I am a Democrat, a liberal Democrat, I support the party 100%

[Eliot Rosewater]

At this point in time given the situation we are in, I will not say one critical word of the Democratic Party until which time that we have taken power away from the Nazi racist fascists who now control all branches of our government.

I will support any Democrat on the ballot in November, no matter what.

Just thought I would mention that.

[leftstreet]

1. I welcome all ideas about the party and candidates n/t

[SWBTATTReg]

2. Amen...

I think it's too early to decide on who next dem. candidates will be for all offices...w/ tRUMP in power (and buddies), I think that more and more 'new' democrats will appear, and run for all kinds of offices, to finally truly start taking on the repubs in power, who have shown no competence in running the government.

[LuvLoogie]

3. Aye. This is the Democratic Underground. That means...

No fucking Nazis, and fuck the GOP, Assange, Stein, ratfucking "Independents", what-aboutism and false equivalence bullshit.

[JHan]

36. Wish we could rec posts

[betsuni]

44. +1

[ehrnst]

56. +1000 (nt)

[mcar]

4. Well said!

I agree 100%.

[ProudLib72]

5. What prompted this sudden truth telling?

Threads about Feinstein?
Threads about Obama?
Threads about Pelosi?

I thought forum rules were we weren't supposed to bash Dems.

[Warren DeMontague]

13. Threads about Tulsi Gabbard?

[Demsrule86]

67. She endorsed Bernie in the Primary, but she is not a very loyal Dem...that being said...we need to

keep her Yes, she said she would work with Trump ...Kind of interesting that some here defended that while losing their minds about what Sen. Feinstein said Personally I didn't care about either instance. I am aiming for Republicans not Democrat. No primaries for Dems until we get the GOP out of power....the house is on fire people...don't 'rearrange' the furniture...put out the damn fire.

[Warren DeMontague]

68. No, but I don't think people should imagine that criticism of Feinstein materialized out of nowhere.

She was clearly more to the Joe Leiberman side of the party during the Bush years. She voted for the IWR, which even at the time was deeply disconnected to how most Californians felt. (Boxer, of course, did not)

The point is, we are allowed to criticize Democrats here, and even the people who are going on about "don't ever criticize Democrats" have some Democrats in some circumstances that they themselves will criticize.

[Demsrule86]

69. We are supposed to support Democrats and there was a possibility that Gabbard would

join the Trump administration...now I find no purpose in criticizing Democrats. WE need to get the GOP out....nothing else matters...and criticism demoralizes Democrats and we lose as people don't bother to vote. I would also remind you that a fair number of posts are taken down when they attack Democrats and should be.

[Warren DeMontague]

70. Support, yes. But criticism is also allowed.

You can remind me all you want, I've been here since 2004. I think I understand how this place works, thanks.

[Expecting Rain]

16. Yeah, what about those rules?

If this is a pro-Democratic forum, I'd hate to read an anti-Democratic forum.

[AllaN01Bear]

6. ditto.

[JimGinPA]

7. Alerted!

Oh, wait...

[Eliot Rosewater]

8. You are only half joking, I know you are.

As in not that you would alert but that what I said is somehow controversial.

[JimGinPA]

9. No, I Agree Completely...

I could never vote for an Independent, much less a pub. That said, I voted for Sanders in the primary, but only because O'Malley dropped out before the PA primary & Sanders was running as a Democrat. General elections I vote straight ticket. Always have.

[Demsrule86]

10. Me too...and any left organization that primaries sitting Democrats has lost my support forever:

both in terms of money and time.

[George II]

15. That's a Revolutionary concept, thank you.

[GulfCoast66]

43. Right there with you. Purity tests equals minority party

If you are trying to primary a sitting Democrat while we are in the minority then I will oppose you.

If it is 1962 and the Democratic Party rules the roost then have at it. But in todays time, threatening a sitting democrat is unforgivable.

Have a nice evening.

[Bradshaw3]

11. We have to vote Democratic

Take back Congress and then the WH. Not to mention statehouses and legislatures.

[Atticus]

12. EXACTLY! nt

[LostOne4Ever]

14. What better way to fight fascism than a loyalty oath... nt

[NurseJackie]

19. LOL

[Expecting Rain]

20. Best to fight fascists by electing Democrats...

rather than aiding and abetting our enemies by launching attacks on good Democrats?

Yet this seems like a "controversial" position here on DU. Strange, yes?

[mjvpi]

25. The idea of universal health care was not even debated

Thanks to Senator Max Baucus from my home state of Montana. He was a "good Demacrat" who was totally in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industry. As President Obama pointed out, we have to demand that our leaders take us where we want to go.

[Beartracks]

60. We might need to be in the driver's seat first. n/t

[Steven Maurer]

31. Marriage vows are loyalty oaths...

So is the pledge of allegiance.

Fascists love coerced statements of pretend loyalty to enforce conformity.

Actual loyalty is true and deep and meaningful.

There is nothing wrong with deciding to openly pledge to fight authoritarianism. Such a declaration can be profoundly freeing.

[Voltaire2]

33. marriage vows are a freely entered civil contract between two equal individuals

at least they should be these days. They are not a "loyalty oath". The pledge of allegiance is in fact a loyalty oath and is an odious artifact that should be ignored and discarded.

Actual loyalty does not require oaths.

[Sunlei]

55. the best social internet hired trolls lie & are expert at pretending they are D voters.

[NurseJackie]

17. OMG! It's like you're reading my mind... inside my head!

Thank you for saying that!

[Aristus]

18. K&R!

Liberal Democrat till I DIE, motherfuckers!

[Martin Eden]

21. "on the ballot in November" (general election)

Without a doubt, GOTV to elect Democrats!

Having said that, we have plenty to discuss regarding what kind of Democratic Party and candidates we want and are most likely to WIN.

[mjvpi]

22. I agree with you come November

As liberal Demacrat, what exactly are you saying should happen leading up to November? Are we to be told from the party leadership what our agenda should be? I have voted straight party for 42 years. When I read your post I get a strong feeling that we may disagree about the primary process and how Demacrats should build a platform from the bottom up.

[Left-over]

23. Very well said. Thank You!!!

[Podkayne K]

24. I'm sure it's been said before but...

... God Bless you, Mr. Rosewater.

[blueinredohio]

26. I vote a straight democrat ticket, which doesn't give me a lot of choices b/c we are so red here

[Revanchist]

27. When I lived in Virginia Beach I had to play guess the party

Local races, like city council and school board do not list party affiliation on the ballots so it's not possible to vote a straight ticket. You needed to do some research to figure out where they stood on the issues.

[lunatica]

28. I'm in California and supporting Randy Bryce in Wisconsin who's running against Paul Ryan.

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[LakeArenal]

59. Thank you so much, lunatica...

Please always say Randy Bryce. He needs name recognition.

However, thanks for seeing the importance of ousting Ryan as a nationwide issue.
Sometimes all politics aren't local..

[lunatica]

63. I added his last name

Thanks!

[sandensea]

29. Hear, hear. We're going through a fascist revival and the Democrats are the ONLY viable alternative.

The Greens and other progressive third parties bring good ideas to the table - but as parties they are spoilers are nothing more.

[zentrum]

30. Critical analysis

.....is not the same as not supporting.

In order to wrest the country back from these demons we need to get it right this time. With that realization in mind, I think it's essential to mount and continue an honest self-examination about why we have lost so much power at all levels.

I don't at all consider criticism by life-long Democrats who will always vote Democratic to be dangerous to the party. I see it as essential.

[Voltaire2]

34. apparently others think we should just put blinders on and follow the same leaders who got us into

this mess.

[zentrum]

35. Yes, it concerns me. We really

....need to win and to do that there clearly needs to be changes.

I'm glad that Harris, Schiff, Kennedy, and Warren are ascendent. And of course Bernie is the most popular politician in America. If only the party will take more cues from them.

[LakeArenal]

58. I'm not sure I think Democratic leaders got us in this "mess"

I don't think following the lead of persons like Nancy Pelosi or Bernie Sanders got us here.

I also don't feel anyone is blindly following anyone anyway. I don't think Pelosi has been the most effective person in the world and considering the result, neither is Bernie. ( was a Bernie supporter ) That doesn't mean they aren't respected professionals that know a lot more than I do.

After a lot of critical thinking... I will vote for any Democratic candidate. I will urge everyone I know to do the same. 100% down the line.

[questionseverything]

65. well said

unless we get to the bottom of y we lost...we will see same results repeated

[haveahart]

32. I like and applaud your thinking.

[PdxSean]

37. I don't even support my own decisions 100%.

About 5% of the time I'm left wondering what the hell I was thinking.

[grantcart]

40. Well I have to disagree with everything you have said even though I agreed with it 15 min ago

When I am thinking what I am thinking I can hear myself complimenting myself on the brilliance of my thought process and the carefully laid out steps I have taken to arrive at it.

Fifteen minutes later I carefully re-examine my position and find that a number of the premises I relied on were carelessly formulated and are overly narrow, embarrassingly ambiguous or just the wrong flavour of ice cream.

This will bring me to completely reverse my original position and I find myself exactly at the position of your brilliantly worded and thoughtful response which is obvious and should be clear to everyone with out question.

It is at that point that I remember the wise admonition of Rene Descarte who was supposed to have settled this whole thing with Cogito ergo sum. (I think; therefore I am.) but then went on to doubt everything and may in fact be a butterfly thinking he is a man after all

If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things.

It then follows that I review my self doubt and find it to be a ridiculous and self indulging exercise of fallacy, namely argument of fallacy also known as 'fallacy fallacy'. Obviously I have entered into a Mobius Strip of ironclad knowledge morphing into existential quandary and despair morphing into delusions of grandeur and the obvious result of starting over with the firm ironclad knowledge morphing into, well you see the problem.

At some point I stop the merry go round and realize that if I follow the current position of the Democratic Party, especially those positions recently laid out by President Obama, that I am actually on very solid ground and should just hold on that position while I have a Jello pudding.

That is why I have to strongly disagree with your reply and conclude that like you I don't agree with myself 100% of the time, disagree with myself 5% of the time and wonder what the hell I was thinking.

[Warren DeMontague]

38. I agree. I've seen far too many threads criticizing Democrats.

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[JimGinPA]

42. That & A Subtle Rehashing Of The Primary...

Just to push buttons.

[Warren DeMontague]

45. "Rules for thou ... but not for moi"

that sort of thing just bugs me on a visceral level.

[bluestarone]

39. we all

need to vote Straight Democrat

[betsuni]

41. K&R

[Madam45for2923]

46. Hear! Hear! Am on board all the way with us DEMS!!!!

Eliot Rosewater (6,368 posts)

I am a Democrat, a liberal Democrat, I support the party 100%

At this point in time given the situation we are in, I will not say one critical word of the Democratic Party until which time that we have taken power away from the Nazi racist fascists who now control all branches of our government.

I will support any Democrat on the ballot in November, no matter what.

Just thought I would mention that.
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https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9543455

[IronLionZion]

47. I thought Democratic Underground was for burying Democrats deep Underground?

and that our firing squad should always be circular and our wounds shall forever be self inflicted to make things easier for the GOP.



Support the best candidate in the primaries and support the Democrat in the general election!

[Sunlei]

53. IMO, like what happened to digg- DU will get a buyout offer(from Rs) that will be hard to refuse.

I don't think the owner would take it but several million would be very hard to pass up.

[TNNurse]

48. I am a life long Democrat

I live where there are elections with no Democrats and have voted for Republicans. I am not sure I can ever do that again.

[aikoaiko]

49. I support Democrats over Republicans, but will not pledge to not criticize.

And if by the party, you mean the leaders/members of the DNC (and platform) and other Democratic committees charged with electing Democrats, since they are not on any ballot I receive, they should receive all the feedback we can give them.

[linnknee]

50. Agree agree agree agree

We got to get the crooks, cheats, liars, etc. Out. Which is the entire GOP after skinny repeal except for the saving 3 votes. The rest voting for a bill they don't know what it contains is just unbelieveable. As ridiculous as the idoit and his family in white house. I feel like we're living a stephen king novel.

[wryter2000]

51. I'm with you

And I really don't want to hear there's no difference between the two parties.

[Sunlei]

52. Me too, I agree. We just have to be careful of Republicans who know this & will switch to D for vote

Republican party will do anything to get enough votes. The RW 'attacks' include use of spoiler candidates to grab a couple percent of D votes & placing in fake D supporters to cause violence/division.

IMO, social media places like Facebook and Twitter shouldn't even be used by our government OR for our elections.

I'd even be happier if all legit news stories just redirected to their personal websites without any headlines.

[pwb]

54. i'm just a democrat.

is that o k ?

[PatrickforO]

57. I vote straight ticket too.

But we progressives, we lib-er-als need to stick together and not allow our party to be forced more to the right than it has been. Because many in the party could as well be Eisenhower Republicans based on how they vote and their stances on issues. I'm talking Pelosi here.

And no, don't get all outraged. I'm not against Pelosi. I'm merely saying that I disagreed with her when she encouraged Dems not to talk about Russia because...why? It's too hard to understand? So was Watergate. People are tired of it? Well, I'm sure tired of Trump, and if he committed treason, then it doesn't matter how tired we are of it. He needs to be brought to justice. I love this country, and for a whole political party to collude with a hostile foreign power to cheat their way to victory in a national election IS NOT OK. Period. It is treason.

And, Pelosi and many others have been slow to advocate Medicare for all Americans. Hey, we are the ONLY industrialized country in the world who does not cover everyone. That's bullshit. THAT is what I want my tax dollars spent on. Because I'll tell you what: right now I have shitty, rationed healthcare with financially crippling copays. Last year, I paid over $16K in premiums AND a whopping $3K for a surgery. That is WELL OVER 20% OF MY GROSS. And again, it is bullshit. The whole idea that we have to be wheeled through the accounting department before we can get treatment, and we have to fight, fight, fight for proper treatment even if we're old and sick is UNCONSCIONABLE.

I ALREADY pay a huge 'tax' for healthcare. It's called premiums. I'd MUCH rather have a big tax increase and not ever have to worry about healthcare. And, yes, I'm willing to subsidize healthcare for the poor with my taxes.

But, gosh, if we do that, then we'll have to slow down on military and national security spending.

And, we'd actually be using OUR tax dollars that we pay in every year for programs that actually benefit us instead of going to profits in some corporation.

So, you know, there's Dems and there's Dems. Yes, they are all better than Republicans, but we are not excused from bugging the hell out of them with telephone calls, emails, letters and signing petitions to force them to actually act in our interest. That is our responsibility as citizens in a republic.

[jimlup]

61. Yep! 100%

[DownriverDem]

62. Those who don't get it are fools!

Thanks to those who don't get it, we now have trump. You don't like some of the Dems? Get the Dems in and then make the changes you want. Too many folks were sucked in and let trump win. We will pay for their stupidity for years.

[Lazy Daisy]

64. I'm sorry, but that's wrong

Here is the perfect example of why:
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/watch-dem-nyc-council-member-tells-constituents-that-its-harder-being-rich-than-being-poor/

[Demsrule86]

66. I am with you...running a party down discourages others from voting for candidates fielded from

the party.

[Gothmog]

71. K&R