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Will be going to North Dakota today to discuss tax reform and tax cuts. We are the highest taxed nation in the world - that will change.
3:47 AM - 6 Sep 2017
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(135,823 posts)rurallib
(62,406 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,789 posts)It seems to me, from other charts I've seen, the higher taxed countries on that list enjoy a higher level of happiness among their citizens.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)Thunderbeast
(3,406 posts)Most middle-class families devote a huge proportion of savings toward college for their kids.
HuskyOffset
(888 posts)What's important is how happy wealthy people are. Us serfs don't count.
Phoenix61
(17,002 posts)When people know they will have access to food, shelter, and health care they are happier. Interestingly, people in very poor areas of the world who live in communities with very strong social bonds also report being very happy. There's something to be said for feeling "we are all in this together."
not fooled
(5,801 posts)as this country continues its slide into banana-republic oligarchy: highly variable, often sketchy access to the necessities of life coupled with high degrees of social fragmentation and isolation.
And that's not an act of dog or inevitability--starting with that evil old bastard raygun, the pukes have been pushing this society on us.
So, turns out a neoliberal paradise doesn't work out well for the peasantry. Who woulda thunk it???
usaf-vet
(6,181 posts)and we still need roads, police and fire protection, schools for kids and so on and so on.
Who is going to fill the tax void when the rich aren't paying?
OF COURSE THEY WILL EXPECT US TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.
ProfessorPlum
(11,256 posts)iluvtennis
(19,849 posts)maddiemom
(5,106 posts)The average American taxpayer is too busy with jobs, family and, increasingly, just making ends meet, to have time to pay attention. This is not confined to the less well-educated. I've been amazed to learn how many college -educated wage earners have no idea of all the loopholes available to the wealthy, that many big corporations pay no taxes, or even that what would be an obscene income tax bracket to THEM (say ninety percent), applies only after a certain high income that they'd be delighted to make. I won't even start on taxes on capital gains vs. wages/salary. I do believe, as in my own case, retirement and grown children allow more time to reflect on the inequities and to point them out to their friends and families: at least SOMETHING seems to be happening to be making the general public more aware of this long-standing right wing lie.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)that statement is really good! Where are his tax records, anyway?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Even republicans know it's not true because that is why they hate Europe so much. They are always telling us that they don't want to become like Europe because all their income will be taken away for taxes. He's such a disgusting liar - it's a disgrace!
not fooled
(5,801 posts)is to have their prejudices and faux-fomented misconceptions reinforced.
Facts, schmacts.
TomVilmer
(1,832 posts)I live in Denmark, and our government uses those numbers to rip our welfare system apart. It is true that USA does not have the worlds highest taxes, but neither does Denmark. The calculations can be done in so many ways ass seen here with OECD as source:
1 Total tax burden without corrections
2 Total tax burden adjusted for taxable transfers m.v.
3 Total tax burden adjusted for requirements for fiscal sustainability
4 Total tax burden adjusted for taxable transfers and fiscal sustainability (2 + 3)
5 Total tax burden corrected for Factor Income
6 Total tax burden adjusted for taxable transfers and fiscal sustainability + BFI (2 + 3 + 5)
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All of these calculations puts USA in the bottom, since it compares only to EU countries - and none has Denmark in the top. What your "president" might have heard, is that the USA has the highest statutory corporate tax rate of the G20 countries - but those numbers can also be read different.
sandensea
(21,624 posts)Because apart from Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid, we in the U.S. are practically on our own as far as social protections.
If you're doing well or has family who is, you're sitting pretty (more or less); but for the 40% who have no assets, and another 40% who have very little, life can be frightening. Come rain or shine though, that 20%+ is deducted from one's paycheck - plus health insurance, which is hundreds a month for something that only rarely covers you.
And heaven help you if you have little ones that would like to go to college. Megabucks - unless you don't mind them settling for an unaccredited podunk U from which they'll almost certainly never find gainful employment.
It certainly didn't have to be this way, as rich as the U.S. is. But the John Birchers figured out how to keep the voters fighting each other over petty ethnic, cultural, or opinion-based differences.
I gotta hand it to them: if you can con people into giving up so much just by getting them to obsess over abortion and gay guys who need a wedding cake, that takes talent.
TomVilmer
(1,832 posts)I just had a couple of years with blood clots and cancer diagnoses. I was hospitalized in Norway and in Denmark, and got my body poked with all those heavy scanners. First class treatments, which did not cost me anything at all -and I am totally free now from all illnesses.
sandensea
(21,624 posts)Every blessing and All the Best to you and yours!
TomVilmer
(1,832 posts)Shoonra
(520 posts)So it turns out that Americans are not the most highly taxed citizens. Denmark and Belgium and Finland burden their citizens with taxes nearly twice as heavy as the USA. And here's the rub, Denmark, Belgium, Finland - and most of the other countries on that list - are not even trying to maintain formidable armies and missile systems, and Denmark, Belgium and Finland are so seldom hit by hurricanes .....
TomVilmer
(1,832 posts)-and we are about to double that cost. Denmark are now number five in cost per capita among the NATO countries, below USA, Norway, UK and France. But the taxes in Denmark are also paying for much better welface and health, than USA does.
TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)Maybe, but there are other natural hazards which require spend
For instance, the European 'low countries' have had to create and maintain an extensive system of flood defenses.
They're small countries in terms of population, but they face big environmental challenges.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)moondust
(19,972 posts)how the hell are the poor multimillionaires supposed to become billionaires without tax cuts? We cannot keep punishing them with taxes! Sheesh.