent investigation can determine what charges they should face.

My one question is... am I next?

[HAB911]

103. Payne has been suspended from blood-draw duties but remains in his role as a detective in the invest

http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/09/01/salt-lake-city-police-apologize-for-officer-handcuffing-nurse-who-refused-blood-draw-of-unconscious-patient/

[Blue_Tires]

112. The one silver lining is the more white folks get the "treatment"

the sooner we'll see sweeping reforms... Which incidentally is exactly what happened with the TSA.

[treestar]

114. A cop should know when he

needs a warrant. Incompetent at the very least.

[frogmarch]

116. Bet he beats his wife

or girlfriend, if he has either. What an asshole. The nurse and the hospital should sue!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

122. That's too useless and wouldn't cause him enough trouble in his life

I hope 'anonymous' decides to go after him. He looks close to retirement. Maybe they could let social security know that he 'died'.

[dalton99a]

123. Well, Detective Jeff Payne has no need for doctors or nurses ever

He seems to be in perfect health and he will never need medical care

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

124. The mystery is solved

For anyone not aware of the location of the boil on the butt of the SLPD, he's it.
A real maggot of a man.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

120. I am rather angry at the moment

Had I been there, I may have had to hit the useless bastard in the face with a bat.

[NutmegYankee]

132. You are not alone.

[Hamlette]

133. A warrant is so easy to get in SLC, he has fill in the blank form in his car

And judges are on call 24/7 for just this reason. Fire his ass and sue him.

[struggle4progress]

138. Officer suspended

... "I was alarmed by what I saw in the video with our officer," Police Chief Mike Brown said.

Footage from a police body-camera shows Ms Wubbels explaining to the officer that she could not extract blood from the patient, who had been injured in a car accident, due to a recent change in the law.

A 2016 US Supreme Court ruling said a blood sample cannot be taken without patient consent or a warrant ...

Eventually the detective handcuffed Ms Wubbels and left her in a hot police car for 20 minutes, and she was not charged ...

https://stv.tv/news/international/1396927-policeman-suspended-for-handcuffing-hospital-nurse-who-refused-to-take-bloo/

[Buns_of_Fire]

141. Suspended. As usual, given a paid vacation...

Alex Wubbels and her lawyers released footage of her being put into handcuffs, which resulted in Salt Lake City police putting Detective Jeff Payne on paid leave after prosecutors called for a criminal investigation.

Maybe they do this to give assholes like Payne plenty of time to lawyer up.