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Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 07:23 AM Sep 2017

Send prayers: Texas Republican turns down donated blankets, beds, manpower from Canada

OFFS!
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/send-prayers-texas-republican-turns-down-donated-blankets-beds-manpower-from-canada/

Those who have been impacted by Hurricane Harvey in Texas and Louisiana are only beginning to see the way the flood waters have destroyed their homes. Many families tried to ride it out, only to be rescued when the rising waters forced them onto their roof. Thousands escaped with only their lives and the clothes on their backs, losing everything they own.

But according to Secretary of State Rolando Pablos (R-TX), they don’t need any help. As Patheos captured, they just need a little more Jesus.

Quebec’s Minister of International Relations Christine St-Pierre called Pablos to express his sorrow and condolences on behalf of the people of the Canadian province. He also offered equipment and manpower.

Pablos turned it down. Instead he asked for “prayers from the people of Quebec,” the minister relayed.
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Send prayers: Texas Republican turns down donated blankets, beds, manpower from Canada (Original Post) Snarkoleptic Sep 2017 OP
This is what Pablos wants? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #1
Mmmm Hmmm... Snarkoleptic Sep 2017 #6
I don't think it's quite that simple . . . DaleA Sep 2017 #24
I'm in a Harvey flood zone. What the local churches do.... Honeycombe8 Sep 2017 #28
Well, it is easy to see this was a misunderstanding.. d_r Sep 2017 #2
Who wants to tell Pablos that... kedrys Sep 2017 #3
Yep and Jesus is responding to all those prayers safeinOhio Sep 2017 #4
Obviously, Pablos Scarsdale Sep 2017 #5
There are quite a few texans I'd like to see put on Ilsa Sep 2017 #7
My Wish DownriverDem Sep 2017 #10
Good to know. Had my wallet out to donate. Back in pocket.. thanks Pablo's..beer instead dembotoz Sep 2017 #8
Ok, well prayers instead of a donation it is! I already donated, so can I get my money back? AJT Sep 2017 #26
Disgusting DownriverDem Sep 2017 #9
I just tymorial Sep 2017 #11
I hear that. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2017 #30
Rolando Pablos: Paladin Sep 2017 #12
You're about to be famous, Rolando! SCVDem Sep 2017 #13
Not surprised. ananda Sep 2017 #14
Texas - Secretary of State Rolando Pablos (R- TX) will soon be ex Sec of State in Texas Stuart G Sep 2017 #15
Wondering about 1st, 2nd, and South Main Baptist bobbieinok Sep 2017 #16
Inquiring minds want to know.. denbot Sep 2017 #18
All he had to say was a two word sentence..............."Thank You"...and shut up. Stuart G Sep 2017 #17
Did it ever occur to Pablos that the generous offer of assistance Tanuki Sep 2017 #19
What incredibly twisted logic and reasoning. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2017 #20
There was a man on the roof of his house Perseus Sep 2017 #21
+1 treestar Sep 2017 #32
Why would he do this? It's just cruel and stupid. smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #22
Texas Republican--what do you expect! Lonestarblue Sep 2017 #23
With what authority did he have to turn it down? None! shraby Sep 2017 #25
Why didn't he tell FEMA to stay away?? nt Bengus81 Sep 2017 #27
I'm hoping that Pablos is not an asshole and the message he meant to convey is: NCjack Sep 2017 #29
His Twitter page. Send him a message Maraya1969 Sep 2017 #31
I emailed Rowdyag Sep 2017 #34
Why didn't Jesus stop the flood onecaliberal Sep 2017 #33

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
1. This is what Pablos wants?
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 07:27 AM
Sep 2017


Perhaps Rolando Pablos (R) thought that Quebec's "Minister of International Relations" was an actual minister.

DaleA

(2 posts)
24. I don't think it's quite that simple . . .
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 09:31 AM
Sep 2017

Hi all; Ok, first, I think that tax exemptions for churches should end for a lot of reasons. That said, I worked in shelter planning for most of a decade, and can tell you that probably 90% of them are too small or improperly configured to provide adequate shelter facilities. Many more are simply in the wrong place. You need people to staff them, and the more small shelters you create the less efficient that becomes. It's also dangerous for the victims in some not so obvious ways. A lot of those churches do other things, both during a disaster and all the rest of the year. Should they be opening their bank accounts? If they have the cash yes. Can we all benefit from better coordination and planning between government and religious groups-hell yes. Can resource-poor churches be blamed for their inability? No. This has been another episode in the ongoing series: Militant Atheist Provides Cover for Churches.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
28. I'm in a Harvey flood zone. What the local churches do....
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 09:58 AM
Sep 2017

The local churches are, for the most part, small. Shelters have to be handled a certain way and is a complicated venture. We have two large shelters to handle hundreds of people. One is a colliseum, and the other is the local civic (convention) center. Both are huge.

But the local churches are very strong is providing assistance of all sorts. I live out a ways. There's a big Pentecostal church (that's right... PENTECOSTAL) that is a base for dropping off donations of all sorts. Their people take the donations from the cars and make regular runs to the big shelters. They also do volunteer work.

Some of the smaller churches are hands on helping local regular homeless shelters, which are now overflowing. Cooking, deliveries to the small shelters.

Generally the way it SEEMS to work is that the biggest church of that denomination will handle things. There are several pentescostal churches, but it's the big one that is the drop-off point and coordinates efforts to help. I think that probably the satellite pentescostal people provide help there, at the big one.

A big Catholic Church is providing similar assistance. Haven't heard of the Methodist churches doing anything, but they may be.

It's a good system. Each church collects things from the area, so it's easy for people to drop off donations.

All sorts of people are helping. It's amazing. In my area, some of the guys spent the entire bad weather time filling sandbags, putting them in their trucks, and taking them around to people who request them and can't go get them on the flooded streets. Women and children also helped fill sandbags.

Some of the guys used their boats to check on the elderly in flooded areas. My area has a Facebook group, where pics of lost and found pets were posted, lists of what is needed for donations, pics of flooded areas, updates of the flooding in different areas, etc.

It's all hands on deck in a situation like this. That includes the churches. But not all of them, I'm sure.

As a female, I couldn't lift the sandbags. I also have a small car that's low to the ground. One of the guys brought me a few sandbags and put them in the back for me, although I told him I'd go get them and that I'd drag them to the back. He insisted he'd bring them. Those sandbags weigh at least 50 pounds! When they get wet, they can weigh upwards of 80 lbs!

My heart aches for the people who flooded out, or got even just a foot of water in their houses. As I sat here wondering if the water would get to my house, I felt the fear that others no doubt felt. I began to panic. But I bought this house because it had never flooded and was not in a flood prone area. I did not flood, thank goodness. Many can't say that. Their worst fears came true.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
2. Well, it is easy to see this was a misunderstanding..
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 07:50 AM
Sep 2017

When Christine St-Pierre introduced herself as the "Minister of International Relations" secretary of state Pablos probably thought that she was a member of the clergy. He didn't want a Minister putting herself out and told her not to worry, just to pray for them.

kedrys

(7,678 posts)
3. Who wants to tell Pablos that...
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 08:01 AM
Sep 2017

...Québécois - of which I am one although I lived in Houston for years - spent the better part of the 1960s telling the church to get back in its lane and stop getting all up in everybody's shit...?

But I'm sure he can't get wrapped around the concept of an aggressively secular society, much less its existence.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
5. Obviously, Pablos
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 08:14 AM
Sep 2017

does not need help. If he did, he would likely be the first in line for these supplies. This is disgaceful. First refusing help from Mexico, not from Canada. Maybe we missed it, but did Texas secede???

Ilsa

(61,691 posts)
7. There are quite a few texans I'd like to see put on
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 08:17 AM
Sep 2017

on an island somewhere and left alone.

Texans hurt themselves and each other with this "bootstraps" attitude.

DownriverDem

(6,227 posts)
10. My Wish
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 08:34 AM
Sep 2017

If only we would have let the south succeed back in the 1860s. They have been a pain ever since.

Paladin

(28,246 posts)
12. Rolando Pablos:
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 08:38 AM
Sep 2017

Because asshole republicans like Louie Gohmert and Sid Miller aren't doing near enough to shame and humiliate the State of Texas.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
13. You're about to be famous, Rolando!
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 08:45 AM
Sep 2017

Or is that infamous.

March your ass down to the shelters and neighborhoods and tell the weary citizens what you have just done.

Make sure they don't have torches and pitchforks! Very important!

ananda

(28,854 posts)
14. Not surprised.
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 08:46 AM
Sep 2017

In fact, lately I've been thinking how crazy and mean the Christian righties are.

Just mean and crazy .. including Mike Pence.

Greg Abbott, well, he's showing what a disaster opportunist he is .. all those
photo ops and chances to look like he cares. But he doesn't. He's already
made it harder for survivors to get insurance payouts, for example.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
15. Texas - Secretary of State Rolando Pablos (R- TX) will soon be ex Sec of State in Texas
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 08:46 AM
Sep 2017

"more Jesus"..stupid, very stupid, .."don't need any help"..even stupider..stupidest..as stupid as Drumpf..

.....but we will see if he resigns for that comment, or fired..or left alone....

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
16. Wondering about 1st, 2nd, and South Main Baptist
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 08:47 AM
Sep 2017

Are they flooded?

Isn't 2nd a megachurch? And where Cruz often attends?

denbot

(9,899 posts)
18. Inquiring minds want to know..
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 08:59 AM
Sep 2017

Especially, whether Cruz's "Church/Tax Loop hole" opened their doors, and coffers?

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
17. All he had to say was a two word sentence..............."Thank You"...and shut up.
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 08:53 AM
Sep 2017

He couldn't figure it out..just 2, two, yes II, only two, it rhymes with Stu, one more than one...
1 plus 1 = 2....f**K.......JUST TWO WORDS................."THANK YOU"...........and then..

shut the f**k up...................he needs to join the "shut the f**k up" club. ...

Tanuki

(14,916 posts)
19. Did it ever occur to Pablos that the generous offer of assistance
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 09:06 AM
Sep 2017

might have been an answer to those prayers for help? What form does he think the prayed-for help will come in....manna falling from the sky?

NRaleighLiberal

(60,013 posts)
20. What incredibly twisted logic and reasoning.
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 09:12 AM
Sep 2017

I can't keep it straight - did god - or jesus - send the storm in the first place to punish? and does god - or jesus - then fix things after breaking them?



 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
21. There was a man on the roof of his house
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 09:17 AM
Sep 2017

during a flood; a motor boat came to rescue him, but he said "no, God will save me", later, a man with another boat came to rescue him, but then again he said "no, God will save me", a couple of hours later a helicopter came to rescue the man, and again he said "no, God will save me"...as the hours came and the flood became greater the man started drowning, so he yelled "God, why did you abandon me? why didn't you save me?", God answered "what are you talking about? I sent you two boats and a helicopter, but you refused them."

treestar

(82,383 posts)
32. +1
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 10:30 AM
Sep 2017

This guy is such an idiot - what are they going to pray for in order to help these people? LOL. I guess he is making some kind of point about faith in God, but then what does that faith refer to? Maybe he figures more people can die and get to heaven without help? Good Lord!

Lonestarblue

(9,959 posts)
23. Texas Republican--what do you expect!
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 09:30 AM
Sep 2017

This is the same Secretary of State who agreed to release voter information requested by Kris Kobach. He cares nothing for the people of Texas, just like the rest of the Republican administration here. They're just out to see how much money they can rake in.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
29. I'm hoping that Pablos is not an asshole and the message he meant to convey is:
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 10:08 AM
Sep 2017

The usual problems in sending material donations such as blankets and clothes are: collection, cleaning, sterilizing, sizing, packaging, loading, transporting, receiving, storing, and distribution. The costs of such activities can exceed the value of donation. In addition, there are almost no distribution systems for the donations in South Texas, at this time. Someone in Texas would have to be the agent to manage the materials after they cross the border. The State of Texas is not able to devote its resources to manage such projects.

However, donators in Canada and Mexico can push their cargos through by finding private agents, such an international charity that will accept the goods, take them across the border, and deliver them to locations for distribution. In many cases, the cost of the over all process will exceed the value of the goods.

Always, the most portable and convenient donations are US$.

Rowdyag

(105 posts)
34. I emailed
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 10:55 AM
Sep 2017

Ask why he would reject aid from Canada.....waiting on a reply, though not going to hold my breath. BTW, I'm a native Texas and on the very edge of the disaster zone.

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