So Is This Six Month Delay Just To Satisfy His Base.....

[global1]

Here's my thought: He's already been assured that Congress - with the help of Ryan & McConnell - will before six months legislate DACA into law. In the meantime - he relishes in the glow of ending DACA & fulfilling his campaign promise. His base applaudes him. And to boot - he's overturned another Obama success.

When Congress legislates DACA into law - he then can blame Congress for not respecting his decision and he can tell his base that it is the fault of Congress and at least I did what I said I would.

Do you think there is any credence to my theory.

[Mike Nelson]

1. Hmmm...

...not so sure. Despite what they say, Republicans don't want it, either - they will become citizens and vote for Democrats. It's all about preventing Democrats from voting.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. Maybe the GOPers should consider that if they reinstate DACA,

they could at least try to persuade some of them to vote GOP.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. I think that's exactly what's going on.

He's satisfying his base and letting Congress takes the blame if it passes a bill reinstating DACA. But will Trump sign that bill or veto it?

[global1]

6. He'll Have To Sign It If It Is A Veto Proof Majority....

He'll actually get the help of Dems on this one. (sarcasm)

[Ms. Toad]

17. Actually, he doesn't.

There is nothing that requires him to sign a bill based on how many votes it received.

[elleng]

3. Yes.

[stopbush]

5. tRump is an asshole who doesn't and can't think beyond his nose.

He is ending DACA for one reason only - as a fuck you to Obama.

He hasn't thought beyond that.

[Control-Z]

8. Well, he also enjoys causing others pain.

It's a twofer. Vile, cruel, bastard.

[dalton99a]

14. Yep. He gets off on that shit

[Different Drummer]

9. That's it exactly. n/t

[MyOwnPeace]

10. I'm with you on this one.........

if it's labeled "Obama" - it's gone!

As for a "plan" - "thinking ahead" - HA!!!!!

The Orange Cheat-o can't think beyond the next tee!

[YCHDT]

25. Comic book level haterAide of Obama ...

[fierywoman]

7. I like your theory. Maybe on some level he knows he won't be

in office in 6 months, so decided to pretend he's The Big Man while he still can.

[dsc]

11. Any such legislation won't pass with a veto proof majority

and thus he will have his hands in the decision. He isn't going to be able to Pontus Pilate himself out of this.

[Purveyor]

16. Don't be so certain once the media starts highlighting these kids that will be sent

into a dire environment they have never known.

[janx]

24. It's already happening. Case in point:

http://www.koat.com/article/undocumented-immigrants-in-new-mexico-fear-deportation-if-daca-ends/12162450

[riversedge]

36. Thanks.

[VMA131Marine]

12. If Congress then goes and passes DACA into law....

Thanks Obama! POTUS44 will have proved right all along.

[customerserviceguy]

20. You may not like

this Congress' version of DACA. It will surely have to have some things not part of Obama's executive order DACA in order to get a majority in both houses, and veto-proof majorities in both the House and the Senate would have to be even more onerous.

Trump knows that he's going to get very, very little done with the GOPers he has now. I think he's turned his attention to the 2018 elections, and will be looking to use a Republican congressperson's vote for DACA as a way to launch a successful primary attack on that member. The six month thing is part of this, any vote to make DACA the law of the land will come before primary season everywhere.

Look for stories about this being a tough vote for a lot of GOP'ers, I don't think too many of them have the spine to stand up to Trump on principle, or they would have taken one of the hundreds of opportunities to do so before this.

[unblock]

13. 11th-dimensional tic-tac-toe?

[dalton99a]

15. +1

[customerserviceguy]

18. It does satisfy his base

as well as changing the conversation away from Russia, but there's something more I see here.

By threatening the DACA filers, he ups their value to the progressive side. Their salvation then becomes a part of a trade for other things that satisfy his base. I'm sure somebody who has read his books (not me!) can find some statements about figuring out what is most important to the person on the other end of the deal that you can extract more of what you want for that thing, which may be of negligible value to you.

[Docreed2003]

30. The wall...

If I had to guess, I'd say the wall is his bargaining chip in this dispicable move. "Vote to fund the wall, and I'll pass your dreamer legislation". That would be my guess.

[customerserviceguy]

37. That would be Plan A

But there are numerous Plan B options that can and will be tried. We will not see a "clean" DACA emerge from the legislative process, especially given the fact that the Republicons hold majorities in both sides of Congress.

It's time to start thinking about what we can live with, and what we absolutely cannot. And if the answer to that question is, "Nothing!" then we can expect that DACA will die because no legislative solution was reached.

Me, I can easily live with something that says, "No e-Verify, no deduction for wages as a business expense." It attacks the problem from the supply side.

[Docreed2003]

42. You're exactly right

Trump is now holding 800,000 people hostage and his Keebler elf was so excited today he could barely contain himself. We must decide what we are willing to live with in order to restore DACA and hopefully grant a pathway to citizenship!

[oberliner]

19. You think this Republican Congress will pass something like the DREAM Act?

Even though it couldn't pass when Obama was POTUS?

[janx]

22. No, but I don't think

that members of Congress--even most Republicans--have the guts to something as drastic as to wipe DACA out altogether. This is typical spineless Trump. Toss it to Congress, then blame them if they don't can DACA.

(I know you didn't ask me, Oberliner.)

[metalbot]

32. They don't have to

It dies on its own if they don't take action.

The major (legitimate) legal criticism of DACA is that it sets up a legal status (with paperwork and fees) that isn't authorized by congress.

To use an analogy here:

Let's imagine a world where Congress and the President decided to ban assault rifles, and gun owners were given 12 months to turn them in and claim compensation (I know, not likely, but bear with me). A new president is elected who directs the ATF to allow assault rifle owners to register them, and then to keep them if they've owned them more than 2 years.

Is there nobody on DU who would claim that a president who did this exceeded his authority?

Obama acted because Congress did not. Congress still needs to act, because even if Trump weren't ending DACA, at some point a successful challenge would be mounted at the SCOTUS level, and I doubt that "creating a brand new class of not-quite-citizens-or-green-card-holders-but-you-can-work-sort-of immigrants" falls under executive discretion.

[customerserviceguy]

39. Not a bad analogy

Even if Hillary Clinton had been elected, this court challenge was coming, and the outcome was uncertain, even if Hillary was able to nominate a progressive in place of Gorsuch. With Gorsuch, it wouldn't have mattered what Trump did, the case against DACA's constitutionality would have surely resulted in a decision that it was not constitutional.

The choice came down to: 1) Let this play out in the courts, and upon a negative decision, DACA would have been overturned, or 2) Give Congress a chance to make a law that Trump could sign, even though it is sure to carry provisions that many of us would regard as poison pills. Trump chose the latter.

Time will tell how well or poorly it will work out.

[janx]

21. Yes, absolutely. n/t

[titaniumsalute]

23. Yes

[RandySF]

26. How would he explain signing it?

[regnaD kciN]

27. What the Repugs are going to do...

...is load up a DACA 2.0 bill with a wishlist of every G.O.P. agenda item ever (tax cuts, ACA repeal, the border wall, and lots more) and then double-dog-dare Democrats to refuse to go along with it, as that will leave them to be blamed when Dreamers start getting rounded up. Hopefully, in Repug eyes, that will cost Democrats among their Hispanic base, and allow Republicans to survive 2018, if not pick up seats.

[customerserviceguy]

41. Good point

but I think that they will limit it to immigration-based items, and not tax cuts, etc. Still, there's plenty of damage to be done, and we need to figure out what will be acceptable, and what will justify a "no" vote on the bill that eventually emerges from the legislative process.

There is absolutely no way that a "clean" DACA bill will be up for a vote, there will be something distasteful as part of it, and Democratic members of Congress will have to make a tough choice as to whether keeping the DACA people safe is worth the cost of screwing some other immigrant over. I don't envy them.

[Warpy]

28. You're onto something. He can't make it all go away by dictatorial fiat

He needs Congress. When corporations figure out what this is going to cost them, they'll scream bloody murder at their bought and paid for Republicans. Then he blames Congress.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

29. I think Van Jones called it right on election night

The Trump Presidency is a "whitelash." It is a combination of the following:

- deep resentment of Barack Obama by many whites
- white fears of becoming a non-majority
- the white working class believing that manufacturing jobs will be returned from overseas, and that relaxed mining and drilling regulations will lead to a return of high paying energy sector jobs.
- white anger at BLM
- white resentment over hearing and reading Spanish in a nation they firmly believe is English -speaking.

The GOP has catered to angry whites since 1980 and Reagan's Southern Strategy. That won't change. They want to not only round up those that are here illegally, but (maybe more importantly) deport those who have a path to citizenship that would be likely to register as Democrats. Their goal is to make it easier for whites to dominate at the polls.

The six months is to give warning in hopes that they will heed the warnings and leave so as to avoid pathetic scenes of these kids being dragged off by ICE agents. In the end, the Republicans want to get the Dreamers the Hell out of America.

[no_hypocrisy]

31. The true, essential issue.

It would be easy enough to offer them citizenship, but as long as republicans are in charge, it won't happen.

Why? Because give Dreamers citizenship and they get voting rights. And they won't register and vote republican. They will enhance the democratic base and affect elections. And they will be more likely to vote as a block than homegrown variety Americans.

[shanny]

33. I think the delay

is to demonstrate he has a heart. He said he would deal with the issue with "heart" and this is his way of pretending he has one.

[riversedge]

34. Yes. To Trump keeping his promise is all that matters. It is all the vile trump supporters on cable

harp about. It is their only argument.

[elfin]

35. Thinking the same thing here. EOM

[MyNameIsKhan]

38. Unless it is passed VETO proofed which is possible is DACA is not coupled with border wall

[Nevernose]

40. The "leverage for border wall money" theory

Is believable.

I think it's also believable that he's got early dementia, and Bannon Etc put maybe a dozen ideas in his head that are rattling around, ideas that are reinforced by cheering at rallies.

Plus, Jeff Sessions really is just a plain racist asshole, and probably left the news conference so he could wank one out in his office real quick.