DACA Works!

[MineralMan]

Work is the key word in that sentence. People who benefit from DACA work. They work hard. Many of them work jobs that most people don't much want to do, as well.

When Trump kicks them all out, there aren't going to be lines of people looking to replace them in those jobs. Nope. No way.

The people who would replace them are "too good" to work those jobs. They'd rather not work at all.

And there it is. Americans will miss DACA. They may not know it right now, but they'll miss all those people.

[ismnotwasm]

1. I always think of Home Depot

I don't think I've ever seen a white guy waiting in front for hours looking for day labor. White guys do the hiring though.

[MineralMan]

3. That's true, of course.

Some of those people waiting have green cards. Some don't. All are ready to work, though, and generally work hard for their money. I haven't hired any of them, myself, but I know people who have. They're generally willing to put in hard hours for any pay that is reasonable.

For general labor, a lot of people prefer to hire immigrant workers, legal or not. More bang for the buck.

[samnsara]

2. what the hell does trump mean by 'fix it'...is it broken?

[MineralMan]

4. I don't know what he means by that. It's a simple program, really.

People who were brought here as children get to stay here. They didn't come here on their own, nor did they have any choice. They grew up in this country. Why should they have to leave? It makes no sense.

[oberliner]

5. Many DREAMers have high-paying desirable jobs

It is a mistake to imply that they are all working low-wage undesirable jobs. That is just not true.

[MineralMan]

6. I said many, not all.

And many do have those jobs. Some, of course have jobs that pay well and require good skills. I did not say they didn't.

Many, however, do not have such jobs. They are still Dreamers. They are still here under DACA. That's why I used the qualifying word, "many." I choose my words carefully. I wish people would read them as carefully.

So, I went back and edited my post, boldfacing Many. Maybe it will get noticed that way.

[ProudLib72]

7. I'm not sure I like what this supposes

The argument supposes that, if reglr 'Muricans took those jobs, getting rid of DACA would be ok. It also supposes that the jobs these people have are menial, but that's not always true.

Microsoft urged Trump not to pull the plug on the program, saying 27 of its employees could be affected. Among them are software engineers, finance professionals and retail and sales associates, Microsoft said.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/tech/2017/08/31/tech-industry-prepares-new-trump-fight-over-daca-dreamer-protection-program/622897001/

[MineralMan]

8. The operant word is "MANY."

It's a qualifying word. It means something different than "ALL." That's why I used it.

[oberliner]

11. Except it is not true

Where are you getting this idea from?

[MineralMan]

13. Do you think that most of them have

desirable, high-paying jobs? Where are you getting that idea? Some do, no doubt, but not most.

[oberliner]

14. Well they all have to be HS graduates (or students) to qualify

So I am assuming that at least opens up some opportunities for better paying jobs.

You asserted that many of them have undesirable jobs - was there a source you used to make that claim?

[MineralMan]

15. Many is a simple word.

Many high school graduates who are citizens here have undesirable jobs these days.

Do you suppose that most DACA Dreamers have excellent jobs that are highly sought after? Some do, for sure, but many do not.

Many just means a large number of a group. What you define as many may not be the same as how I define it.

In this case, I meant a sizable percentage. Actually, there aren't any really good statistics about this that I could find. Maybe you've found something to share.

[oberliner]

16. Fair enough

I just wanted to make the point that I do not believe the DACA folks are generally people with those sorts of jobs.

[rzemanfl]

9. I am surprised Vladimir didn't tell his puppet to require the dreamers to pay for the education

they got here before they leave the country like the Soviets used to.

[Hoyt]

10. I agree. But according to white wingers, it is a way to provide higher paying jobs to Americans.

Besides, they only care about other white wingers.

Sadly, many white wingers -- being greedy souls -- believe this will improve their pay and job prospects, and it's true for "some on both sides."

[0rganism]

12. therefore it must be destroyed

whether by outright elimination or gradual undermining, that's between Congress and Trump. rule of thumb, though: if it's a successful federal program or policy, milk it for cash if possible or ruin it utterly if not.