General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnd just like that, 800,000 people who were able to work and go to school here legally
are now not going to be able to. How many will have to quit their jobs now? Quit school? Go on the run?
Girard442
(6,070 posts)What are they going to do? Load them into boxcars?
Eko
(7,281 posts)to get them to Canada? This sounds like something out of Nazi Germany doesn't it? Insane.
atreides1
(16,075 posts)First they'll lock them in those private prisons that Sessions has stocks in, and then after about a year of dicking around, some will die under suspicious circumstances, the women will be sexually assaulted by the guard staff, and the children will be abused...and the National Archives will let ICE and CBP, destroy any documents pertaining to crimes committed by DHS personnel!!!
And once the private prisons have made their money off of the misery of these people, ICE will probably put them in boxcars and ship them to Mexico...
shraby
(21,946 posts)he doesn't like?
Ethnic minorities first? Then dissenters? What about the elderly "useless consumers"? He thinks he's God you know.
Igel
(35,300 posts)Their legal status was unchanged. But ICE was told "hands off" and employers were told that if they hired a Dreamer nobody would punish them for violating the law.
The first two letters in DACA stand for "deferred action". Deportation proceedings against Dreamers, right in the program's name, are simply postponed or delayed by executive discretion and decree.
MFM008
(19,806 posts)He's already shown us a number
of times that he's just a
loathsome piece of shit.
Cares about nothing.
msongs
(67,395 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Their immigration status was not impacted by the Obama executive order.
It gave them legal status to work and go to school here without being deported.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There was no change in their permanent legal status.
What DACA did was instruct DHS not to initiate deportation for those who fit the parameters (came to US before age 16, lived here for at least 5 years, high school student or graduate or military veterans, clean criminal record).
Eko
(7,281 posts)so you don't have to be nit picky. I know and many here know that there wasn't a change in their permanent legal status, that is why I put they would not be able to work or go to school. Happy now?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I just think there is some confusion about DACA out there.
It's a real tragedy that Congress was not able to get the DREAM Act (or something like it) to Obama's desk while he was POTUS.
mythology
(9,527 posts)It's actually pretty fundamental to why Trump can do this unilaterally. Whether or not DACA was doing good, it was always a tenuous approach because it wasn't codified into law.
I never said it gave them legal status as a citizen, only to be here and to work and go to school legally. My original post was "And just like that, 800,000 people who were here legally are now going to be illegal.
How many will have to quit their jobs now? Quit school? Go on the run?"
No where in that did I say they had legal status as a citizen, only that they were here legally, and they were. The law stated that they could be here if they followed certain criteria, or, they were legally allowed to be here. Dont conflate "legally" with "legal status as a citizen".
Response to Eko (Original post)
Eko This message was self-deleted by its author.
He just tossed the ball into the court of Congress. They have six months.
Initech
(100,064 posts)LeftInTX
(25,258 posts)I think they are supposed to be high school graduates or have military service.
I know one who is a teacher. She teaches at a private school because she can't get state certification, nevertheless she is a college graduate with a degree in education.
Igel
(35,300 posts)Because most of what we know is from advertising. It's not called "advertising," but that's what it is: We're presented with just the information that people want us to have to be able to make a (partially) informed choice.
What we do know is that they don't have a high crime rate.
A lot of them were high school students but as they've graduated the press has been "this one's going to college" and "this one's graduated college and working at this socially relevant job." We've heard about a few dozen out of 3/4 million.
For all we know, a majority are working in construction. Or education. Even the stats on Latinos doesn't help, because the statistics are for all Latinos as a whole, a sort of random sample, and this is a very specific, non-random set of Latinos.
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)Just that the white racist republicans don't think they are.
If you're not a possible pretend billionaire who name is on a high rise. You're on the list.
Just like his idol Putin, he wants to steal everything they can. If you have anything they can convert to their bank account, you're on the list.
Lord_at_War
(61 posts)[link:http://www.ezbordercrossing.com/the-inspection-experience/prior-criminal-offenses/crossing-canadian-border-with-a-dui/]
I was stupid enough to admit to a 10 yr old DUI, and was denied entry.
I told him to go on- and walked 7 miles to the nearest bus station to get back home.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)And there are a lot of them. Because of his petty, small minded vindictiveness against Obama, he has decided to destroy thousands of innocent lives. Hell is too good for him.
Vinca
(50,268 posts)Where I live, there is a shortage of primary care physicians. Putting aside the humanitarian aspect, it doesn't make sense to oust people we need. I'm sure this applies to many fields other than medicine, too.