Dem lawmaker on Clinton criticizing Sanders in new book: 'Don't go there'

[Donkees]

BY REBECCA SAVRANSKY - 09/06/17 07:42 AM EDT

Rep. Jared Huffman (D-Calif.) is pushing back against Hillary Clinton's comments blaming Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) for "paving the way" for President Trump's attack against her as "Crooked Hillary."

"Please Hillary, don't go there," Huffman tweeted.

"I supported you. Bernie showed restraint & class & ran aspirational campaign. Politics is rough sometimes."

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/349367-dem-lawmaker-on-clinton-criticizing-sanders-in-new-book-dont-go-there

[DURHAM D]

1. When is Hillary going to learn her place?

What does she think this is??? the 21st Century or something.

[NurseJackie]

5. If only she'd waited "EIGHT OR TWELVE YEARS" (as someone suggested yesterday).

Someone was to convince me that it just wasn't the right time for her to tell her story. Trying to convince me that it wasn't about "silencing" her. (LOL) Yeah, it was only about shutting her up for twelve years. (THERE'S A DIFFERENCE YOU SEE?!)

Well, you know what? Fuck that shit! Fuck anyone who suggests that Hillary should be silent or that she needs to "wait" to tell her story.

#LetHerSpeak
#ListenAndLearn
#ShowSomeRespect
#HillarySpeaksTheTruth

[leftofcool]

8. I don't even respond to the idiots any more

[Eliot Rosewater]

101. Beating up on Hillary is done a lot here, but that is not new.

Most who beat on her wont accomplish in 25 lifetimes what she does in a month.

[BrooklynTech]

123. No time to wait

Gotta strike while the dollars are hot.

[mythology]

18. She could learn more self-reflection

The evidence is clear Sanders didn't cause her to lose. Her poll numbers dropped after the second Comey announcement. If she never had the stupid email server, she would almost certainly be President today.

And the claim that criticism of her is sexist is more than a little offensive. To put it in context, would you be okay with people claiming that blaming Sanders is anti-Semitic? The world has a pretty long history of blaming Jewish people too.

[Perseus]

21. Sanders did not rally his base to support Hillary

and that made some difference, his support was weak, he could have done much more.

I am not into conspiracies, but I still think the man-child won because the electronic voting machines were hacked. The Republicans have been cheating since before G.W. Bush, but it was even bigger in 2000, and when the public sits on their hands and doesn't do anything, it is an inferred permission to continue cheating, if there is no accountability they will feel entitled to continue. So far they have gotten away with all the cheating, so why stop now?

[BeyondGeography]

32. Since when did the quality of one person's support decide a presidential election?

The answer is never and this fixation on Bernie is pretty embarrassing, IMO.

3rd parties definitely have an impact, but this time around Stein was something that should have been manageable. Bernie, otoh, campaigned for Hillary. It's not his fault that some of his more daft supporters didn't listen to him. He doesn't rate at all as a reason why Hillary lost.

[delisen]

82. Are you reading something into a brief passage in a

book that isn't there? I don't see any fixation on Sanders.

I assume you haven't read it because the book hasn't been released.

[BeyondGeography]

87. Are you reading the thread?

I was responding to a post, not the book.

[karynnj]

61. Hillary Clinton has had the honor of being the First Lady of the United Sttates, the twice elected

Senator for New York, the United States Secretary of State, and the nominee of the Democratic party in 2016. It is ridiculous to argue that anyone is asking her to "learn her place". I think she should consider the advise given.

The public, including I assume all or at least most of us, have seen only very limited excerpts from her book. Given her intelligence and the positions she has held, I would bet that when read in full, some of what she has written will be worth considering by future candidates. I also hope that she was not the one who chose the excerpts. Particularly the Bernie one is devisive and beneath her - and I suspect actually make it harder for her to move to a position of being a valued statesman for the party and for the issues important to her.

[geek tragedy]

72. It's not sexism to hold her to the same standard of leadership shown by Kerry and Gore after they

lost close elections, and refrained from dragging their primary opponents in order to settle old grudges.

Also, some of us remember when a certain candidate trashed the presumptive Democratic nominee in a doomed effort to defeat him in 2008.

[QC]

98. Yeah, McCain had a "lifetime of experience" but Obama only had "a speech he made in 2002."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-says-she-and-mccain-offer-experience-obama-offers-speeches/

[geek tragedy]

99. not to mention this gracious and dignified discourse

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/08/clinton-obama-not-winning_n_100763.html

“I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article “that found how Sen. Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.”

[QC]

100. And also not to mention the bit about staying in past California b/c that's when RFK got killed.

Such gracious, eirenic discourse!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/us/politics/24clinton.html?mcubz=3

[geek tragedy]

102. Clinton even did the whole "pal around with terrorists" thing--Sarah Palin plagiarized her

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128

The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group mentioned in the Obama stories.

"Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001. (Obama's ties to the radical group first surfaced last week in a Bloomberg News article.)

In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from Politico.com reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another former member of the radical group.

[QC]

104. That was a rough primary. This past one was gentle in comparison. n/t

[all american girl]

106. Hmmmm, when has Bernie quit trashing the Dems...he lost also...just saying

I'd so rather have the first woman of a major party write nd talk about her experiences running for president...lord knows we have heard from a lot of the white dudes...

[white_wolf]

114. Jesus Christ...She's a politician. Politicians get criticized.

She doesn't need you to defend her. If she's going to attack Sanders like she did in her book then she shouldn't be surprised when some people comment on it.

[Arazi]

2. Agreed 100%. Pissing all over Bernie and his supporters is crazy

We need them for 2018

[DetlefK]

6. Those are two entirely different ball-parks. Far, far away from each other.

This guy is making an argument that Hillary should not criticize Bernie because he personally was nice to her.

You are making the argument that we should make nice with the people who bashed the democratic candidate because the Democrats will need their votes.

Bernie =/= Bernie-Bros




This reminds me of the OP here on DU how the Bernie-voters who voted for Trump don't count as "Bernie-voters who voted for Trump" because Bernie never told them to vote for Trump.

[arthritisR_US]

12. I never got the impression that Bernie was nice to Hillary after

he lost to her. He was kicking and screaming all the way to the convention, unlike Hillary when she lost to Obama and was graciousness personified.

[Me.]

33. Could He Have Been More Reluctant & Grudging?

[NurseJackie]

51. Unlikely. And that attitude spread throughout the entirety of the General Election.

That's the kind of thing that happens when a person can't rise above their own hurt feelings and ego.

All I'm saying is that I totally understand that it's a difficult thing to do. Some can and some can't. It takes a special kind of person to be able to do that.

[Me.]

54. And That Wasn't Him

Am I wrong or didn't he also criticize Dems during the general itself?

[arthritisR_US]

58. He did. He was a bitter man and it showed.

[comradebillyboy]

59. He's never stopped criticizing Democrats. nt

[arthritisR_US]

97. No, he never has and we're supposed to be lauding his praise,

bending over yet again to win his favour. Seems like a one sided bargain to me

[arthritisR_US]

55. I don't think he could have.

[QC]

96. "graciousness personified"

Clinton Remark on Kennedy’s Killing Stirs Uproar

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton defended staying in the Democratic nominating contest on Friday by pointing out that her husband had not wrapped up the nomination until June 1992, adding, “We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.”

Her remarks were met with quick criticism from the campaign of Senator Barack Obama, and within hours of making them Mrs. Clinton expressed regret, saying, “The Kennedys have been much on my mind the last days because of Senator Kennedy,” referring to the recent diagnosis of Senator Edward M. Kennedy’s brain tumor. She added, “And I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/us/politics/24clinton.html?mcubz=3

[Arazi]

22. Lol, hilarious. Bernie Bernie Bros is exactly how its played

Here and everywhere else...

[LakeArenal]

37. What the heck....

I supported Bernie in the primary. Voted for Hillary.

Quit bashing us and quit bashing Bernie.. I have a couple reasons why Hillary Clinton lost voters. Not Bernie or his supporters. But I have never brought them up because it would be instantaneous pile on me. Besides we aren't supposed to keep rehashing the primary or the election.

Hillary Clinton was the most qualified person to ever run. Doesn't mean she is perfect Saint Hillary. Quit idolizing her and move on to the 2018 midterms.

All this crap really turns me and other Bernie Sanders supporters off. Or is that the intent here. Maybe there are trolls out there trying to divide us and Clinton's excerpts are doing just that.

Bernie Sanders is still a senator.. Hillary, as far as she says, in out of politics... Which one is more important in 2018?

A week before the election, Clinton was going to win in a landslide.. How is it that the loss is Sander's fault? Oh, and one more thing.... HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE. A lot of those votes, including mine, were B supporters giving Hillary Clinton the popular vote. You're welcome.. OH wait... Not appreciated...

[luvtheGWN]

43. Do you all remember Hillary talking about a

"vast rightwing conspiracy" way back in 1998 and getting criticized for it? Turns out she was totally 100% correct (from everything I've since read from several different sources). The internet greatly facilitated it. The outdated Electoral College sealed it.

As for Bernie's involvement in the election: In my "view from the north", Bernie was a one-noter, and was never able to explain how he could possibly make all his promises actually happen. I often wonder what would have happened if he had run as an independent....

[LakeArenal]

46. In my view from the north,

Bernie's message was the real democratic message. We'll never know if Clinton would have been able to keep any of those promises either. Based on the vast rightwing conspiracy that I agree did, does and will continue to exist.

[DetlefK]

83. Bernie Sanders is as much a Democrat as Trump is a Republican.

They are both essentially Independents.
Sanders used the Democratic Party as his vehicle for a presidential run.
Trump used the Republican Party as his vehicle for a presidential run.

Both can't stop sniping that "their" party should radically change their platform.

[LakeArenal]

85. I don't see your point.

I agree they used the parties as a vehicle.. At the time I believe, Clinton thought it was fine and appreciated a hard fought primary.
I don't see Bernie sniping. He has been chosen to be part of the party by the DNC as someone who is part and can contribute to the run up to 2018.

[NurseJackie]

10. Nobody gets special treatment.

If they show up, they show up.
If they don't, they don't.
You can't force anyone to vote.
In the end, it's their choice. They can vote or they can pout.

All I'm saying is that voting is for mature adults. Pouting isn't.

[Arazi]

24. You want their votes or not? I do. We desperately need them

But feel free to carry on castigating these voters. It's so winning and "mature". I'm sure you have a "mature" gif on hand to go along. Har de har har

[NurseJackie]

31. Nope! Non-and-Stein voters can go fuck themselves. No rewards...

... for their vanity. Nothing for their egos.

We desperately need them

They bring nothing to the table and they're not even RELIABLE voters. They're fickle voters. Maybe they'll vote, maybe not. No matter WHAT you do for them, it's never enough, so WHY BOTHER! Fuck them!

But feel free to carry on castigating these voters.

Thank you. I intend on so doing. For the life of me, I cannot understand WHY anyone would want to defend non-or-Stein voters... or why anyone would argue that we need to cater to their whims and kowtow to their demands.

It's so winning and "mature". I'm sure you have a "mature" gif on hand to go along. Har de har har

Sorry, that makes no sense. I have no idea what you're trying to say. Can you elaborate, please?

[Adrahil]

11. But it's okay for them to piss on HRC and the DNC, right?

Sick of the double standard.

[arthritisR_US]

15. Yep, it's funny how that works...

....not!

[Arazi]

27. Is Hillary running again? Did she run a flawless campaign? No errors from the DNC?

Bernie's been selected to run the Dem outreach by our Dem leadership for a reason.

His message is resonating with a shitload of people. I for one want those votes. Do you?

[Adrahil]

41. Yep, I want them. Do they want mine?

Or am I just filthy corporatist third-way Hillary-loving scum?

[Arazi]

47. We ALL want to get rid of the orange scum in the WH

That will take a coalition. Focus

[Heartstrings]

74. Yes! Focus! Midterms!

Geesh people!

[delisen]

14. Opinion about election events are not "pissing"

on a human being.

I am interested in Hillary Clinton's opinion.

If others are not interested they can ignore her opinion.

If others hold a different opinion they can express it.

Anyone who will not vote or work for a Democratic candidate of their choice in 2018 based upon Hillary Clinton's opinion about the course of the election of 2018, has got issues I cannot help them with and a vision for America very different from mine.

[Arazi]

30. Good. Then Bernies opinion on the state of the Dem party is equally valid

Everybody gets to voice their opinion. No problem with that

[Me.]

35. It Would Be If He Was A Dem

But he isn't

[Arazi]

39. He's part of the Dem leadership team. Fuck this "he's not one of us" bullshit

FFS, we need his Dem-leaning Indies. This castigating of his supporters will destroy our chances of winning. They're already much too slim already with election fraud, Russian meddling, voter suppression, gerrymandering etc

Wake the fuck up

[Me.]

40. What's The Saying?

If someone tells you who they are, believe them? I believe him and nothing you say is going to make him a Dem. So if anyone needs to wake up it's people who keep insisting he's something he isn't.

[Adrahil]

44. I'd be happy to stop "castigating" them if they would return the favor.

I am not interested in debasing myself or my party to beg for the support of people who don;t seem to respect our party or our leadership.

This is a two-way street.

[Arazi]

48. It's called politics. If you're expecting a pleasure cruise then get off the boat now

We need allies and we need to build coalitions.

[delisen]

80. If Sanders Dem-leaning Indies are not inspired to

by now on their own to get out vote against the

Trump/Republican/Putin agenda-which is totally on display- no amount of pleading on our part is going to motivate them.

We have a party to build and we don't have time to waste on fence-sitters.

If you are sitting on the fence in September, 2017-you are either going to still be sitting there in November, 2018 or maybe getting down on the wring side.

[delisen]

53. Sure Nader was free to voice his opinion of

the Democratic Party too.

[greeny2323]

3. The party was attacked

The difference this time was not attacks on particular candidates, but directed attacks against the legitimacy of the Democratic party itself, long after the party officially chose its nominee.

[delisen]

4. Huffman "schooling" Clinton on "politics is rough"

is very very funny. Clinton has decades of rough politics under her belt.

Please Hillary shut up?

Jared, please don't go there. Opinions you disagree with hurt sometimes but if you try, you will find that discouraging speech is not the way to go.

[BeyondGeography]

42. Right. Someone needs to evolve.

And it isn't Huffman.

[geek tragedy]

73. as an actual, current Democratic elected official he has every right to object to people

who want to divide the party.

[leftofcool]

7. Sit down and shut up little lady

Fuck you Huffman!

[Kentonio]

86. Oh for goodness sake

So no man can ever criticize or offer advice to a woman or else they're automatically a rampant sexist. Ok then..

[wasupaloopa]

9. We hear, Hillary should stfu, Hillary supporters should stfu, well that ain't going to happen.

The story of the 2016 primary and general election will be told. There is a lot of bitterness still felt and it can't and won't be stuffed way down inside and forgotten about.

[LakeArenal]

38. We hear, Sanders should stfu, Sanders supporters should stfu, well that ain't going to happen.

There is a lot of bitterness still felt and it can't and won't be stuffed way down inside and forgotten about.

[Tavarious Jackson]

71. Nope it cant

I will never support and indy or a temp dem

[sprinkleeninow]

108. A temporary democrat! 👀

[Kentonio]

88. Oh you think you guys have a lot of bitterness?

The people who actually got their candidate a shot at the presidency? The people who ignored us stupid progressive lefty know-nothings when we warned about the potential outcome of that matchup? The people who the second the primary was over decided it was open season on anyone and anything even remotely Bernie related?

That's cute.

[Weekend Warrior]

13. Get in line and shut up Clinton.

The rich white males are speaking.

I wonder if he was paid?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1251737771#post4

[jimlup]

16. I don't want this scab to be opened but I have some very definite opinions about this

And while I voted for her in the general I disagree with her and agree with Representative Huffman.

[Duppers]

19. +2

[AikenYankee]

25. ....

[Paladin]

17. Go piss up a rope, Rep. Hoffman. Hillary's correct about Bernie and his followers. (nt)

[Kentonio]

89. We love you too.

[Expecting Rain]

20. If Rep. Huffman is correct--and politics is rough--then certain people...

should be able to endure a little truth-telling done in tha gentlest and least inflamitory tones possible.

Or are we embracing double-standards now?

[AikenYankee]

28. ....

[delisen]

60. Huffman is a hoot. Can't take the heat of

someone's political opinion and at the same time instructs he on how she needs to.

What country has he been living in for the last 30 years, or what planet.

[comradebillyboy]

65. "Or are we embracing double-standards now?"

Now? It's nothing new around here.

[disillusioned73]

23. Good for Huffman..

maybe if more people in positions of power (superdelegates, hello?) express their opinions like this instead of bowing to the establishment, the party might be able to move on from the disaster that was 2016.. but I won't hold my breathe

[AikenYankee]

26. +1

[no_hypocrisy]

29. This is begging the question, but . . . .

I wonder what HRC's opinion about Sanders would have been if he both won the democratic nomination and the general election.

Would his words and actions have permanently damaged the democratic party?

[leftstreet]

78. !!

Well there's a good question

[PatrickforO]

34. Indeed. And refighting the primary is a bad idea.

We need to focus on winning future elections. This means getting rid of gerrymandering, voter suppression and the electoral college.

It also means learning to talk effectively and compellingly about our vision to solve kitchen table issues. People worry about getting laid off and losing their health insurance, mostly. Older people worry about Social Security and Medicare mostly. Let's try talking about those things.

The other thing is words matter. Often how you say something is more important that what you are saying. Republicans have mastered this. For instance, they say 'tax reform,' they mean big tax cuts for rich people and corporations. When they say 'entitlements,' they mean Social Security and Medicare, which are earned benefits. We pay for them all the time we work. When we say 'single payer,' it doesn't poll as well as 'Medicare for all Americans.' That polls at 54% favorable last I saw.

We're so close to losing what democracy we had left after Reagan and the Bushes. Trump is one nuke away from declaring martial law and suspending all elections. Charles Koch has a huge, well-funded machine that attacks any social safety nets and our power to push back on a thousand fronts. Koch and his radical libertarians want to impose the living hell of unrestrained capitalism on us.

Let's get our shit together, please, and quit sniping at each other over a primary that happened last year.

[George II]

36. Did he read the WHOLE book or just the snippets that have been selectively doled out...

...by the media?

It's a book of several hundred pages, I think we've seen parts of only two pages so far.

[BeyondGeography]

56. That's a good point, one that both sides should take into account

The book sounds like a pretty balanced assessment, much moreso than many of the threads here, especially those that point fingers everywhere except at the candidate herself. For instance:

"I think it's fair to say that I didn't realize how quickly the ground was shifting under all our feet," she writes. "I was running a traditional presidential campaign with carefully thought-out policies and painstakingly built coalitions, while Trump was running a reality TV show that expertly and relentlessly stoked Americans' anger and resentment."

Clinton makes frank admissions about the places she fell short. She acknowledges it was bad "optics" to deliver paid speeches to Wall Street banks after the financial meltdown last decade. She says her comment during a CNN town hall about putting coal miners out of business was the misstep "I regret the most." And, as she has before, Clinton calls her decision to use a private email server during her time at the State Department as "dumb."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/06/politics/hillary-clinton-what-happened/index.html

[BannonsLiver]

128. It's not just the media that is doling it out

It's the publisher. When a book like this is coming up you release the parts that generate buzz for the book. This is just good business. When all is said and done the majority of the book will be found to have only a small part that could be considered critical of Sanders which is why some of the reactions here are ridiculous.

[GoCubsGo]

45. Too late, you patronizing jackass.

She already went there. And, good for her for speaking the truth. Yeah, politics is rough, sometimes. But, it seems like it's you, Mr. Huffman, who can't take the heat. Why should Hillary continue to kow tow to a guy who didn't even have the decency to join the party for which he wanted the presidential nomination? Why are you so worried about it? Are you afraid of threats from the handful of vocal Bernie zealots?

[nini]

49. yea.. shut up woman!

How dare you write about how you feel and what you saw and encountered from all sides?

Get back in the kitchen and STFU.

[haveahart]

50. Go where the F**k you want to Hillary. You earned the right.

[SaschaHM]

52. Bernie ran an aspirational campaign, I'll give him that.

However, Huffman should realize that "restraint and class" are not words used to describes candidates that call their opponents a) unqualified for the presidency b) had to be talked off the ledge after they lost and c) who's supporters booed at the mention of her named during the convention.

[Shoonra]

57. Please, Hillary, stop ....

Politics is rough. The campaign for the very tip-top of the greased pole is always gonna be rougher and tougher, and very probably dirtier, than any other political campaign. Very very few get the prize without some trauma and ugliness.

An inside look at Hillary's campaign is interesting and instructive but it seems now that Hillary has brought herself down to whining about people whose primary sin was failing to recognize her divine right to have both the nomination and the election effortlessly and without any competition.

This sort of attitude does not make Hillary look gallant in defeat. Instead it makes us wonder if the election had been a choice between egomaniacs. This does not make Hillary look appealing ... as a future candidate or as an elder stateman or simply as a person.

[riderinthestorm]

62. +1 nt

[MrsCoffee]

63. No.

[nini]

75. Fuck this shit

What kind of crap is this? This is the same garbage thrown at her for 30 years.. SHE looks bitter, SHE is needs to shut, SHE ...

SHE has always been held to this impossible standard by not just the right but some 'Democrats' too. Let's get real if this book was written by a man that 'stop' comment wouldn't have been made.

This is the garbage that makes me crazy about some of the left. They can't see their own misogyny and sanctimonious attitudes towards women and minorities. I'm gonna call this shit out every chance I get now. God dammit we should be beyond telling a woman she can't say what's on her mind.

I'm surprised that books isn't more brutal than it is. She has way more self control than I ever will.

[Kentonio]

91. She can say whatever she wants

But if she expects that to have no effect on her reputation then she's not being realistic. People don't like a sore loser, and they really don't like when someone does damage to the unity of the party at exactly the time we need to heal old wounds not re-open them. Of course she can say whatever she wants, but she'll also be held accountable like anyone else.

[nini]

95. Sore Loser??

Facts are facts. She has a right to be a bit frustrated from being bashed by her own side after taking it form the repukes all these years.

"they really don't like when someone does damage to the unity of the party " Tell this to the person she was talking about. THIS is exactly the crap I'm talking about. Someone can continually bash the party and it's ok.. She speaks of the frustration and she's evil.

[Kentonio]

117. Who said anything about evil?

She's a grown adult, a multimillionaire and a former US Senator. Sorry if I don't consider getting her feelings hurt in what was actually a very gentle primary to be particularly important. True leaders take disappointment on the chin and act in a way most likely to advance their cause. If her cause is helping the Democratic Party then writing this didn't do that.

[nini]

118. Hurting the party?

That's your opinion and one I think is BS.

My opinion is those who actually are trying to hurt the party need to get called on the carpet.

[Kentonio]

119. The party is many different groups

All of whom think they know what is really feasible, moral and the right course to take. Obviously they cannot be all right, but they all have to believe the party represents them or else they won't vote for us. If you think a condescending lecture about hurting the party is going to magically convince people that your group is right and theirs is wrong, then you're very much mistaken. Either we accept that not everyone agrees on everything but everyone has an important part to play regardless, or we lose again next time.

[BainsBane]

76. That's some serous projection

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It doesn't make her look good? To you, who insists her audacity in offering any criticism toward someone who has attacked her repeatedly signals feelings of "divine right."

We have heard nothing but criticisms of Hillary, the Party,and Democratic voters. We have been told we had no right to as much as disagree with those attacks, that doing so was thin-skinned and divisive. Now those who made the attacks insist hey never be subject to any criticism whatsoever. THAT is imperious. THAT points to double standards. That demonstrates a view that some are superior to others, a view that as been at the of everything over the past two years.

If Clinton's criticisms are egomaniacal, what do you call Bernie and co's constant recriminations about the primary?

Posts like yours demonstrate exactly why Hillary should not have held her tongue last year.

And fortunately, she doesn't have to concern herself with looking good to people like you. She's not running for office anymore.

[delisen]

84. Fundraising-Clinton raised lots for Dems. Hope

Sanders would do same-but am not seeing it.

[BainsBane]

90. No

And Turner has pledged to use Our Revolution funds to back Republicans.

[zentrum]

94. ++1000

[R B Garr]

64. Wrong. She should have "gone there" a long time ago.

This is long overdue.

[BainsBane]

67. Exactly.

[BainsBane]

66. "Class and Restraint?"

[zentrum]

68. It's as if ...

....the Primary was not supposed to operate like a Primary.

I thought in Primaries, candidates always critique each other, explain how they are different.

Martin O'Malley never gained national traction but his critique of HRC was even tougher than Bernie's.

The entire purpose of the Primary is to allow the voter to see the differences.

But I guess we weren't supposed to have a Primary. We were just supposed to crown a single unchallenged candidate.

Weird how angry some Dems are that we actually had a normal Primary process of debates and examination instead of a crowning.

[Kentonio]

92. Yup

[geek tragedy]

69. Yeah, this isn't a fight Clinton is going to win in the 2017 Democratic party. nt

[Heartstrings]

70. Midterms, Midterms, Midterms!

I have mixed thoughts based on this tweet...one thing this book excerpt doesn't help is to galvanize a party that needs unification against a common goal, not rehash old wounds! And it seems like those "old wounds" keep resurfacing on an almost daily basis here on du. The shoulda, coulda, woulda's are in the past we need to move forward, not back! This is a battle being fought between us and there is no easy, nor right or wrong, answer to rectify a past event....we all have our opinions as to what transpired. To keep mulling over them is wasted energy that needs to be channeled into our future....and currently that future, first and foremost, consists of the Midterms!

Whatever "party" Bernie associates himself with, he's still on our side no matter what letter comes before his name, imo....

Personally, I wish this book had not come out now, I see what its contents are stirring up already....and that could have waited a few years. Certainly not its intent, I hope, but nonetheless it's happening and playing right into our oppositions agenda.

Oh, and I voted Bernie in the primary and Hillary in the GE....would have loved a Clinton/Sanders ticket but......that's water under the bridge and one of my daughter's favorite sayings is "build a bridge and get over it"....I'm over it and concentrating on removing Paul Ryan and Scott Walker from my state, and all of your lives at Midterms!

Randy Bryce, Randy Bryce, Randy Bryce!

[LakeArenal]

79. Randy Bryce, Randy Bryce, Randy Bryce

Peace sister.

[sprinkleeninow]

111. Recently got an email/letter

from the Randy Bryce campaign and it was signed by a Susan Sarandon.

[LakeArenal]

121. Your point?

[sprinkleeninow]

124. I've been getting mail from Bryce and attempting to sort out who's who.

And what's what.

I make contributions to enough of people countrywide. It took me aback after reading a missive from his campaign that was signed by Sarandon. I'm aware of her rep and am leery of her having an endorsement of someone. That's all. Sorry.

I usually consider both/all Isides of the coin in rendering judgment on most everything. I'm not familiar with Bryce.

[LakeArenal]

130. So guilt by association?

Reasearch Randy Bryce Randy Bryce Randy Bryce. He has a great message. He's the first exciting candidate to come on the scene in years.
Just because you don't like Susan Sarandon has nothing to do with Randy. Up to the last election, Sarandon was a respected liberal voice. She's trying to be relevant again. She has her own agenda. Don't confuse it with his.

[sprinkleeninow]

131. Oy veh, Gefilte Fish.

I accessed a twit link to Bryce last nite and there are numerous comments sharing my 'questioning' if you will, his allowing Sarandon lending her voice to his campaign.

I have been receiving ongoing emails from 'him', his camp. And read them. I haven't discounted him. Yet. Just sayin'. Okay now?

Jets need coolin' all the way 'round.

I haven't uttered, "Offa my case an' outta my face" yet....

[LakeArenal]

132. Well, and Egads, stuffed fish to you.

Yes, jets need cooling. But one of the sure fire ways to start and argument around here is to throw Susan Sarandon's name into a thread and it can turn that thread into a whole new direction.

My jets are cool, it's your jets I was worried about.. Connecting the first decent candidate to a fame seeking political actress is questionable indeed. That's why Hearstrings asked for a screen shot.. I see now you were questioning not accusing.

You say you're cool, I believe you.

[sprinkleeninow]

133. Just so ya know--

I pm'd Heartstrings and we're Copacabana. I mean copasetic. We had a nice chitchat. So yeah, Ima cool.

I had already deleted the S.S. email in discussion, (getting deluged with those asking for 'donate now!) but did a search and got linked to a tweeter thread,'Randy Bryce'.

Others posted comments on perhaps the same email I rec'd. They questioned it also as to why he let that happen. I was told it may have been a fake bot generating this email. What do I know.

We're looking at dumb irma paying a visit and i yam not a happy camper presently.

Behave now and don't make me come over there! 😆

~sprink

💙🇺🇸🗽

[Heartstrings]

122. Would love to see a screenshot of that endorsement

[sprinkleeninow]

125. I may have deleted it.

Will check.

[WhiteTara]

77. Bernie spent as much time as he could bashing Hillary

during the primaries.

[Kentonio]

93. Oh please, he never even took his gloves off.

If you want to know what Bernie on the attack looks like, go watch some videos on Youtube of him eviscerating Republicans. The few light attacks on Hillary were nothing, and came long after David Brock began his dirty work.

[BainsBane]

81. The book is it print, to be released next week

Apparently that lawmaker doesn't understand how publishing works. It's not a tweet.

I think it's well past time for some truth telling. Her chief mistake was in not doing it two years ago.

[sprinkleeninow]

109. Just thinking same. What if she threw 'caution' to the wind

are called everything like she saw it. Not holding back.

Would that have been a plus in her favor?

She recently said what her demeanor could have been when the rebublican presidential candidate was dragon-breath breathing down her back during that debate.

In hindsight, it may have helped. OR, had a really further negative effect.

I feel Comey's announcement on her did the most % of damage.

[BainsBane]

113. Yes, and she said Obama held her back from criticizing Sanders

so as not to alienate his base.

[sprinkleeninow]

115. Yeah, so I heard.

Missteps/mistakes were made in judgment calls.

We're near distraught Hillary is not our leader.

This past election process was a mess in all ways, shapes and forms.

Going forward.....

[beachjustice]

103. now is not the time for democrats to make enemies with themselves and likeminded folks

[all american girl]

105. Why oh why do men feel the need to tell a woman what to do

Haven't they learn anything? Bernie could say all the trash he wanted about Hillary, and now is saying all they trash about the dems, and we are suppose to sit there and take? I think not. He is a big boy, he should be able to take the criticisms and reflect about his roll in the crap he helped create.

So to all the boys out there, with a public voice, just STFU...the rest of us are tired of your little feelings.

[niyad]

107. and yet another, "sit down and shut up, woman" from a male. yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[Blue_Tires]

110. "restraint"?

if you say so...

[liquid diamond]

112. She will not be silenced.

[Joe941]

116. wise words.

[nini]

126. Man scolding is so annoying

He earned the right to say whatever she wants.

[arthritisR_US]

127. Her book isn't the problem p, his misogyny is.

[still_one]

129. No problem when books, commentators, and speeches expressed their views on Hillary's "missteps",

but by god, if the "little women", (sarcasm), dares to present her perspective, "heaven forbid"

This is the prefect example of the double standard bullshit that has and is occurring

.