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And just like that, 800,000 people who were able to work and go to school here legally (Original Post) Eko Sep 2017 OP
Three quarters of a million people. Girard442 Sep 2017 #1
Are we going to have an underground railroad Eko Sep 2017 #3
Don't give them any ideas!!! atreides1 Sep 2017 #5
And when does he decide to rescind the citizenship for all us regular American born people shraby Sep 2017 #2
Nobody's rescinding citizenship. Igel Sep 2017 #23
Who's surprised? MFM008 Sep 2017 #4
wonder what my latinos for trump neighbor will say about this tomorrow nt msongs Sep 2017 #6
DACA did not grant legal status oberliner Sep 2017 #7
sure it did. Eko Sep 2017 #9
No it didn't oberliner Sep 2017 #10
I updated the post Eko Sep 2017 #11
Fair enough oberliner Sep 2017 #12
It's not a nitpick mythology Sep 2017 #15
Yes, it is. Eko Sep 2017 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Eko Sep 2017 #8
No. janx Sep 2017 #13
I hope the god damn billionaires go fucking bankrupt. Initech Sep 2017 #14
Dreamers for the most part, aren't working in construction etc. LeftInTX Sep 2017 #18
We know precious little about the Dreamers. Igel Sep 2017 #22
We're all on the list Corgigal Sep 2017 #17
I just wanted to go on one last fishing trip w/ my uncle in Canada Lord_at_War Sep 2017 #19
I think this has to be one of the most disgusting, evil acts he has committed to date. smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #20
I really don't understand this. I heard there are 80 dreamers who are MDs. Vinca Sep 2017 #21

Eko

(7,281 posts)
3. Are we going to have an underground railroad
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:23 PM
Sep 2017

to get them to Canada? This sounds like something out of Nazi Germany doesn't it? Insane.

atreides1

(16,075 posts)
5. Don't give them any ideas!!!
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:31 PM
Sep 2017

First they'll lock them in those private prisons that Sessions has stocks in, and then after about a year of dicking around, some will die under suspicious circumstances, the women will be sexually assaulted by the guard staff, and the children will be abused...and the National Archives will let ICE and CBP, destroy any documents pertaining to crimes committed by DHS personnel!!!

And once the private prisons have made their money off of the misery of these people, ICE will probably put them in boxcars and ship them to Mexico...

shraby

(21,946 posts)
2. And when does he decide to rescind the citizenship for all us regular American born people
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:22 PM
Sep 2017

he doesn't like?
Ethnic minorities first? Then dissenters? What about the elderly "useless consumers"? He thinks he's God you know.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
23. Nobody's rescinding citizenship.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:07 AM
Sep 2017

Their legal status was unchanged. But ICE was told "hands off" and employers were told that if they hired a Dreamer nobody would punish them for violating the law.

The first two letters in DACA stand for "deferred action". Deportation proceedings against Dreamers, right in the program's name, are simply postponed or delayed by executive discretion and decree.

MFM008

(19,806 posts)
4. Who's surprised?
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:24 PM
Sep 2017

He's already shown us a number
of times that he's just a
loathsome piece of shit.
Cares about nothing.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. DACA did not grant legal status
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:34 PM
Sep 2017

Their immigration status was not impacted by the Obama executive order.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. No it didn't
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:43 PM
Sep 2017

There was no change in their permanent legal status.

What DACA did was instruct DHS not to initiate deportation for those who fit the parameters (came to US before age 16, lived here for at least 5 years, high school student or graduate or military veterans, clean criminal record).

Eko

(7,281 posts)
11. I updated the post
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:48 PM
Sep 2017

so you don't have to be nit picky. I know and many here know that there wasn't a change in their permanent legal status, that is why I put they would not be able to work or go to school. Happy now?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. Fair enough
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 10:52 PM
Sep 2017

I just think there is some confusion about DACA out there.

It's a real tragedy that Congress was not able to get the DREAM Act (or something like it) to Obama's desk while he was POTUS.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
15. It's not a nitpick
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 11:02 PM
Sep 2017

It's actually pretty fundamental to why Trump can do this unilaterally. Whether or not DACA was doing good, it was always a tenuous approach because it wasn't codified into law.

Eko

(7,281 posts)
16. Yes, it is.
Sun Sep 3, 2017, 11:12 PM
Sep 2017

I never said it gave them legal status as a citizen, only to be here and to work and go to school legally. My original post was "And just like that, 800,000 people who were here legally are now going to be illegal.
How many will have to quit their jobs now? Quit school? Go on the run?"
No where in that did I say they had legal status as a citizen, only that they were here legally, and they were. The law stated that they could be here if they followed certain criteria, or, they were legally allowed to be here. Dont conflate "legally" with "legal status as a citizen".

Response to Eko (Original post)

LeftInTX

(25,258 posts)
18. Dreamers for the most part, aren't working in construction etc.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 01:45 AM
Sep 2017

I think they are supposed to be high school graduates or have military service.

I know one who is a teacher. She teaches at a private school because she can't get state certification, nevertheless she is a college graduate with a degree in education.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
22. We know precious little about the Dreamers.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:04 AM
Sep 2017

Because most of what we know is from advertising. It's not called "advertising," but that's what it is: We're presented with just the information that people want us to have to be able to make a (partially) informed choice.

What we do know is that they don't have a high crime rate.

A lot of them were high school students but as they've graduated the press has been "this one's going to college" and "this one's graduated college and working at this socially relevant job." We've heard about a few dozen out of 3/4 million.

For all we know, a majority are working in construction. Or education. Even the stats on Latinos doesn't help, because the statistics are for all Latinos as a whole, a sort of random sample, and this is a very specific, non-random set of Latinos.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
17. We're all on the list
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 01:27 AM
Sep 2017

Just that the white racist republicans don't think they are.

If you're not a possible pretend billionaire who name is on a high rise. You're on the list.
Just like his idol Putin, he wants to steal everything they can. If you have anything they can convert to their bank account, you're on the list.

 

Lord_at_War

(61 posts)
19. I just wanted to go on one last fishing trip w/ my uncle in Canada
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 02:02 AM
Sep 2017

[link:http://www.ezbordercrossing.com/the-inspection-experience/prior-criminal-offenses/crossing-canadian-border-with-a-dui/]

I was stupid enough to admit to a 10 yr old DUI, and was denied entry.

I told him to go on- and walked 7 miles to the nearest bus station to get back home.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
20. I think this has to be one of the most disgusting, evil acts he has committed to date.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 06:30 AM
Sep 2017

And there are a lot of them. Because of his petty, small minded vindictiveness against Obama, he has decided to destroy thousands of innocent lives. Hell is too good for him.

Vinca

(50,268 posts)
21. I really don't understand this. I heard there are 80 dreamers who are MDs.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:15 AM
Sep 2017

Where I live, there is a shortage of primary care physicians. Putting aside the humanitarian aspect, it doesn't make sense to oust people we need. I'm sure this applies to many fields other than medicine, too.

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